Thistle
Band-hopper is the word, Jaq!
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Dr Zoidberg
I think its too bad that people feel the need to assign blame and to make villains out of people when none of us know the dynamics that led to the collaboration ending. There's a bit of saint and a bit of sinner in everybody. But I have never heard that Paul Rodgers is a "cunt". He was no doubt well remunerated financially for his effort, but still, to take time out of your life, to step into another man's shoes, sing another man's songs, and do it with verve and energy and enthusiasm is no small feat - particularly when you're at the same time opening yourself up to a potential avalanche of criticism. That the Q+PR enterprise came together at all, that it worked as well as it did, and went on as long as it did is nothing short of a small miracle, even considering the cool reception TCR received. For those of us who came into the Queen fold post-Magic Tour, it was an incredible experience and opportunity but nothing lasts forever. That's the nature of things, regardless of who might or might not have been "a cunt".
Thistle
Dr Zoidberg wrote: I think its too bad that people feel the need to assign blame and to make villains out of people when none of us know the dynamics that led to the collaboration ending. There's a bit of saint and a bit of sinner in everybody. But I have never heard that Paul Rodgers is a "cunt". He was no doubt well remunerated financially for his effort, but still, to take time out of your life, to step into another man's shoes, sing another man's songs, and do it with verve and energy and enthusiasm is no small feat - particularly when you're at the same time opening yourself up to a potential avalanche of criticism. That the Q+PR enterprise came together at all, that it worked as well as it did, and went on as long as it did is nothing short of a small miracle, even considering the cool reception TCR received. For those of us who came into the Queen fold post-Magic Tour, it was an incredible experience and opportunity but nothing lasts forever. That's the nature of things, regardless of who might or might not have been "a cunt".
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Well, he did beat Mick Ralphs up....and is also a band-hopper. Agreed RE the shows, in fact I couldn't agree more, but I think the signs point towards PR being the problem and the reason for the break-up. He is an ex-boxer and a 2nd degree blackbelt in oragami or whatever, so I reckon he does have some pent up anger issues lol
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Well, he did beat Mick Ralphs up....and is also a band-hopper. Agreed RE the shows, in fact I couldn't agree more, but I think the signs point towards PR being the problem and the reason for the break-up. He is an ex-boxer and a 2nd degree blackbelt in oragami or whatever, so I reckon he does have some pent up anger issues lol
GratefulFan
Thistleboy 1980 wrote: My mate was even wearing a Queen+PR shirt, and was asked to kindly cover it!
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Please cover your offensive Paul Rogers gear lest Mr. May become upset. Really? That's pretty extreme, and not entirely unrevealing. It usually takes two to create tension and friction, but just one can be the major force in a falling out. Brian is wonderful in a hundred ways, but he also has some pretty strange and rigid ways of sorting people into his personal piles of villains and heroes. I can certainly see him being the key force in establishing and sustaining a feud far past where somebody with a more flexible and relaxed personality would take it.
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Please cover your offensive Paul Rogers gear lest Mr. May become upset. Really? That's pretty extreme, and not entirely unrevealing. It usually takes two to create tension and friction, but just one can be the major force in a falling out. Brian is wonderful in a hundred ways, but he also has some pretty strange and rigid ways of sorting people into his personal piles of villains and heroes. I can certainly see him being the key force in establishing and sustaining a feud far past where somebody with a more flexible and relaxed personality would take it.
Thistle
GratefulFan wrote: Thistleboy 1980 wrote: My mate was even wearing a Queen+PR shirt, and was asked to kindly cover it!
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Please cover your offensive Paul Rogers gear lest Mr. May become upset. Really? That's pretty extreme, and not entirely unrevealing. It usually takes two to create tension and friction, but just one can be the major force in a falling out. Brian is wonderful in a hundred ways, but he also has some pretty strange and rigid ways of sorting people into his personal piles of villains and heroes. I can certainly see him being the key force in establishing and sustaining a feud far past where somebody with a more flexible and relaxed personality would take it. =============================================================================================
It does look pretty childish (about the T-shirt, that is, because he should remain professional. But maybe he wouldn't have reacted angrily, who knows? Maybe it was just an over-zealous official being too cautious???). However, if the situation is the way I am lead to believe it is, I cannot blame Brian for being pissed off.
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Please cover your offensive Paul Rogers gear lest Mr. May become upset. Really? That's pretty extreme, and not entirely unrevealing. It usually takes two to create tension and friction, but just one can be the major force in a falling out. Brian is wonderful in a hundred ways, but he also has some pretty strange and rigid ways of sorting people into his personal piles of villains and heroes. I can certainly see him being the key force in establishing and sustaining a feud far past where somebody with a more flexible and relaxed personality would take it. =============================================================================================
It does look pretty childish (about the T-shirt, that is, because he should remain professional. But maybe he wouldn't have reacted angrily, who knows? Maybe it was just an over-zealous official being too cautious???). However, if the situation is the way I am lead to believe it is, I cannot blame Brian for being pissed off.
rhyeking
It's also worth considering how each of us views the collaboration. For myself, I viewed it as three equals, all coming to the table with talents, songs and ideas, both on tour and on the album.
You might say, "Well, it was mostly Queen songs on the tours, with a few token Paul Rodgers songs sprinkled throughout." I think that's a little simplistic. Let's take a look...
Here are the songs, their original context and then who sung it live:
Reaching Out = PR + BM (PR)
Tie Your Mother Down = Q (PR)
I Want To Break Free = Q (PR)
Fat Bottomed Girls = Q (PR)
Wishing Well = PR (PR)
Another One Bites The Dust = Q (PR)
Crazy Little Thing Called Love = Q (PR)
Say It's Not True = Q (RT)
'39 = Q (BM)
I Was Born To Love You = FM (RT + BM)
Love Of My Life = Q (BM)
Hammer To Fall = Q (BM + PR)
Feel Like Makin' Love = PR (PR)
Let There Be Drums = Sandy Nelson cover (N/A)
Guitar Solo = Q (N/A)
Last Horizon = BM (N/A)
These Are The Days Of Our Lives = Q (RT)
Radio Ga Ga = Q (RT + PR)
Can't Get Enough = PR (PR)
Seagull = PR (PR)
A Kind Of Magic = Q (PR)
I Want It All = Q (PR)
Bohemian Rhapsody = Q (FM + PR)
The Show Must Go On = Q (PR)
All Right Now = PR (PR)
We Will Rock You = Q (PR)
We Are The Champions = Q (PR)
God Save The Queen = Trad. (N/A)
So, in the end, Paul sang 16 to 17 songs, 5 to 6 of them were his from other projects. That's about 30%
8 to 9 songs he didn't sing on at all, either because Roger and/or Brian did, or they were instrumental. 1 was a recording (GSTQ). That's about 30% as well.
So, at the end of the day, Paul sung about 66 to 70% of the songs per concert on the first tour, half were his. The other 30% were Brian and Roger.
That's a pretty balanced representation.
You might say, "Well, it was mostly Queen songs on the tours, with a few token Paul Rodgers songs sprinkled throughout." I think that's a little simplistic. Let's take a look...
Here are the songs, their original context and then who sung it live:
Reaching Out = PR + BM (PR)
Tie Your Mother Down = Q (PR)
I Want To Break Free = Q (PR)
Fat Bottomed Girls = Q (PR)
Wishing Well = PR (PR)
Another One Bites The Dust = Q (PR)
Crazy Little Thing Called Love = Q (PR)
Say It's Not True = Q (RT)
'39 = Q (BM)
I Was Born To Love You = FM (RT + BM)
Love Of My Life = Q (BM)
Hammer To Fall = Q (BM + PR)
Feel Like Makin' Love = PR (PR)
Let There Be Drums = Sandy Nelson cover (N/A)
Guitar Solo = Q (N/A)
Last Horizon = BM (N/A)
These Are The Days Of Our Lives = Q (RT)
Radio Ga Ga = Q (RT + PR)
Can't Get Enough = PR (PR)
Seagull = PR (PR)
A Kind Of Magic = Q (PR)
I Want It All = Q (PR)
Bohemian Rhapsody = Q (FM + PR)
The Show Must Go On = Q (PR)
All Right Now = PR (PR)
We Will Rock You = Q (PR)
We Are The Champions = Q (PR)
God Save The Queen = Trad. (N/A)
So, in the end, Paul sang 16 to 17 songs, 5 to 6 of them were his from other projects. That's about 30%
8 to 9 songs he didn't sing on at all, either because Roger and/or Brian did, or they were instrumental. 1 was a recording (GSTQ). That's about 30% as well.
So, at the end of the day, Paul sung about 66 to 70% of the songs per concert on the first tour, half were his. The other 30% were Brian and Roger.
That's a pretty balanced representation.
Thistle
That's some pretty neat stats RK, but what point are you making?
Thistle
That sounded cheeky. I didn't mean it like that RK lol.
GratefulFan
Thistleboy 1980 wrote:
It does look pretty childish (about the T-shirt, that is, because he should remain professional. But maybe he wouldn't have reacted angrily, who knows? Maybe it was just an over-zealous official being too cautious???). However, if the situation is the way I am lead to believe it is, I cannot blame Brian for being pissed off.
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Thing is, Brian is perpetually pissed off. Truthfully I'm about worn out of his pissedoffedness, though never worn out of him. At some point I think you do have to start adjusting your filter for people who seem to be perpetually mad at everything and everyone that doesn't conform to whatever it is they think others ought to think/do/be. Like it or not, that does indicate a tendency to raging ego at least sometimes, or perhaps more accurately egocentrism. That can't be easy to work with all the time.
I love, love, love Rodgers' work, but as a human being he's always struck me as kind of a shallow drip, entirely average in almost every way. That might get kind of annoying too. But one guy is talking reunion and one guy apparently has a 'very, very sore spot' and by coincidence that same guy also happens to be a bit of a festering pit of sore spots. So I'd be inclined to think that Brian would be the bigger part of the problem, particularly if 'the problem' is not only the original reasons for the falling out but the path to ironing out any issues and moving forward.
It does look pretty childish (about the T-shirt, that is, because he should remain professional. But maybe he wouldn't have reacted angrily, who knows? Maybe it was just an over-zealous official being too cautious???). However, if the situation is the way I am lead to believe it is, I cannot blame Brian for being pissed off.
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Thing is, Brian is perpetually pissed off. Truthfully I'm about worn out of his pissedoffedness, though never worn out of him. At some point I think you do have to start adjusting your filter for people who seem to be perpetually mad at everything and everyone that doesn't conform to whatever it is they think others ought to think/do/be. Like it or not, that does indicate a tendency to raging ego at least sometimes, or perhaps more accurately egocentrism. That can't be easy to work with all the time.
I love, love, love Rodgers' work, but as a human being he's always struck me as kind of a shallow drip, entirely average in almost every way. That might get kind of annoying too. But one guy is talking reunion and one guy apparently has a 'very, very sore spot' and by coincidence that same guy also happens to be a bit of a festering pit of sore spots. So I'd be inclined to think that Brian would be the bigger part of the problem, particularly if 'the problem' is not only the original reasons for the falling out but the path to ironing out any issues and moving forward.
Bo Alex
No more Paul Rodgers, please! He sucks!
the dude 1366
One thing is true. We don't know the truth on this. At least they are publicly being adults about it. I got to see Queen live because Paul agreed to sing.
The Real Wizard
Bo Alex wrote:
No more Paul Rodgers, please! He sucks!
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According to what criteria?
According to my criteria, he is the only person to have been in three bands that sold over a million records each. Whether or not I like his style, I'd say he's pretty good!
No more Paul Rodgers, please! He sucks!
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According to what criteria?
According to my criteria, he is the only person to have been in three bands that sold over a million records each. Whether or not I like his style, I'd say he's pretty good!
Bo Alex
Sir GH wrote: Bo Alex wrote:
No more Paul Rodgers, please! He sucks!
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According to what criteria?
According to my criteria, he is the only person to have been in three bands that sold over a million records each. Whether or not I like his style, I'd say he's pretty good!
According to my own point of view, of course.To me, it's just my subjectivity that counts. I don't like his style and I don't think it fit with Queen songs. To me, he just sucks.
Anyway, I have to admit that due to the whole Q+PR thing I could see them live in 2008.
No more Paul Rodgers, please! He sucks!
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According to what criteria?
According to my criteria, he is the only person to have been in three bands that sold over a million records each. Whether or not I like his style, I'd say he's pretty good!
According to my own point of view, of course.To me, it's just my subjectivity that counts. I don't like his style and I don't think it fit with Queen songs. To me, he just sucks.
Anyway, I have to admit that due to the whole Q+PR thing I could see them live in 2008.
The Real Wizard
Bo Alex wrote:
I don't like his style and I don't think it fit with Queen songs.
To me, he just sucks.
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The first statement is fair, but the second one isn't. Just because you feel like he doesn't do Queen songs justice doesn't mean he sucks. Paul is a blues singer, and blues is the predecessor to rock and roll... they are very interconnected.
What is it with closed-minded Queen fans who can't accept any interpretation of a Queen song by someone who doesn't sound like Freddie?
It's like those Beatles fans who scoffed at the Across The Universe soundtrack because the arrangements were different, or the classical snobs who think Glenn Gould's Bach Variations are sacrilege. I think these marriages are refreshing and give the music new life. Art is meant to grow with new interpretations ... not remain static forever.
I don't like his style and I don't think it fit with Queen songs.
To me, he just sucks.
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The first statement is fair, but the second one isn't. Just because you feel like he doesn't do Queen songs justice doesn't mean he sucks. Paul is a blues singer, and blues is the predecessor to rock and roll... they are very interconnected.
What is it with closed-minded Queen fans who can't accept any interpretation of a Queen song by someone who doesn't sound like Freddie?
It's like those Beatles fans who scoffed at the Across The Universe soundtrack because the arrangements were different, or the classical snobs who think Glenn Gould's Bach Variations are sacrilege. I think these marriages are refreshing and give the music new life. Art is meant to grow with new interpretations ... not remain static forever.
mike hunt
Sir GH wrote: Bo Alex wrote:
I don't like his style and I don't think it fit with Queen songs.
To me, he just sucks.
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The first statement is fair, but the second one isn't. Just because you feel like he doesn't do Queen songs justice doesn't mean he sucks. Paul is a blues singer, and blues is the predecessor to rock and roll... they are very interconnected.
What is it with closed-minded Queen fans who can't accept any interpretation of a Queen song by someone who doesn't sound like Freddie?
It's like those Beatles fans who scoffed at the Across The Universe soundtrack because the arrangements were different, or the classical snobs who think Glenn Gould's Bach Variations are sacrilege. I think these marriages are refreshing and give the music new life. Art is meant to grow with new interpretations ... not remain static forever.
Why you ripping on the guy?....calling him close-minded. Just because he doesn't think pauls voice fits the Queen sound doesn't make him close-minded. I agree with alex as far as that is concerned. i don't agree with the "he sucks" comment. His own material never sounded better with Queen behind him, and is a legend in his own right. I just don't like him in queen. You don't have to like every note Brian plays Bob.
I don't like his style and I don't think it fit with Queen songs.
To me, he just sucks.
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The first statement is fair, but the second one isn't. Just because you feel like he doesn't do Queen songs justice doesn't mean he sucks. Paul is a blues singer, and blues is the predecessor to rock and roll... they are very interconnected.
What is it with closed-minded Queen fans who can't accept any interpretation of a Queen song by someone who doesn't sound like Freddie?
It's like those Beatles fans who scoffed at the Across The Universe soundtrack because the arrangements were different, or the classical snobs who think Glenn Gould's Bach Variations are sacrilege. I think these marriages are refreshing and give the music new life. Art is meant to grow with new interpretations ... not remain static forever.
Why you ripping on the guy?....calling him close-minded. Just because he doesn't think pauls voice fits the Queen sound doesn't make him close-minded. I agree with alex as far as that is concerned. i don't agree with the "he sucks" comment. His own material never sounded better with Queen behind him, and is a legend in his own right. I just don't like him in queen. You don't have to like every note Brian plays Bob.