How bout Queen's worst gigs? lol I can think of a couple...
-Toronto 1978
-Fukuoka 1982 (First Night)
-Dallas 1978
jamster1111
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The Real Wizard
What's wrong with Toronto? Just because Brian's guitar was out of tune for the second encore?
And Fukuoka's a great show - Freddie is very creative throughout.
But I'll agree with Dallas. The band sound very unrehearsed at times. Read the review of the Vancouver 80 show too..
And Fukuoka's a great show - Freddie is very creative throughout.
But I'll agree with Dallas. The band sound very unrehearsed at times. Read the review of the Vancouver 80 show too..
jamster1111
Sir GH wrote: What's wrong with Toronto? Just because Brian's guitar was out of tune for the second encore?
And Fukuoka's a great show - Freddie is very creative throughout.
But I'll agree with Dallas. The band sound very unrehearsed at times. Read the review of the Vancouver 80 show too..
Because half of the band fucks up constantly at Toronto. Between Brian's guitar problems and Freddie's squealing....
Fukuoka 1982.... The crowd doesnt have much energy, the band sound so tired and its evident they desperately need a break, Freddie is rushing through all of the songs and to top it all off, his voice isn't in the best shape.
And for Vancouver, i thought that was a great gig! He aces the Rock It....lol
And Fukuoka's a great show - Freddie is very creative throughout.
But I'll agree with Dallas. The band sound very unrehearsed at times. Read the review of the Vancouver 80 show too..
Because half of the band fucks up constantly at Toronto. Between Brian's guitar problems and Freddie's squealing....
Fukuoka 1982.... The crowd doesnt have much energy, the band sound so tired and its evident they desperately need a break, Freddie is rushing through all of the songs and to top it all off, his voice isn't in the best shape.
And for Vancouver, i thought that was a great gig! He aces the Rock It....lol
Gregsynth
You can add 9/29/1984 to the "worst gigs" list.
Gregsynth
jamster1111 wrote:
Stockholm 78? I think Newcastle 12/3 is a much better show. Newcastle 12/3 i think should be number 3.
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You think Newcastle 1979 (1st night) is better than everything except for the 2nd Newcastle and Leiden? I think Boston 1976 edges it out, but Newcastle could move up a couple spots!
Stockholm 78? I think Newcastle 12/3 is a much better show. Newcastle 12/3 i think should be number 3.
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You think Newcastle 1979 (1st night) is better than everything except for the 2nd Newcastle and Leiden? I think Boston 1976 edges it out, but Newcastle could move up a couple spots!
Gregsynth
formulaone+queenmad wrote: 1) Newcastle 12/4/1979
2) Leiden 6/12/1986
3) Edinburgh 6/1/1982
4) Boston 1/30/1986
5) Brussels 8/24/1984
6) Copenhagen 4/13/1978
7) Brussels 12/13/1980
8) Sao Paulo 2/28/1981 (next night's audio is shit!)
9) Tokyo 5/8/1985
10) Tokyo 5/1/1975
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Edinburgh and Leeds are both amazing. I think we can compare both concerts and decide where they go. I personally see Leeds lower top 10 and Edinburgh in the higher top 15 (Leeds edges it out due to the atmosphere). Edinburgh is great though!
Brussels 1984 is top 25 (maybe 20). It's overall very solid (and a brilliant crowd)!
I love Copenhagen personally, but I don't see it in the top 10 (the atmosphere wasn't really up to par--but the performances are great). I'd say top 30.
Brussels 1980 is surprising--but it's quite a well-rounded concert. I'd give it the top 25 or so!
Sao Paulo could get a top 10 shot (excellent band and Freddie + amazing atmosphere).
I dropped Tokyo 1985 (either night) off the list because it's too close to decide between the gigs. I say both are in the top 15-20 range.
Tokyo 1975 has awesome musical moments! I think somewhere in the 10-20 range would fit it!
I think I can build off your list and make an update.
2) Leiden 6/12/1986
3) Edinburgh 6/1/1982
4) Boston 1/30/1986
5) Brussels 8/24/1984
6) Copenhagen 4/13/1978
7) Brussels 12/13/1980
8) Sao Paulo 2/28/1981 (next night's audio is shit!)
9) Tokyo 5/8/1985
10) Tokyo 5/1/1975
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Edinburgh and Leeds are both amazing. I think we can compare both concerts and decide where they go. I personally see Leeds lower top 10 and Edinburgh in the higher top 15 (Leeds edges it out due to the atmosphere). Edinburgh is great though!
Brussels 1984 is top 25 (maybe 20). It's overall very solid (and a brilliant crowd)!
I love Copenhagen personally, but I don't see it in the top 10 (the atmosphere wasn't really up to par--but the performances are great). I'd say top 30.
Brussels 1980 is surprising--but it's quite a well-rounded concert. I'd give it the top 25 or so!
Sao Paulo could get a top 10 shot (excellent band and Freddie + amazing atmosphere).
I dropped Tokyo 1985 (either night) off the list because it's too close to decide between the gigs. I say both are in the top 15-20 range.
Tokyo 1975 has awesome musical moments! I think somewhere in the 10-20 range would fit it!
I think I can build off your list and make an update.
Gregsynth
CURRENT LIST:
1. Newcastle (12/4/1979)
2. Leiden (6/12/1986)
3. Rock In Rio (1/12/1985)
4. Boston (1/30/1976)
5. New York (12/2/1977)
6. Leeds (5/29/1982)
7. London (12/8/1980)
8. Stockholm (4/12/1978)
9. Newcastle (12/3/1979)
10. Philadelphia (11/23/1977)
UPDATED LIST:
1. Newcastle (12/4/1979)
2. Leiden (6/12/1986)
3. Rock In Ro (1/12/1985)
4. Boston (1/30/1976)
5. Newcastle (12/3/1979)
6. New York (12/2/1977)
7. Leeds (5/29/1982)
8. London (12/8/1980)
9. Sao Paulo (3/20/1981)
10. Philadelphia (11/23/1977)
Newcastle 1979 has been boosted up a few spots, and some of the previous concerts have been moved down one spot. I took Stockholm 1978 off, and replaced it with Sao Paulo 1981.
1. Newcastle (12/4/1979)
2. Leiden (6/12/1986)
3. Rock In Rio (1/12/1985)
4. Boston (1/30/1976)
5. New York (12/2/1977)
6. Leeds (5/29/1982)
7. London (12/8/1980)
8. Stockholm (4/12/1978)
9. Newcastle (12/3/1979)
10. Philadelphia (11/23/1977)
UPDATED LIST:
1. Newcastle (12/4/1979)
2. Leiden (6/12/1986)
3. Rock In Ro (1/12/1985)
4. Boston (1/30/1976)
5. Newcastle (12/3/1979)
6. New York (12/2/1977)
7. Leeds (5/29/1982)
8. London (12/8/1980)
9. Sao Paulo (3/20/1981)
10. Philadelphia (11/23/1977)
Newcastle 1979 has been boosted up a few spots, and some of the previous concerts have been moved down one spot. I took Stockholm 1978 off, and replaced it with Sao Paulo 1981.
jamster1111
I think Glasgow 5/30/77 should be in that list. It's really the best Races gig and an incredible gig at that!
DaveyLane
I very much enjoyed hearing the Magic Tour Debate (and look forward to hearing more), and I know the parameters for the criteria you've listed Greg are wider than just Freddie's vocal shape, but I'd like to hear the band's performance dissected as a whole, rather than just what A5's C5's B5's Q7's J9's etc etc Freddie hit...and Brian's performances with a little more detail than simply "he fucked up 60% of the concerts" (I'm not having a go at you Greg, as I said I enjoy hearing and reading your thoughts), maybe a guitar player's perspective would balance things a little?
For example (if Im not mistaken) there was no reference to John playing Tear It Up at Wembley a semitone flat for a good deal of the song's length in your Magic Debate...there's something that wasn't overdubbed after the fact! I don't know enough, nor am I a good enough speaker to contribute to such a debate, but I look forward to hearing everyone's top 10 gigs. Me, I've only really heard the more obvious ones (Hyde Park, Earl's Court, Houston, Sydney 85, etc etc) so I dunno if I'd be qualified to contribute! However, this will inform me of the ones I need to track down!
Cheers
Davey
For example (if Im not mistaken) there was no reference to John playing Tear It Up at Wembley a semitone flat for a good deal of the song's length in your Magic Debate...there's something that wasn't overdubbed after the fact! I don't know enough, nor am I a good enough speaker to contribute to such a debate, but I look forward to hearing everyone's top 10 gigs. Me, I've only really heard the more obvious ones (Hyde Park, Earl's Court, Houston, Sydney 85, etc etc) so I dunno if I'd be qualified to contribute! However, this will inform me of the ones I need to track down!
Cheers
Davey
Gregsynth
DaveyLane wrote: I very much enjoyed hearing the Magic Tour Debate (and look forward to hearing more), and I know the parameters for the criteria you've listed Greg are wider than just Freddie's vocal shape, but I'd like to hear the band's performance dissected as a whole, rather than just what A5's C5's B5's Q7's J9's etc etc Freddie hit...and Brian's performances with a little more detail than simply "he fucked up 60% of the concerts" (I'm not having a go at you Greg, as I said I enjoy hearing and reading your thoughts), maybe a guitar player's perspective would balance things a little?
For example (if Im not mistaken) there was no reference to John playing Tear It Up at Wembley a semitone flat for a good deal of the song's length in your Magic Debate...there's something that wasn't overdubbed after the fact! I don't know enough, nor am I a good enough speaker to contribute to such a debate, but I look forward to hearing everyone's top 10 gigs. Me, I've only really heard the more obvious ones (Hyde Park, Earl's Court, Houston, Sydney 85, etc etc) so I dunno if I'd be qualified to contribute! However, this will inform me of the ones I need to track down!
Cheers
Davey
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I guess I can dissect entire performances (it'll take a while though). A couple subscribers and myself are planning a "gig analysis" for my channel (we listen to an entire concert, and we debate/discuss the gig as it's playing). Also we plan to re-do each of the previous debates (updates, correcting outdated info, feedback, etc). If you want to join in the debates, you can ask me! It doesn't matter if you know alot, or a little bit--everybody's got something to say!
BTW, it was Jamster that said "he fucked up 60% of the concerts." I was just calling him out! :)
Cheers
Greg
For example (if Im not mistaken) there was no reference to John playing Tear It Up at Wembley a semitone flat for a good deal of the song's length in your Magic Debate...there's something that wasn't overdubbed after the fact! I don't know enough, nor am I a good enough speaker to contribute to such a debate, but I look forward to hearing everyone's top 10 gigs. Me, I've only really heard the more obvious ones (Hyde Park, Earl's Court, Houston, Sydney 85, etc etc) so I dunno if I'd be qualified to contribute! However, this will inform me of the ones I need to track down!
Cheers
Davey
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I guess I can dissect entire performances (it'll take a while though). A couple subscribers and myself are planning a "gig analysis" for my channel (we listen to an entire concert, and we debate/discuss the gig as it's playing). Also we plan to re-do each of the previous debates (updates, correcting outdated info, feedback, etc). If you want to join in the debates, you can ask me! It doesn't matter if you know alot, or a little bit--everybody's got something to say!
BTW, it was Jamster that said "he fucked up 60% of the concerts." I was just calling him out! :)
Cheers
Greg
Gregsynth
jamster1111 wrote: I think Glasgow 5/30/77 should be in that list. It's really the best Races gig and an incredible gig at that!
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It's not top ten worthy. It's on a par with Bristol--both excellent but not in the top ten!
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It's not top ten worthy. It's on a par with Bristol--both excellent but not in the top ten!
jamster1111
Gregsynth wrote: jamster1111 wrote: I think Glasgow 5/30/77 should be in that list. It's really the best Races gig and an incredible gig at that!
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It's not top ten worthy. It's on a par with Bristol--both excellent but not in the top ten!
To me Glasgow has a better vibe than Bristol. It probably has the best borhap from the tour and one of the best STL's...the only one where he gets the can barely stand on my feet. And the band are very energetic.
A show I really wanna hear is that Bingley Hall show in Stafford which inspired Brian to write WWRY. That has got to be a great gig.
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It's not top ten worthy. It's on a par with Bristol--both excellent but not in the top ten!
To me Glasgow has a better vibe than Bristol. It probably has the best borhap from the tour and one of the best STL's...the only one where he gets the can barely stand on my feet. And the band are very energetic.
A show I really wanna hear is that Bingley Hall show in Stafford which inspired Brian to write WWRY. That has got to be a great gig.
Gregsynth
jamster1111 wrote:
To me Glasgow has a better vibe than Bristol. It probably has the best borhap from the tour and one of the best STL's...the only one where he gets the can barely stand on my feet. And the band are very energetic.
A show I really wanna hear is that Bingley Hall show in Stafford which inspired Brian to write WWRY. That has got to be a great gig.
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But does Glasgow beat the "current" list of gigs? I don't think it does--both Bristol and Glasgow are awesome, but I think they are more in the top 20 gigs!
Yes, I want to hear the Bingley Hall show as well!
To me Glasgow has a better vibe than Bristol. It probably has the best borhap from the tour and one of the best STL's...the only one where he gets the can barely stand on my feet. And the band are very energetic.
A show I really wanna hear is that Bingley Hall show in Stafford which inspired Brian to write WWRY. That has got to be a great gig.
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But does Glasgow beat the "current" list of gigs? I don't think it does--both Bristol and Glasgow are awesome, but I think they are more in the top 20 gigs!
Yes, I want to hear the Bingley Hall show as well!
woodstar12
I think the best gig I ever went to was my first baptism of Queen. Which was the Empire Pool (Wembley arena, as it was) in 1978....that was the news of the World tour. I was 16, and my aunt and uncle took me. I was just awestruck, with the show...the band, the lights, the crown. It blew my mind and turned what was a 'like of their music' into a ' fanatic'.
I'm sure we could all give better examples of concerts, and I've been to some great shows since then.
I remember once leaving the Queen and Paul Rodgers Newcastle metro gig in 2005, hearing one young fan say,
' God that was the best concert I have ever seen'.
I remember laughing to myself and thinking 'you haven't lived then'. But it does show the ultimate show, even though different now...still has impact. I was lucky to see Queen with Freddie & John many times, which some will never have the opportunity to.
The worst gig I ever went to was 'Lewisham Odeon' on the Crazy tour.
Not because of the show....but the crowd were crap.. I was up the back, jumping around, and all the audience were sitting in their seats watching the show. I remember someone asking me to sit down, and looks of disdain from other people.....Can't believe it to this day really. I remember wishing I was up the front where people were digging to show.
I'm sure we could all give better examples of concerts, and I've been to some great shows since then.
I remember once leaving the Queen and Paul Rodgers Newcastle metro gig in 2005, hearing one young fan say,
' God that was the best concert I have ever seen'.
I remember laughing to myself and thinking 'you haven't lived then'. But it does show the ultimate show, even though different now...still has impact. I was lucky to see Queen with Freddie & John many times, which some will never have the opportunity to.
The worst gig I ever went to was 'Lewisham Odeon' on the Crazy tour.
Not because of the show....but the crowd were crap.. I was up the back, jumping around, and all the audience were sitting in their seats watching the show. I remember someone asking me to sit down, and looks of disdain from other people.....Can't believe it to this day really. I remember wishing I was up the front where people were digging to show.
jamster1111
woodstar12 wrote: I think the best gig I ever went to was my first baptism of Queen. Which was the Empire Pool (Wembley arena, as it was) in 1978....that was the news of the World tour. I was 16, and my aunt and uncle took me. I was just awestruck, with the show...the band, the lights, the crown. It blew my mind and turned what was a 'like of their music' into a ' fanatic'.
I'm sure we could all give better examples of concerts, and I've been to some great shows since then.
I remember once leaving the Queen and Paul Rodgers Newcastle metro gig in 2005, hearing one young fan say,
' God that was the best concert I have ever seen'.
I remember laughing to myself and thinking 'you haven't lived then'. But it does show the ultimate show, even though different now...still has impact. I was lucky to see Queen with Freddie & John many times, which some will never have the opportunity to.
The worst gig I ever went to was 'Lewisham Odeon' on the Crazy tour.
Not because of the show....but the crowd were crap.. I was up the back, jumping around, and all the audience were sitting in their seats watching the show. I remember someone asking me to sit down, and looks of disdain from other people.....Can't believe it to this day really. I remember wishing I was up the front where people were digging to show.
Based off the recordings we have those Empire Pool gigs sound like they were great. But unfortunately, we only have two recordings; one of them is in terrible quality and the other is very incomplete.
I'm sure we could all give better examples of concerts, and I've been to some great shows since then.
I remember once leaving the Queen and Paul Rodgers Newcastle metro gig in 2005, hearing one young fan say,
' God that was the best concert I have ever seen'.
I remember laughing to myself and thinking 'you haven't lived then'. But it does show the ultimate show, even though different now...still has impact. I was lucky to see Queen with Freddie & John many times, which some will never have the opportunity to.
The worst gig I ever went to was 'Lewisham Odeon' on the Crazy tour.
Not because of the show....but the crowd were crap.. I was up the back, jumping around, and all the audience were sitting in their seats watching the show. I remember someone asking me to sit down, and looks of disdain from other people.....Can't believe it to this day really. I remember wishing I was up the front where people were digging to show.
Based off the recordings we have those Empire Pool gigs sound like they were great. But unfortunately, we only have two recordings; one of them is in terrible quality and the other is very incomplete.