> As far as I know, it's mostly rumours..
No, it's not. It's been confirmed by Dr Wig on a 95 (or 96) FC Mag.
Sebastian
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rhyeking
In many ways, and I'm not talking about him dying, Freddie himself set the tone for would become MIH. The two wholly original songs we've identified, "'A Winter's Tale" and "Mother Love" carry a great emotional weight. If what Seb said earlier, that the band (including Freddie) had agreed to employ "Too Much Love Will Kill You," is correct, then the foundation was set by 1991 for the direction this album would take, including its themes (hope and struggle in the face what is overwhelming).
Looking at what we know is in the vault, setting aside B-sides and Solo tracks that didn't start as Queen songs, here's what they could've used:
Silver Salmon
Polar Bear
Feelings
Hangman
Feelings, Feelings
It's A Beautiful Day
Sandbox (Instrumental)
Sex Show
There Must Be More To Life Than This
Take Another Piece Of My Heart
Man-Man Paradise
Love Kills
Let Me In (Your Heart Again)
I Guess We're Falling Out
Too Much Love Will Kill You
Face It Alone
Dog With A Bone
Robbery
Self-Made Man
My Secret Fantasy
Assassin
Some of the early ones likely don't exist in multi-track form, which would make it difficult (impossible?) to properly isolate the vocals. Others are far from complete in terms of a finished vocal by Freddie.
One solution would be to complete these songs with Brian and Roger on vocals, but how much of that would the fans accept? Some fans might complain that these become little more than Brian and Roger songs with Freddie sprinkled throughout just to have him in there.
What we got were 2 mostly finished songs by Freddie (AWT and ML), 2 previously unfinished demos (LML & IABD), 1 complete unused song from The Miracle session, 1 Miracle B-side with a new backing track, 2 FM solo songs with a new backing track, 1 Cross song with a new backing track and 2 David Richards productions (YDFM & IABD Reprise).
These are just rambling thoughts, not really any opinion, nor am I suggesting what they *should* have done. I'm just looking at the possibilities.
Looking at what we know is in the vault, setting aside B-sides and Solo tracks that didn't start as Queen songs, here's what they could've used:
Silver Salmon
Polar Bear
Feelings
Hangman
Feelings, Feelings
It's A Beautiful Day
Sandbox (Instrumental)
Sex Show
There Must Be More To Life Than This
Take Another Piece Of My Heart
Man-Man Paradise
Love Kills
Let Me In (Your Heart Again)
I Guess We're Falling Out
Too Much Love Will Kill You
Face It Alone
Dog With A Bone
Robbery
Self-Made Man
My Secret Fantasy
Assassin
Some of the early ones likely don't exist in multi-track form, which would make it difficult (impossible?) to properly isolate the vocals. Others are far from complete in terms of a finished vocal by Freddie.
One solution would be to complete these songs with Brian and Roger on vocals, but how much of that would the fans accept? Some fans might complain that these become little more than Brian and Roger songs with Freddie sprinkled throughout just to have him in there.
What we got were 2 mostly finished songs by Freddie (AWT and ML), 2 previously unfinished demos (LML & IABD), 1 complete unused song from The Miracle session, 1 Miracle B-side with a new backing track, 2 FM solo songs with a new backing track, 1 Cross song with a new backing track and 2 David Richards productions (YDFM & IABD Reprise).
These are just rambling thoughts, not really any opinion, nor am I suggesting what they *should* have done. I'm just looking at the possibilities.
malicedoom
OK, as I've never heard of these yet, what are the following songs?:
Silver Salmon, Polar Bear, Hangman, Sex Show, Face It Alone, Robbery
Silver Salmon, Polar Bear, Hangman, Sex Show, Face It Alone, Robbery
rhyeking
malicedoom wrote: OK, as I've never heard of these yet, what are the following songs?:
Silver Salmon, Polar Bear, Hangman, Sex Show, Face It Alone, Robbery
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They're unreleased studio recordings.
SS, PB & HM are from their earliest days (between '71 & '72). Leaked copies of the first two are floating around. Supposedly there's a "Hangman" acetate privately owned, of which Queen has a copy, and there are a few live bootleg versions kicking around.
"Sex Show" dates from the earliest Hot Space sessions (which gave us "Under Pressure," "Cool Cat" and "Soul Brother"). A fragment is played live at the Montreal concert in 1981 just before "Keep Yourself Alive" and on the DVD commentary, Brian says they did record it.
"Face It Alone" dates from The Miracle sessions and "Robbery" is from the Innuendo sessions.
Silver Salmon, Polar Bear, Hangman, Sex Show, Face It Alone, Robbery
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They're unreleased studio recordings.
SS, PB & HM are from their earliest days (between '71 & '72). Leaked copies of the first two are floating around. Supposedly there's a "Hangman" acetate privately owned, of which Queen has a copy, and there are a few live bootleg versions kicking around.
"Sex Show" dates from the earliest Hot Space sessions (which gave us "Under Pressure," "Cool Cat" and "Soul Brother"). A fragment is played live at the Montreal concert in 1981 just before "Keep Yourself Alive" and on the DVD commentary, Brian says they did record it.
"Face It Alone" dates from The Miracle sessions and "Robbery" is from the Innuendo sessions.
br5946
rhyeking - "It's not like they weren't both doing solo stuff at the time". I take you've forgotten about Back to the Light and Blue Rock then? Two albums which are FULL of treasures. For Back to the Light, the title track, Resurrection, TMLWKY, Driven By You, I'm Scared, Last Horizon, LYHRYH, Just One Life and Rollin' Over SHINE on that record. As for Blue Rock... The Cross are masters! Look at New Dark Ages, Dirty Mind, Ain't Put Nothing Down, Put It All Down to Love (which is probably the FINEST song on that album and one of the greatest Cross tunes EVER), Hand of Fools and Life Changes! How can you skim over those two albums so carelessly?
Sebastian
Are you irony impaired?
rhyeking
br5946 wrote: rhyeking - "It's not like they weren't both doing solo stuff at the time". I take you've forgotten about Back to the Light and Blue Rock then? Two albums which are FULL of treasures. For Back to the Light, the title track, Resurrection, TMLWKY, Driven By You, I'm Scared, Last Horizon, LYHRYH, Just One Life and Rollin' Over SHINE on that record. As for Blue Rock... The Cross are masters! Look at New Dark Ages, Dirty Mind, Ain't Put Nothing Down, Put It All Down to Love (which is probably the FINEST song on that album and one of the greatest Cross tunes EVER), Hand of Fools and Life Changes! How can you skim over those two albums so carelessly?
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Huh?
"It's NOT like they WEREN'T both doing solo stuff at the time"...that's a double negative (grammatically equaling a positive), which is a subtle way of acknowledging that yes, they were doing solo stuff at the time. The two "nots" cancel each other out.
More precisely, I'm qualifying that Roger and Brian not recording solo material is not the case. They *were* recording solo material and some of it could have been directed at Made In Heaven at the time.
I know English grammar isn't everyone's strong suit, but I learned this in, like, the 3rd grade. I'm not trying to sound condescending, I'm just saying I thought most people, unless they don't speak English well, would get what I was saying.
And I agree 100% that those tracks and those albums are pure gold and any one of them would sound great as Queen songs, that's why I brought up that they could have employed a few of them on MIH instead of the solo albums (which is not to say I think they *should* have, only that it was an option).
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Huh?
"It's NOT like they WEREN'T both doing solo stuff at the time"...that's a double negative (grammatically equaling a positive), which is a subtle way of acknowledging that yes, they were doing solo stuff at the time. The two "nots" cancel each other out.
More precisely, I'm qualifying that Roger and Brian not recording solo material is not the case. They *were* recording solo material and some of it could have been directed at Made In Heaven at the time.
I know English grammar isn't everyone's strong suit, but I learned this in, like, the 3rd grade. I'm not trying to sound condescending, I'm just saying I thought most people, unless they don't speak English well, would get what I was saying.
And I agree 100% that those tracks and those albums are pure gold and any one of them would sound great as Queen songs, that's why I brought up that they could have employed a few of them on MIH instead of the solo albums (which is not to say I think they *should* have, only that it was an option).
alan martin
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Battler
What I'd like to see as a bonus to the Made In Heaven re-release, is for one, the rumored 1986 version of "Heaven For Everyone" from the A Kind Of Magic album sessions, if such was ever recorded. ;)
Sebastian
The rumour's been debunked several times.
HFE was born as a Cross song, not as a Queen song, and was recorded long after AKOM had been finished, packed and released.
HFE was born as a Cross song, not as a Queen song, and was recorded long after AKOM had been finished, packed and released.
cmsdrums
Wasn't HFE written for Joan Armatrading to sing? Would that have been as a guest on Shove It or for her own release?
Sebastian
Good point. Have you got more info on that?
SimonFerocious
Made In Heaven is a ragbag of stuff thrown together from different periods of Queen's career and even includes some of Freddie's solo stuff. Most importantly, it doesn't have the perfectionism of Freddie behind it and the joined-up thinking that made each Queen album unique and fresh. It's not an album I listen to much as most if is on Greatest Hits III anyway.
As for bonus tracks, they may give us the original 1989 version of My Life Has Been Saved. It was the B-side of Scandal when it came out in October that year. There were some very good dance remixes of You Don't Fool Me out at the time as well that are worth a listen and could be included in the set too.
As for bonus tracks, they may give us the original 1989 version of My Life Has Been Saved. It was the B-side of Scandal when it came out in October that year. There were some very good dance remixes of You Don't Fool Me out at the time as well that are worth a listen and could be included in the set too.
4 x Vision
I always thought Sex Show was just some jammin they did before that gig at the soundcheck and they merged it into KYA?
Would have made for a fantastic title though.... although it may have brought about their demise in America four years premature!
(Queen At Montreal... Freddie sings... "oh oh oh my baby baby... sex...")
Mum, "What you listening to Timmy?
Little Timmy, "Sex Show"
Mum, "A sex show, come here you.... (SKELP SKELP)".
Little Timmy, "BOO HOO BOO HOO, not A sex show... Queen's Sex Show"
Mum, "OMG! that's even worse.... Monarchy Porn.... SKELP SKELP"
Would have made for a fantastic title though.... although it may have brought about their demise in America four years premature!
(Queen At Montreal... Freddie sings... "oh oh oh my baby baby... sex...")
Mum, "What you listening to Timmy?
Little Timmy, "Sex Show"
Mum, "A sex show, come here you.... (SKELP SKELP)".
Little Timmy, "BOO HOO BOO HOO, not A sex show... Queen's Sex Show"
Mum, "OMG! that's even worse.... Monarchy Porn.... SKELP SKELP"
cmsdrums
Sebastian wrote: Good point. Have you got more info on that?
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I definitely, defintitely remember an interview with Roger that stated that he wrote Heaven For Everyone for Joan Armatrading to sing, but she said she didn't like it. Now, I don't know which of the following it is;
1) he wrote it specifically for her, but then used it for The Cross when she turned it down
2) he wrote it for The Cross but for her to be a guest vocalist on, but sang it himself/got Freddie to sign it when she turned it down
On a related point, can you tell me if Roger's vocal take was done first for HFE with Freddie's after, or vice versa? Cheers.
I also can't remember if it was a print interview, a fan club magazine piece, or a video interview, but I will check my papers at home and see if I can stumble across it. I do recall a free magazine for musicians in the UK called 'Making Music' had a cover feature on Roger/The Cross as promotion for Shove It, and a two page spread interview with him inside - it may have come from that; I still have the article so wll dig it out.
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I definitely, defintitely remember an interview with Roger that stated that he wrote Heaven For Everyone for Joan Armatrading to sing, but she said she didn't like it. Now, I don't know which of the following it is;
1) he wrote it specifically for her, but then used it for The Cross when she turned it down
2) he wrote it for The Cross but for her to be a guest vocalist on, but sang it himself/got Freddie to sign it when she turned it down
On a related point, can you tell me if Roger's vocal take was done first for HFE with Freddie's after, or vice versa? Cheers.
I also can't remember if it was a print interview, a fan club magazine piece, or a video interview, but I will check my papers at home and see if I can stumble across it. I do recall a free magazine for musicians in the UK called 'Making Music' had a cover feature on Roger/The Cross as promotion for Shove It, and a two page spread interview with him inside - it may have come from that; I still have the article so wll dig it out.