On your advice, Ron, I just did, with Audacity. It sounds like the album version to me.
As with Ron, I invite others to try it too.
rhyeking
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Not sure where this discussion is going. It's nothing to do with anything being done "right". That isn't a vintage mix - it's so obvious from listening to it. Comparing it to a standalone mix of FHLI is doesn't prove or disprove anything - we're talking about them taking an instrumental vocal mix and basically pasting it onto the end.... the actual vocal isn't going to sound any different to the album version if mixed appropriately, it just won't have any instrumentation beneath it therefore creating a clean ending.
I'm sure vintage stand alone mixes existed for every track they've produced - that doesn't mean they still have them or if they do, that they utilized them. Why did they originally use the album version of Tenement Funster on Queens' First EP etc etc? Do you think they dug out a stand alone mix and also got Ludwig to remaster it just for this compilation? No chance.
If you believe it's a fully original stand alone version of the track - it's fine. Honestly! lol But it quite clearly ISN'T.
I'm sure vintage stand alone mixes existed for every track they've produced - that doesn't mean they still have them or if they do, that they utilized them. Why did they originally use the album version of Tenement Funster on Queens' First EP etc etc? Do you think they dug out a stand alone mix and also got Ludwig to remaster it just for this compilation? No chance.
If you believe it's a fully original stand alone version of the track - it's fine. Honestly! lol But it quite clearly ISN'T.
rhyeking
If the "Black Queen" finale still sounds like the album when the clean version of FHLI is added at the correct point, does that not prove it was neither remixed nor pasted on? If it were remixed, it would sound different. If it were pasted, it would sound edited, even with FHLI.
No, having done this test, I'm convinced this is likely how it appears on the master.
With one exception. It's possible the original performance had Freddie and Roger continue playing after the point their instruments are dropped out of the album mix. However, as that was not part of the track, nor intended to be, so removing it is faithful to the original.
I honestly feel what we have is a case of our ears playing tricks on us. The instruments vanishing leaves us to hear the last vocal part all by itself, which we have not heard that way before, as FHLI's intro is there on the album. Unsupported, the vocals sound weird.
Anyway, I'm repeating myself and I think we're going in circles of "yes it is," "no it's not," so I'm going to leave this thread alone for a while, unless something new comes up. It is fun discussing this stuff, though.
No, having done this test, I'm convinced this is likely how it appears on the master.
With one exception. It's possible the original performance had Freddie and Roger continue playing after the point their instruments are dropped out of the album mix. However, as that was not part of the track, nor intended to be, so removing it is faithful to the original.
I honestly feel what we have is a case of our ears playing tricks on us. The instruments vanishing leaves us to hear the last vocal part all by itself, which we have not heard that way before, as FHLI's intro is there on the album. Unsupported, the vocals sound weird.
Anyway, I'm repeating myself and I think we're going in circles of "yes it is," "no it's not," so I'm going to leave this thread alone for a while, unless something new comes up. It is fun discussing this stuff, though.
Jimmy Dean
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rhyeking wrote:
I have to wait till May to get my copy, living in Canada, but it's good to have another thing to look forward to in addition to the Deluxe Editions. *****************************************************************
Rhye, I, too, am from Canada. If you're waiting to get the deluxe editions over here, you may as well get them from Amazon.co.uk, as it is a cheaper alternative to getting it at any HMV, Futureshop, Best Buy or even amazon.ca.... With shipping, each set will cost less than 20$CDN (no tax) - when they release them here, it may go for as much as 29.99+tax depending where in Canada you live. Remember, 2 versions will be available - a standard and a "deluxe" - standard will likely start at 14.99 and deluxe might start at 23.99 (if we're lucky).
In the UK - they don't seem to charge that much more for a double or triple disc set (for deluxe albums) - pricing seems to be set at the price of an album (8-9 pounds) plus cost to produce the additional disc (s). In Canada and the US, we normally price per disc included in the set, regardless of whether it's a deluxe version, double disc album, or a box set.
To avoid any customs charges - duty, brokerage, etc... keep each order a relatively low amount before shipping - normally any order @ 50$ once converted into CDN (roughly 30 pounds) or less, will stay below the radar. So don't buy any more than 3 at a time.
You'll get it sooner and for less.
But for deep cuts, GH1 and GH2 (if you plan to get those 2 for completion purposes) may come to less if you wait for it over here - those are expensive in the UK (at about the same as what the deluxe versions go for).
rhyeking wrote:
I have to wait till May to get my copy, living in Canada, but it's good to have another thing to look forward to in addition to the Deluxe Editions. *****************************************************************
Rhye, I, too, am from Canada. If you're waiting to get the deluxe editions over here, you may as well get them from Amazon.co.uk, as it is a cheaper alternative to getting it at any HMV, Futureshop, Best Buy or even amazon.ca.... With shipping, each set will cost less than 20$CDN (no tax) - when they release them here, it may go for as much as 29.99+tax depending where in Canada you live. Remember, 2 versions will be available - a standard and a "deluxe" - standard will likely start at 14.99 and deluxe might start at 23.99 (if we're lucky).
In the UK - they don't seem to charge that much more for a double or triple disc set (for deluxe albums) - pricing seems to be set at the price of an album (8-9 pounds) plus cost to produce the additional disc (s). In Canada and the US, we normally price per disc included in the set, regardless of whether it's a deluxe version, double disc album, or a box set.
To avoid any customs charges - duty, brokerage, etc... keep each order a relatively low amount before shipping - normally any order @ 50$ once converted into CDN (roughly 30 pounds) or less, will stay below the radar. So don't buy any more than 3 at a time.
You'll get it sooner and for less.
But for deep cuts, GH1 and GH2 (if you plan to get those 2 for completion purposes) may come to less if you wait for it over here - those are expensive in the UK (at about the same as what the deluxe versions go for).
Adam Baboolal
I believe Rhyeking is correct in MOTBQ. If I dropped out instruments from my mix of a song to leave only a set of vocals like that at the end, it may very well sound tacked on. However, in context with all the instrumentation, it will always sound far more pleasing to the ear. Also, having listened to the Deep Cuts mix, it sounds perfectly natural.
dowens
I love the new re-masters. Being a US fan and having all of the Hollywood re-masters, I can easily tell a difference and have enjoyed listening to the first five albums again. I think it's great to have new pictures in the albums too.
I love the bonus stuff too. I hope Queen decides to add more to future E.P.'s though. 40 years is a great celebration and it would be nice to have more. It's interesting to listen to a capella mixes, backing tracks, etc. because I hear things I've never heard before. It's pretty incredible. Concerning the live recordings, it makes me hopeful for a proper release of some live concerts from the 70's. As crazy as this sounds, I was never into Queen's live material...until recently this year. After discovering queenconcerts.com, I can't seem to get enough of the live stuff!!!
I cannot wait for the other albums!
I love the bonus stuff too. I hope Queen decides to add more to future E.P.'s though. 40 years is a great celebration and it would be nice to have more. It's interesting to listen to a capella mixes, backing tracks, etc. because I hear things I've never heard before. It's pretty incredible. Concerning the live recordings, it makes me hopeful for a proper release of some live concerts from the 70's. As crazy as this sounds, I was never into Queen's live material...until recently this year. After discovering queenconcerts.com, I can't seem to get enough of the live stuff!!!
I cannot wait for the other albums!
Dane
Great to hear MOTBQ as a standalone version.
Executed poorly I must admit.
Yes, this is how it appears on the original multitrack...
It misses a piano-chord and a cymbal-crash, then it would be a perfect standalone version, but this was not recorded originally as they used the piano and crash of FHLI.
I guess the only way to do this is to actually record a new piano-chord and crash.. But that was not an option I guess.
Executed poorly I must admit.
Yes, this is how it appears on the original multitrack...
It misses a piano-chord and a cymbal-crash, then it would be a perfect standalone version, but this was not recorded originally as they used the piano and crash of FHLI.
I guess the only way to do this is to actually record a new piano-chord and crash.. But that was not an option I guess.