autism good or bad?

Sir GH wrote: lifetimefanofqueen wrote:

i can talk online, its in real life i shut myself out and dont talk

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That's not asperger's ... it's simply being a teenager .. being in the process of finding yourself.  These things are way over-diagnosed these days.

When I was your age I was out playing sports with my friends every day.  Most kids these days sit behind a computer screen or some other gizmo for an average of 5 hours a day.  As a teacher I encounter plenty of kids diagnosed with ADD and asberger's, but after I meet the parents it all makes sense.  About 1 in 10 of these diagnoses are true ... the rest of them is society not being able to hold parents accountable for not imposing restrictions on technology in their kids' lives.. they scratch their heads wondering why their kids have an attention span of 8 seconds on average, and have no idea how to hold a conversation.

800 million people are going to sleep hungry tonight, and twice that number would kill to vote in a democratic election ... and there are kids in the west who complain about not "being able" to talk to people, choose not to eat because the girl on the magazine is skinnier, or even cut their wrists daily.  Some superior species we have become..

The more you type on the computer instead of doing real socializing, the more it becomes your safety net... and the harder it will be to socialize yourself later in life.  Talking on a forum or on facebook is not a social life.  Get together with some friends and have a good time... talk to each other... exchange thoughts and ideas... play a sport, join a club... etc. etc.  There are so many things you can do to integrate into the world.

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i was diagnosed by a specialist,
exaclty how can you say  i dont have it when you dont even know me in person? weve never spoken before, im a different person all together online, the person who diagnosed he, aspergers was her specialty,

I think I can understand why in real life you shut yourself and don't talk.  Judging from the replies you have made, you seem to be an aggressive person.  You can get away with talking aggressively in online forums, but in real life you might get beaten up physically if you talk like this to another person. Perhaps the solution to your fear in talking to people in real life is to learn to curb your temper, practise tolerance and seek the companionship of people who have the same interest as you so that they can bring out the best in you.

lifetimefanofqueen wrote:

i was diagnosed by a specialist

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And these specialists give wrong diagnoses every day, largely because they want to make the pharmaceutical companies money by prescribing the medication.  As a result, teenagers will then wrongly believe they are fucked up and think, why bother trying to fix it since there's something "genetically wrong" with me?  Money almost always trumps ethics in this capitalistic world we're in.  You're young ... you'll learn, eventually..

You're right, I don't know you.  But I'm over twice your age and I have a pretty good idea of how the world works.  I've read your posts, and you have a good inquiring mind.  Chances are there is nothing wrong with you.

Sir GH wrote some stuff....
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I couldn't agree more, they just label everything and everyone, doping people up and removing individuality, it’s a horrible world we live in.

I’m a perfect example, I didn’t WANT to follow my peers or my age group, so immediately there must be something wrong, nobody assumed I just didn’t like idiots my own age.
got taken to a physiologist, and immediately got diagnosed with ADHD (which is the fakest, most disgusting excuse to shove medication into kids I’ve ever seen, it’s basically a diagnoses of being a child), so I got Ritalin shoved down my throat for years, For some reason my mum though someone who had only met me an hour knew what was best.
I spent 5 or 6 years fighting against the diagnoses and diagnosed myself with aspergers, physiologist agreed
but I don’t have aspegers, I have too much of a sense of humour, imagination and social skills.

So the moral of the story is, never tell a physiologist you will sell your medication, they don’t find it funny and it makes matters a lot worse.

This is coming from someone who has been through it.

goodco, in the UK aspergers is categorised under the autistic spectrum, but strangely ADHD isn’t, in the US it’s the other way around.

I give up. 

Arlene.  Lisa J..  Jake.  Mr. Mahler.  Set aside another chair around the table.  You all have a permanent guest.

Enjoy.

Is it any wonder we don't frequent conventions every year...........................

take care

joe, the wife, and their faithful dog+

Sir GH wrote: lifetimefanofqueen wrote:

i can talk online, its in real life i shut myself out and dont talk

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That's not asperger's ... it's simply being a teenager .. being in the process of finding yourself.  These things are way over-diagnosed these days.

When I was your age I was out playing sports with my friends every day.  Most kids these days sit behind a computer screen or some other gizmo for an average of 5 hours a day.  As a teacher I encounter plenty of kids diagnosed with ADD and asberger's, but after I meet the parents it all makes sense.  About 1 in 10 of these diagnoses are true ... the rest of them is society not being able to hold parents accountable for not imposing restrictions on technology in their kids' lives.. they scratch their heads wondering why their kids have an attention span of 8 seconds on average, and have no idea how to hold a conversation.

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Exactly! Most of these kids are victims of parents desperate to get their kids diagnosed with something, "or the neighboars might think we're bad parents"!  I'd be inclined to say that most of the time it's the parents who need treatment, not the kids.

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800 million people are going to sleep hungry tonight, and twice that number would kill to vote in a democratic election ... and there are kids in the west who complain about not "being able" to talk to people, choose not to eat because the girl on the magazine is skinnier, or even cut their wrists daily.  Some superior species we have become..

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I'd like to put this into perspective a bit: first - it might be nitpicking a bit, but waaaay more people than that go to bed (if they have one) hungry night after night - the most recent figure I've heard was 1,2 billion. Most of these people don't give a damn about 'democratic elections', and rightly so. If a dictator will feed them where a democratic assembly will not, they have every right to back the dictator. Well over a billion people don't know if they'll still be around tomorrow, let alone where they are going to get their next dollar from. Democracy is a luxury for them. And there we have the crux: luxury. We are the lucky ones, we don't have to worry about food and shelter, or any of the necessities of life. However, because we don't have to worry about those, life can become completely meaningless to some. This might seem like an irrelevant detail when you are fed, clothed and sheltered, but an empty life can destroy people just like war and famine can. We in the west like to over-diagnose and turn everything into a syndrome, but the fact remains that our society based on luxury has winners and losers just like any society. Young people are especially vulnerable, and the kind of behaviour you mentioned is not historically unheard of: declining civilizations have exhibited this kind of despair time and time again. Luxury can cause suffering and emptines the same way want can. That's the irony.

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The more you type on the computer instead of doing real socializing, the more it becomes your safety net... and the harder it will be to socialize yourself later in life.  Talking on a forum or on facebook is not a social life.  Get together with some friends and have a good time... talk to each other... exchange thoughts and ideas... play a sport, join a club... etc. etc.  There are so many things you can do to integrate into the world.

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The idea that the internet is something completely different from real life is outdated. When push comes to shove, behind the avatar or nickname, there's a real person. Don't forget that people have made the exact same lack-of-social-contact argument about the telephone, and of mail before that. It's just like books, really. We complain that kids these days don't read books anymore. Not a hundred years ago (I have sources from as late as the 1920s), parents and teachers complained that kids were reading books all the time, which was supposedly making their minds go numb.

Which leads us to Sokrates. Around 400BC, he notably remarked that young people these days were no good - they had no respect for the elderly, they did not contribute to society, they were loud, unproductive, caused trouble and were morally lacking. Move forward some 2500 years, and we're still saying the same things.

The more you type on the computer instead of doing real socializing, the more it becomes your safety net... and the harder it will be to socialize yourself later in life. Talking on a forum or on facebook is not a social life. Get together with some friends and have a good time... talk to each other... exchange thoughts and ideas... play a
sport, join a club... etc. etc. There are so many things you can do to integrate into the world.
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It’s Fear of failure, people aren't sure they can do it, so instead of practicing until they can, they don't. it even applies to simple things like getting on a bus. Most of it is lack of confidence, they don’t want to get off at the wrong stop or feel foolish, so they don’t get on a bus, so it just makes it harder the next time, eventually a fear builds up.

Not socialising is the same thing, what if they say something stupid and get laughed at and with sports, this whole generation generally has a problem with confidence, and people giving these things a label and pandering to it just makes it worse.

ThomasQuinn wrote: Sir GH wrote: lifetimefanofqueen wrote:

i can talk online, its in real life i shut myself out and dont talk

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That's not asperger's ... it's simply being a teenager .. being in the process of finding yourself.  These things are way over-diagnosed these days.

When I was your age I was out playing sports with my friends every day.  Most kids these days sit behind a computer screen or some other gizmo for an average of 5 hours a day.  As a teacher I encounter plenty of kids diagnosed with ADD and asberger's, but after I meet the parents it all makes sense.  About 1 in 10 of these diagnoses are true ... the rest of them is society not being able to hold parents accountable for not imposing restrictions on technology in their kids' lives.. they scratch their heads wondering why their kids have an attention span of 8 seconds on average, and have no idea how to hold a conversation.

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Exactly! Most of these kids are victims of parents desperate to get their kids diagnosed with something, "or the neighboars might think we're bad parents"!  I'd be inclined to say that most of the time it's the parents who need treatment, not the kids.

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800 million people are going to sleep hungry tonight, and twice that number would kill to vote in a democratic election ... and there are kids in the west who complain about not "being able" to talk to people, choose not to eat because the girl on the magazine is skinnier, or even cut their wrists daily.  Some superior species we have become..

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I'd like to put this into perspective a bit: first - it might be nitpicking a bit, but waaaay more people than that go to bed (if they have one) hungry night after night - the most recent figure I've heard was 1,2 billion. Most of these people don't give a damn about 'democratic elections', and rightly so. If a dictator will feed them where a democratic assembly will not, they have every right to back the dictator. Well over a billion people don't know if they'll still be around tomorrow, let alone where they are going to get their next dollar from. Democracy is a luxury for them. And there we have the crux: luxury. We are the lucky ones, we don't have to worry about food and shelter, or any of the necessities of life. However, because we don't have to worry about those, life can become completely meaningless to some. This might seem like an irrelevant detail when you are fed, clothed and sheltered, but an empty life can destroy people just like war and famine can. We in the west like to over-diagnose and turn everything into a syndrome, but the fact remains that our society based on luxury has winners and losers just like any society. Young people are especially vulnerable, and the kind of behaviour you mentioned is not historically unheard of: declining civilizations have exhibited this kind of despair time and time again. Luxury can cause suffering and emptines the same way want can. That's the irony.

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The more you type on the computer instead of doing real socializing, the more it becomes your safety net... and the harder it will be to socialize yourself later in life.  Talking on a forum or on facebook is not a social life.  Get together with some friends and have a good time... talk to each other... exchange thoughts and ideas... play a sport, join a club... etc. etc.  There are so many things you can do to integrate into the world.

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The idea that the internet is something completely different from real life is outdated. When push comes to shove, behind the avatar or nickname, there's a real person. Don't forget that people have made the exact same lack-of-social-contact argument about the telephone, and of mail before that. It's just like books, really. We complain that kids these days don't read books anymore. Not a hundred years ago (I have sources from as late as the 1920s), parents and teachers complained that kids were reading books all the time, which was supposedly making their minds go numb.

Which leads us to Sokrates. Around 400BC, he notably remarked that young people these days were no good - they had no respect for the elderly, they did not contribute to society, they were loud, unproductive, caused trouble and were morally lacking. Move forward some 2500 years, and we're still saying the same things.

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its just a stereotype, i love old people, you can have a proper conversation with them, i preferbeing around the elderly than kids my age because the elderly are more acceptive and wont reject you because you dont like N-dubz and miley cryrus, im no loud because i dont like loud noises, i rarely talk in my room because i dont like the thought of upsetting people and i dont cause trouble because i aint one of the kids that go around pissin everyone in the street off because ive got better things to do. 
(sorry for missing words making spelling mistakes, im still plannig on how to get back at my brother for dropping my laptop)

"i love old people, you can have a proper conversation with them"

That's when they aren't stinking the place up and shitting their pants.

ThomasQuinn wrote:

"Exactly! Most of these kids are victims of parents desperate to get their kids diagnosed with something, "or the neighboars might think we're bad parents"!  I'd be inclined to say that most of the time it's the parents who need treatment, not the kids."

Bingo.  It's the soccer mom syndrome, where one tells the other how many extra-cirricular activities their kid does every week, as if doing 6 things is better than 5.  It's a big contest to prove to the world that they're good parents.  Being a parent is arguably the most important job in the world, yet it doesn't require any kind of screening or a job application.

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"an empty life can destroy people just like war and famine can. We in the west like to over-diagnose and turn everything into a syndrome, but the fact remains that our society based on luxury has winners and losers just like any society. Young people are especially vulnerable, and the kind of behaviour you mentioned is not historically unheard of: declining civilizations have exhibited this kind of despair time and time again. Luxury can cause suffering and emptines the same way want can. That's the irony."

Very good perspective there.  I've been at this forum for many years, and you've always been one of the wisest people here.

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"The idea that the internet is something completely different from real life is outdated. When push comes to shove, behind the avatar or nickname, there's a real person. Don't forget that people have made the exact same lack-of-social-contact argument about the telephone, and of mail before that."

Yes, but the difference is, few people used the telephone or the mail as a substitute for a real social life.  These days there is an increasing number of people going out on a Friday night and wondering what's happening on facebook.  The internet can be a good extension of one's social life, but far too many people have made it their primary medium for their social life.

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"Which leads us to Sokrates. Around 400BC, he notably remarked that young people these days were no good - they had no respect for the elderly, they did not contribute to society, they were loud, unproductive, caused trouble and were morally lacking. Move forward some 2500 years, and we're still saying the same things."

Of course, at the end of the day it's all comparative.  The end of socializing, the end of art, the end of authority... historically the older generations always resisted change.  But as far as I can tell, the prominence, accessibility and safety net of the computer has led to exponentially worse results than any other major shift of a social medium in our history.  In the last 20 years, obesity rates have risen at a faster rate than ever before (it's not just the food that's to blame, it's the lack of exercise), and a fair portion of the western world are now slaves to their hand-held gizmos to the point that face-to-face communication has become second place.

But I'm not overly concerned, as we can't blame the companies that produce the technology.  People do have freedom of choice, and they have chosen.  It'd be like blaming religion for the fact that most people lack self-sufficiency and need to feel like an outside force is governing their lives.  If religion didn't exist, they'd find something else to latch onto.  While many people in the west are still religious (numbers are dwindling), I'd still argue that the combination of money and technology have become their new god.

tcc wrote:

lifetimefanofqueen wrote:

i can talk online, its in real life i shut myself out and dont talk

Perhaps the solution to your fear in talking to people in real life is to learn to curb your temper, practise tolerance and seek the companionship of people who have the same interest as you so that they can bring out the best in you.
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Holy crap.  Tolerance for what?  All the gratuitous abuse she gets around here?  Nobody should be tolerating abuse.  "Hey go fuck yourself __________" (goodco, Sir GH, etc.) is what's about right I think.

Holy crap. Tolerance for what? All the gratuitous abuse she gets around here? Nobody should be tolerating abuse. "Hey go fuck yourself __________" (goodco, Sir GH, etc.) is what's about right I think.

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Apart from making annoying threads she doesn’t really do anything that bad, most of the people who get abuse thrown at them deserver it, Treasure “I’m fantastic” moment, lost “I’ll cut you up and ship you around the world” man and goodoldfashion “post the same thing in every thread and repeatedly ask the same questions” loverboy.

Julia is just a typical teenage girl, an easy target and admittedly not the most intelligent of people.
This thread is a good example, she has been diagnosed with Aspergers (which IS on the autistic spectrum, no matter what the husband of a teacher above says), it's not her fault they over diagnose these things, but in typical dramatic 13 year old style she makes a thread about it to find out what people think, stupid, yes, but doesn’t deserve half the abuse she gets.

emrabt wrote: Holy crap. Tolerance for what? All the gratuitous abuse she gets around here? Nobody should be tolerating abuse. "Hey go fuck yourself __________" (goodco, Sir GH, etc.) is what's about right I think.

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Apart from making annoying threads she doesn’t really do anything that bad, most of the people who get abuse thrown at them deserver it, Treasure “I’m fantastic” moment, lost “I’ll cut you up and ship you around the world” man and goodoldfashion “post the same thing in every thread and repeatedly ask the same questions” loverboy.

Julia is just a typical teenage girl, an easy target and admittedly not the most intelligent of people.
This thread is a good example, she has been diagnosed with Aspergers (which IS on the autistic spectrum, no matter what the husband of a teacher above says), it's not her fault they over diagnose these things, but in typical dramatic 13 year old style she makes a thread about it to find out what people think, stupid, yes, but doesn’t deserve half the abuse she gets.

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im 14 and all im doing is trying to get find GOOD things about asperges, people always act like its a terrible thing yet there are some good things about it and i was simply asking
(sorry not being mean)

I'm not even sure it's fair to call her threads that generate conversation annoying.  She's very expressive, so whatever she's thinking comes flying out, and when it doesn't work the thread drops and dies and when it does plenty of people end up participating. If I post a thread that generates participation I don't think of that as a failure of any kind.  Why should hers be held to any other standard than that?

GratefulFan wrote: tcc wrote:

lifetimefanofqueen wrote:

i can talk online, its in real life i shut myself out and dont talk

Perhaps the solution to your fear in talking to people in real life is to learn to curb your temper, practise tolerance and seek the companionship of people who have the same interest as you so that they can bring out the best in you.
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Holy crap.  Tolerance for what?  All the gratuitous abuse she gets around here?  Nobody should be tolerating abuse.  "Hey go fuck yourself __________" (goodco, Sir GH, etc.) is what's about right I think.

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couldnt agree more with you greatfulfan! :) 
well its nice to see that some people here arent compete ass holes