DAVID R FULLER'S ACCOUNT TERMINATED

This is what it says on YouTube:

YouTube account DaveRFuller has been terminated because we received multiple third-party notifications of copyright infringement from claimants including:
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I hate copyright....

Yeah, stupid copyrights...

Why should artists be paid for what they do?  Only people who work "real jobs" should get paid, right?

He posted some officially released material, so his account was taken down.  Sounds pretty straight-forward to me.

Official stuff aside, what now happens to all the videos he DID upload? Are they gone from Youtube? I also wonder if he had some kind of backup after the last time it happened.

Adam.

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Sir GH wrote: Yeah, stupid copyrights...

Why should artists be paid for what they do?  Only people who work "real jobs" should get paid, right?

He posted some officially released material, so his account was taken down.  Sounds pretty straight-forward to me.

Dude, that's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is that his account was taken down for posting SOME officially released material. More than half of the stuff he posted wasn't official. I'll give you another example: MsMamapapa. His account was taken down to, and I don't remember him posting ANY official material. Another example: Gregsynthbootlegs. His account is always getting warnings. I find it stupid that the copyright people take down the whole channel when there are only 4 or 5 videos. Instead, they take down all 500 videos he had for only a few videos. The only official ones I remember him having were the guest appearances, and the karaoke versions. None of the interviews or demos were official.
Either way, I respect their objective, but I don't agree with it.
But that's not the discussion. His account is gone, along with all his videos, subscribers and friends. I'm letting everyone know, and I want to know what people think of it.

It's kinda like going to a supermarket and stealing a few items and telling the police officer "Only SOME of the things in my trolley are stolen, the rest I paid for!"

MadTheSwine73, whether officially released or not queen own the copyright on everything the members create, none of that stuff has fallen into the public domain, and probably never will, Gregs channel has 100's of songs performed and written by, yes you've guessed it, QUEEN, Daverfuller had 100's of things he didn't own, the interviews are owned by the radio or TV stations, the demos by whoever wrote / recorded them, live audience shot footage is owned by whoever filmed it, but the sound is technically owned by Queen.
People are so thick when it comes to copyrights. Seriously, it’s not just you, but some of this stuff is simple logic that even an 8 year old can work out.

And don’t get me started on people who think that posting movies and stuff on youtube counts as "private archiving" under the fair use / fair dealings act.

This topic is understandable, but yet again not.

I've always watched the special songs/demos/other rarities on David's account with a lot of enthusiasm and surprise.  Don't know how he does it, but he almost always amazes us. The fact that QP doesn't  release a lot of these gems is a shame. But yet again, it's their call. They own the rights and to be honest we all have to respect that. Don't say that I like it, but it also amazes me that a lot of people find it normal to get access to material guarded by all sorts of rights these days. It really seems normal but it isn't. Although I have to admit that the people from YouTube are quite hypocrite too. They allowed it for so long, deleted his account several times but still every time he could eventually restore it. 

Again, I don't like the fact that David's account has been deleted because of all the special features. Let's just hope that QP wake up someday...........;)

Sir GH wrote:

Why should artists be paid for what they do?  Only people who work "real jobs" should get paid, right?

Define "real job"

Sir GH wrote: Yeah, stupid copyrights...

Why should artists be paid for what they do?  Only people who work "real jobs" should get paid, right?

He posted some officially released material, so his account was taken down.  Sounds pretty straight-forward to me.

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You're closing your eyes to some serious injustice here. Copyright as a system is defective. I will give you some very telling examples out of real life:

Back in the 1960s, an idealistic artists' rights lawyer started a record label for avant-garde artists, the label being called ESP Disk'. Artists recorded for ESP, but were given a non-exclusive contract, meaning they were free to take the recordings they made for ESP to another label if they so desired. After a few years, a number of artists were given contracts with other labels, and these labels DID make them sign exclusive contracts. ESP records were re-released, and...during the 1970s these record companies started successfully suing ESP-Disk' over supposed 'copyright infringement': the *original releases* were now labelled PIRATED, with exclusive copyright going to the goddamn criminals who reissued them. Result: ESP-Disk' went bankrupt. This happened THREE TIMES.

That is not justice, but it is copyright.

Point two: artist dies, some years pass. Rights are about to expire - so unscrupulous corporate lawyer has rights extended under company name. Result: exclusive rights stretching out to infinity for some corporate machine with no ties to the original artist whatsoever.

Point three: expensive lawsuits by multi-million dollar bands against bands just starting out. Some of these are truly idiotic: one, I forgot the name of the band, actually claimed exclusive rights to the use of the F7 chord. They would never win in court, but because of the prohibitively high costs of going to trial, they get what they want anyway.

The system is broke. Copyright should be buried and replaced by something just. For starters, it should be impossible for copyright to reside in anything other than a flesh-and-blood person. No company or other anonymous structure should be able to exercise copyright.

Just like the majority or law's, copyright is not perfect, but in most circumstances it does its job.
These tracks are not public property. If the band don't want these made public, then its up to Youtube to regulate itself properly and take them down. Otherwise Queen will be suing their arse off, and rightly so.

Point two: artist dies, some years pass. Rights are about to expire - so unscrupulous corporate lawyer has rights extended under company name. Result: exclusive rights stretching out to infinity for some corporate machine with no ties to the original artist whatsoever.

The system is broke. Copyright should be buried and replaced by something just. For starters, it should be impossible for copyright to reside in anything other than a flesh-and-blood person. No company or other anonymous structure should be able to exercise copyright.

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The Disney corporation not only constantly renews expiring copyrights, but has also successfully lobbied and changed US law practically making it impossible for things to fall into the public domain; they keep creating / finding loopholes.

The character of Popeye fell into the public domain in the UK a few years ago (from cigars original thimble theatre comics.), but because the image and name are trademarked by king features it’s still impossible to do anything with the character without permission.

Copyright law really needs to be reviewed, re-written and updated, but get rid of copyright and the average man on the street will not be able to protect his work.

Any way DaverFuller is still in the wrong.

This discussion again?  FFS.

Look, it's all simple - whether you like it or not, NONE of the stuff he posted on YouTube was his to do so.  As emrabt says, it's all owned by Queen, radio stations, TV companies etc.  And there was NOTHING that Dave Fuller had on YouTube that isn't available elsewhere.  FFS, most of us have it all already anyway.  I know that is not right legally, but it's fact.

RE Thomas Quinn's point - that's ESP's fault.  They opened the door to that, so the companies who latched on done nothing wrong.

It's a shame, really... I hope he has a back-up.  I agree with the official stuff being deleted, but the whole channel sounds kind of absurd. There is/was quite a lot of interesting little stuff on his channel, some stuff I didn't even have, and stuff that a Queen fan would want to listen to, but might not know where to obtain it all. What he did - official stuff aside - was really generous in my eyes, he was planting the Queen seed to lesser Queen fans.

A lot of copyright law is bullshit - or at the very least, the implementation is.  The measures that are taken to protect rights are usually counterproductive, short-sighted, and a massive pain in the arse to the WRONG people - the ones that really aren't doing anything wrong.  If you approach this as a moral discussion, then yep - copyright lawyers should, en masse, be lined up and shot because they're good for nothing and they're costing more money than 'piracy' ever will.  

Spend five minutes looking at the fine print and you'll quickly realise that this shit isn't being done in the interests of the artists - copyright protection and anti-piracy is just an obscene, self-sustaining side effect of what the music industry has become; a sideshow to a sideshow.  I feel like I'm being patronising by even saying this, though, because anyone with a brain stem could figure it out themselves.  *sigh*

However, even if you approach this from a purely moral standpoint, Dave R Fuller was still in the wrong.  He was not just offering rarities that we can't buy on shelves, in some noble sacrifice of his spare time - he had things on his channel that can be easily bought.  There were things on his channel that I for one have paid good money to listen to.  Anyone viewing his videos could do the same.  If you have internet, then you have the money to pay for music.  He was, in very simple terms, asking to get his arse kicked.

Regardless of how you feel on the subject, no one has any right to complain.  If you liked his videos, you could have downloaded them.  Sucks to be you for not looking up keepvid.com