Two threads about a dead singer, but nothing about the biggest Scandinavian mass shooting since WWII. Same thing on facebook. Dozens of people on my friend's list have posted about Amy Winehouse, but nothing about Norway. But I'm not the least bit surprised. When ever will we get our priorities straight in this world?
Here are my thoughts..
The killer (whom the media is still calling a "suspect" for good measure) is a CHRISTIAN TERRORIST. But in the media, and even in public, you can't say that.
The day before the shootings, the youth movement (labour party) denounced the Israeli occupation of Gaza, and they also put their voices behind the upcoming UN vote on recognizing a Palestinian state. The killer was a Christian Zionist who said he wanted a revolution, so we can easily put two and two together here. But the media won't do that for you - you have to do it yourself.
Less than 1% of recent European terrorism acts and attempts are related to Islam, while most are related to separatists (source - http://www.consilium.europa.eu/uedocs/cmsUpload/TE-SAT%202010.pdf) - but it's only Islamic terrorism that the media preaches about. But this time it's a Christian terrorist. Timothy McVeigh was a Christian terrorist too, and the media covered that one up. Ten bucks says the same will happen here.
On that cheerful note, looking forward to everyone's thoughts on this pretty substantial situation.
david (galashiels) · Member since
again,religion seems to be at the heart of the norway tragedy. seems we cant have a peacefull world,such a massive loss of life,and all so young. even countrys like norway seem to have religion troubles.. on the other matter,,,,,never liked her or her music.. and was a car crash waiting to happen.. and giving her god like status on the news,rubish. on a news report i saw,there were flowers laid along with bottle of vodka and malibu..........sums her up.
Mr Mercury · Member since
SKy news said that the "suspect" was infact a Neo-nazi and that he will explain his decisions in court. Either way, he is still an evil bastard.
The Real Wizard · Member since
Perfect, a convenient cover-up ... the word Nazi will get people's attention and the lies will begin.
Holly2003 · Member since
Sir GH wrote: Two threads about a dead singer, but nothing about the biggest Scandinavian mass shooting since WWII. Same thing on facebook. Dozens of people on my friend's list have posted about Amy Winehouse, but nothing about Norway. But I'm not the least bit surprised. When ever will we get our priorities straight in this world?
Here are my thoughts..
The killer (whom the media is still calling a "suspect" for good measure) is a CHRISTIAN TERRORIST. But in the media, and even in public, you can't say that.
The day before the shootings, the youth movement (labour party) denounced the Israeli occupation of Gaza, and they also put their voices behind the upcoming UN vote on recognizing a Palestinian state. The killer was a Christian Zionist who said he wanted a revolution, so we can easily put two and two together here. But the media won't do that for you - you have to do it yourself.
Less than 1% of recent European terrorism acts and attempts are related to Islam, while most are related to separatists (source - http://www.consilium.europa.eu/uedocs/cmsUpload/TE-SAT%202010.pdf) - but it's only Islamic terrorism that the media preaches about. But this time it's a Christian terrorist. Timothy McVeigh was a Christian terrorist too, and the media covered that one up. Ten bucks says the same will happen here.
On that cheerful note, looking forward to everyone's thoughts on this pretty substantial situation. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
There has been huge coverage of this on UK television and while, at first, analysts thought this was another Mumbai (Islamic fundamentalist terror is real and not a media conspiracy) very quickly it was reported that the killer is a fundamentalist Christian who is anti-Islamic and against the multiculturalism that defines many European countries including Norway. I respect your suspicion of the media but in this case media coverage has been, I think, fair.
JoxerTheDeityPirate · Member since
so,whats the difference between a christian fundamentalist and an islamic fundamentalist?
if it was the latter,the US would already be invading the country by now or at least making military threats and imposing sanctions...double standards as usual,cant go against the god squad.
The Real Wizard · Member since
Holly2003 wrote:
There has been huge coverage of this on UK television and while, at first, analysts thought this was another Mumbai (Islamic fundamentalist terror is real and not a media conspiracy) very quickly it was reported that the killer is a fundamentalist Christian who is anti-Islamic and against the multiculturalism that defines many European countries including Norway. I respect your suspicion of the media but in this case media coverage has been, I think, fair.
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I guess the difference is I'm in Canada - one of Israel's last few allies.
YourValentine · Member since
The media coverage of the tragedy in Norway is quite extensive here - while the death of Amy Winehouse was just a headline. All sports events over the weekend started with minutes of silence for the victims in Oslo - football players wore black ribbons yesterday and today. All European leaders sent messages of condolence and solidarity to the people of Norway after this unbelievably cruel terror attack.
Apparently the suspect released a 1500 pages "manifest" describing his totally crazed and maniac "ideology" to the internet as well as a 12 minute video on YouTube. I understand that both the manifest and the video were deleted from the net after the person was identified. The lawyer of the suspect said in Nowegian TV that he does not understand the "confusing" statements of his client and is totally unable to describe the thought process of the person. From what we learn it seems that he is anti-Muslim, anti-Socialist, anti-multicultural, anti-Marxist, anti-Humanistic, anti-global., anti-capitalist. Media reported that he called himself a fundamentalist Christian as well as a Freemason which would exclude each other in my opinion. Apparently he thinks he is a legal successor of the Templars and described himself as the protagonist of the "Western European resistance" - the massacre was designed to inspire as many "nationalist sleepers" as possible. Without rushing to any judgement I think it is very possible that he is a maniac who lived in his own world without any connection to reality.
It is very depressing to read about all this maniac stuff but one thing is for sure: he is not "the devil" as man people write in their blogs - he is a human being coming from the inside the socitey and we have to live with the knowledge that people are capable of such cruelty and can pent up all this hatred without anybody really taking any notice - a very frightening idea.
magicalfreddiemercury · Member since
Holly2003 wrote: There has been huge coverage of this on UK television and while, at first, analysts thought this was another Mumbai (Islamic fundamentalist terror is real and not a media conspiracy) very quickly it was reported that the killer is a fundamentalist Christian who is anti-Islamic and against the multiculturalism that defines many European countries including Norway. I respect your suspicion of the media but in this case media coverage has been, I think, fair.
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It is the same here in the US. Amy Winehouse's death has been a news banner and occasional 'in other news' topic. It's sad but her death was expected. What happened in Norway could not have been imagined, IMO. The news replayed the harrowing images repeatedly and I could swear we were watching footage from 9/11.
You know what's really sad and disturbing? As I spoke to a few people about this right after it happened, when it was assumed that attack was carried out by muslim extremists, one person actually blamed Norway. She said if the government hadn't "coddled" foreigners and their ideals, this wouldn't have happened. This is a person who would never dream of blaming her own country (the US) for 9/11 but Norway is to blame for this. ???
It's gotten to the point where normal and meaningful conversations cannot be had.
This is a tragedy and this man responsible is crazed. How no one can see the downward spiral of people like this is terrifying. But then, to go back to Amy Winehouse, she was a disaster clearly waiting to happen and no one did anything to prevent that either.
catqueen · Member since
Sir GH wrote: Two threads about a dead singer, but nothing about the biggest Scandinavian mass shooting since WWII. Same thing on facebook. Dozens of people on my friend's list have posted about Amy Winehouse, but nothing about Norway. But I'm not the least bit surprised. When ever will we get our priorities straight in this world?
Here are my thoughts..
The killer (whom the media is still calling a "suspect" for good measure) is a CHRISTIAN TERRORIST. But in the media, and even in public, you can't say that.
The day before the shootings, the youth movement (labour party) denounced the Israeli occupation of Gaza, and they also put their voices behind the upcoming UN vote on recognizing a Palestinian state. The killer was a Christian Zionist who said he wanted a revolution, so we can easily put two and two together here. But the media won't do that for you - you have to do it yourself.
Less than 1% of recent European terrorism acts and attempts are related to Islam, while most are related to separatists (source - http://www.consilium.europa.eu/uedocs/cmsUpload/TE-SAT%202010.pdf) - but it's only Islamic terrorism that the media preaches about. But this time it's a Christian terrorist. Timothy McVeigh was a Christian terrorist too, and the media covered that one up. Ten bucks says the same will happen here.
On that cheerful note, looking forward to everyone's thoughts on this pretty substantial situation.
Good thoughts Sir GH... i thought i was fairly clued into anti-islamic stuff and how unfair that is, but i hadn't thought about it like this. I HAD thought about it that the media were saying (shock! horror!) it wasn't islamic, and i thought that was really racist and strange -- i mean nobody said hey it wasn't an atheist, or it wasn't a buddhist. But was it done under the guise of being on behalf of a religion? I mean, i don't believe that an islamic suicide bomber who claims that they are doing it because of religious reasons is truely following Islam, but that its a corruption of islam, but it has been claimed that it was fighting a holy war blaa blaa. So, is this person claiming the name of christianity as the REASON for doiing it? And as a muslim friend of mine said -- great, so he wasn't from pakistan, he wasn't muslim, clearly the guy who just invaded and shot a ton of people is 'just a madman' not 'a terrorist' cos only WE are called 'terrorists.' If you're not muslim and you shoot someone, your considered crazy, if you are muslim and you shoot someone, well doh, its clearly because of your religion. At least that was the general gist of what he said.
Either way, its a tragedy... A terrible, terrible tragedy. (And btw, it was on my facebook)
john bodega · Member since
I think you guys are ignoring the real issues here - what WAS that guy wearing in those photos that were released of him?? Talk about a fashion nightmare.
Mr Mercury · Member since
Its just been announced through Reuters that the court hearing is to be heard behind closed doors.
magicalfreddiemercury · Member since
[QUOTE] Mr Mercury wrote: Its just been announced through Reuters that the court hearing is to be heard behind closed doors. [/QUOTE] =====
Good. The more attention a person like that wants, the less he should get.
nepcker · Member since
Condolences to all the victims!
pma · Member since
What? So now the zionist Christian was a neo-nazi? What next? Perhaps a report that he was surely an Afro-Centric Muslim... The reports on his political ideology appear highly contradictory, perhaps he was very confused, or the media is.
I am still waiting for the mandatory gun control debate to follow, I am especially waiting for the anti-gun control people to use this as a prime example of how strict gun control is a failure. Perhaps it's just not strict enough?
Let's face it, it all sounds so very plausible to think that if the teenaged girls and boys at Utøya had also been packing heat, our gunman would have been gunned down by someone... Nordic countries need to face reality and the official birthday present given to every newborn baby should be a 9 mm handgun.
Edit. Should have looked at Fauxnews first... No word on gun control though.
