... and that it underestimates his skill as a songwriter when it's assumed he's writing about himself. ======================
It does no such thing. Leaning towards one explanation hardly limits the possibilities of any other. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
If Freddie created this character purely from his imagination, it speaks volumes toward his ability as a songwriter. Underestimating his skill comes from assuming the only way he could write such a moving song is by making it autobiographical.
Put another way, if Freddie could objectively create a work as moving as this without casting himself as the main character, does that not represent high degree of songwriting ability?
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Nobody has ever suggested that the only way he could write such a moving song is by making it autobiographical. Ever. Because that would be dumb. It's a bit like saying that because you believe the song was a rich fictional creation you underestimate Fred's ability to tap into his own emotion and life events to weave a well camouflaged tale of a vivid human experience. Nobody would assume you don't think him capable, they'd just assume you've come to a different conclusion.
And to nobody in particular, this is the second time in recent days that a newish poster has brought this topic to the board and been pretty much spanked and/or insulted for it. A new poster would have no reason to expect it wouldn't be a good contribution that would make interesting conversation. I think people who want to bring substantial things to the board should be encouraged and welcomed, whether it's old hat for some or not.
ZBGM0 · Member since
I agree with GratefulFan. I really didn’t try to do anything bad, I just thought it might be interesting. If I knew the reaction I wouldn’t post it in the first place. Lostman says this’s shit…ok, maybe it is, but can’t you pick any other words like: “I disagree, I think it’s a fictional character…” And if this’s shit than at least explain why, so I will know more about it and next time I will not post such incoherent posts anymore. There is no reason for anybody being hostile. I know that we will never find out what was Freddie thinking when he was writing the song, but I believe there is nothing wrong if somebody tries to analyse the song – it will never give you the final result, but at least it’s fun. Now it looks like this fellow has done something very bad, because he was trying to understand the song (doesn’t matter if he’s wrong). At least he showed respect to the song, he probably needed quite some time to do all the research.
And one more thing: it is (very) stupid to say that if Freddie was describing himself or his thoughts in Boh Rhap that this depreciates his ability of songwriting. Our greatest poet in history (from our country) also did many poesy, where he described his own life, his own dark thoughts, his disunion (being this or being something else) – he is known as the best poet of our nation… And writing poetry and lyrics for songs can be very similar sometimes. So, even if Freddie was describing himself, he wrote amazing lyric – he didn’t described his thoughts literally, but it is well coded with amazing metaphors. Somebody said that Freddie wasn’t stupid enough to make it obvious – off course he wasn’t. Even if it is about being homosexual, it is NOT obvious and will NEVER be, because he enveloped it with metaphors that are very confused and enable many different interpretations. It is impossible to conclude anything.
Hangman_96 · Member since
ZBGM0 wrote: I agree with GratefulFan. I really didn’t try to do anything bad, I just thought it might be interesting. If I knew the reaction I wouldn’t post it in the first place. Lostman says this’s shit…ok, maybe it is, but can’t you pick any other words like: “I disagree, I think it’s a fictional character…” And if this’s shit than at least explain why, so I will know more about it and next time I will not post such incoherent posts anymore. There is no reason for anybody being hostile. I know that we will never find out what was Freddie thinking when he was writing the song, but I believe there is nothing wrong if somebody tries to analyse the song – it will never give you the final result, but at least it’s fun. Now it looks like this fellow has done something very bad, because he was trying to understand the song (doesn’t matter if he’s wrong). At least he showed respect to the song, he probably needed quite some time to do all the research.
And one more thing: it is (very) stupid to say that if Freddie was describing himself or his thoughts in Boh Rhap that this depreciates his ability of songwriting. Our greatest poet in history (from our country) also did many poesy, where he described his own life, his own dark thoughts, his disunion (being this or being something else) – he is known as the best poet of our nation… And writing poetry and lyrics for songs can be very similar sometimes. So, even if Freddie was describing himself, he wrote amazing lyric – he didn’t described his thoughts literally, but it is well coded with amazing metaphors. Somebody said that Freddie wasn’t stupid enough to make it obvious – off course he wasn’t. Even if it is about being homosexual, it is NOT obvious and will NEVER be, because he enveloped it with metaphors that are very confused and enable many different interpretations. It is impossible to conclude anything. =================================================================
I'm sorry, I just aired my opinion. Or maybe it's prohibited for me to air opinions, isn't it?
"And if this’s shit than at least explain why"
Well, when I looked at it I saw such words like "AIDS", "gay", etc. Can you please tell me, what the hell it was? He judges Freddie's private life and finds its references in his songs? It seems that the guy, who made this interpretation is obsessed with all these facts, right?
I'm not the one who discusses Freddie's private life. I'm just listening to his music and being a very huge fan. Freddie is a hero for me, but I don't like these points when discussions lead into talking about the fact of his homosexuality. Yes, he was gay. I don't understand what do some people find such awful in this fact.
I hope you understand that all.
ITSM · Member since
I came across this a couple of weeks ago. It suggests that maybe Freddie Mercury was invited to the Bohemian Grove in California one summer, and that he was frightned by the the things he saw there.
It also says that the We Will Rock You musical has a lot of symbols from the Illuminati.
The picture of Freddie in the black and white leotard, is like he's a one of the "chessmen" on a chess board, and maybe that's why they called the band Queen (like the ones on a chess board).
Lostman wrote: ZBGM0 wrote: I agree with GratefulFan. I really didn’t try to do anything bad, I just thought it might be interesting. If I knew the reaction I wouldn’t post it in the first place. Lostman says this’s shit…ok, maybe it is, but can’t you pick any other words like: “I disagree, I think it’s a fictional character…” And if this’s shit than at least explain why, so I will know more about it and next time I will not post such incoherent posts anymore. There is no reason for anybody being hostile. I know that we will never find out what was Freddie thinking when he was writing the song, but I believe there is nothing wrong if somebody tries to analyse the song – it will never give you the final result, but at least it’s fun. Now it looks like this fellow has done something very bad, because he was trying to understand the song (doesn’t matter if he’s wrong). At least he showed respect to the song, he probably needed quite some time to do all the research.
And one more thing: it is (very) stupid to say that if Freddie was describing himself or his thoughts in Boh Rhap that this depreciates his ability of songwriting. Our greatest poet in history (from our country) also did many poesy, where he described his own life, his own dark thoughts, his disunion (being this or being something else) – he is known as the best poet of our nation… And writing poetry and lyrics for songs can be very similar sometimes. So, even if Freddie was describing himself, he wrote amazing lyric – he didn’t described his thoughts literally, but it is well coded with amazing metaphors. Somebody said that Freddie wasn’t stupid enough to make it obvious – off course he wasn’t. Even if it is about being homosexual, it is NOT obvious and will NEVER be, because he enveloped it with metaphors that are very confused and enable many different interpretations. It is impossible to conclude anything. =================================================================
I'm sorry, I just aired my opinion. Or maybe it's prohibited for me to air opinions, isn't it?
"And if this’s shit than at least explain why"
Well, when I looked at it I saw such words like "AIDS", "gay", etc. Can you please tell me, what the hell it was? He judges Freddie's private life and finds its references in his songs? It seems that the guy, who made this interpretation is obsessed with all these facts, right?
I'm not the one who discusses Freddie's private life. I'm just listening to his music and being a very huge fan. Freddie is a hero for me, but I don't like these points when discussions lead into talking about the fact of his homosexuality. Yes, he was gay. I don't understand what do some people find such awful in this fact.
I hope you understand that all.
I understand you very well. I also hate when people judge him because he was what he was and I also don’t care abut his personal life, but I don’t think this fellow (who made interpretation) judged Freddie’s private life, he just probably couldn’t think any other explanation, probably because it was written in 1975 which was a turning point in Freddie’s personal life – this was exactly the year when Freddie was realizing what he really is. Freddie is also my hero but even if he was describing himself in this song I don’t really care, this doesn’t change anything, nothing at all. Nothing changes the fact that he was the greatest frontman and best vocalist of popular music, and the fact is all I care. Again: I didn’t know this is not a good topic for this forum.
GratefulFan · Member since
ZBGM0 wrote:
Again: I didn’t know this is not a good topic for this forum.
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Don't have time for more just now, but wanted to say it's a perfectly fine topic for this forum. As Holly2003 pointed out to you, don't let a limited response from a handful of people dissuade you from bringing up whatever interests you. A contentious topic is not always the most comfortable thing, but often produces some of the most worthwhile conversation.
Hangman_96 · Member since
ZBGM0 wrote:
I understand you very well. I also hate when people judge him because he was what he was and I also don’t care abut his personal life, but I don’t think this fellow (who made interpretation) judged Freddie’s private life, he just probably couldn’t think any other explanation, probably because it was written in 1975 which was a turning point in Freddie’s personal life – this was exactly the year when Freddie was realizing what he really is. Freddie is also my hero but even if he was describing himself in this song I don’t really care, this doesn’t change anything, nothing at all. Nothing changes the fact that he was the greatest frontman and best vocalist of popular music, and the fact is all I care. Again: I didn’t know this is not a good topic for this forum. ===================================================================================
I didn't say it's not a good topic for this forum. It's a good topic because it gives our forum a life of discussion. You mustn't listen to me, nor to other people. We're just users and all we do is air our opinions. This is your own deal and you can create topics whichever you like. Again, I'm not a moderator. Do it for your own good.
GratefulFan · Member since
Lostman wrote:
I'm sorry, I just aired my opinion. Or maybe it's prohibited for me to air opinions, isn't it?
"And if this’s shit than at least explain why"
Well, when I looked at it I saw such words like "AIDS", "gay", etc. Can you please tell me, what the hell it was? He judges Freddie's private life and finds its references in his songs? It seems that the guy, who made this interpretation is obsessed with all these facts, right?
I'm not the one who discusses Freddie's private life. I'm just listening to his music and being a very huge fan. Freddie is a hero for me, but I don't like these points when discussions lead into talking about the fact of his homosexuality. Yes, he was gay. I don't understand what do some people find such awful in this fact.
I hope you understand that all.
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Once again, I'll point out that people only seem to get in a tizzy about Fred's 'private life'. The fundamental fact that he was 1) gay and 2) a victim of a terrible disease are about as probing as noting that Brian is straight, was married to one woman and is now married to another one instead. All things which Brian has written and sung about, and all things which have miraculously been noted and discussed at an equally superficial level without people flipping out about Brian's 'private life'. The people in the moral panic about Fred's 'privacy' about something as common and inoffensive as homosexuality, and something as crushing and relevant as AIDS, are the ones that have the gay issues as far as I can tell.
QueenzonerBuddy · Member since
This so-called interesting interpretation, nothing more than to show that Freddie encoded in the song the story of his homosexuality, and how he became gay. why Bohemian Rhapsody became key for research? Freddie never publicly admitted his homosexuality, instead, according to researchers, he decided to tell about this in song of millennium. Is this not nonsense?
GratefulFan · Member since
Something caught my ear when I was listening to my recording of the recent Absolute Radio special. It may be mildly interesting in an unconsciously revealing king of way, or it may be absurdly tenuous, but I thought I'd mention it. Most of us will recall Freddie characterizing himself in an interview as "a man of extremes". In the recent radio doc he is heard describing Bo Rhap as "a song of extremes". A quick search through a pdf version of 'In His Own Words' that I have seems to possibly indicate that the only on the record use of that phrase relates to himself, that song, and ANTAO as a whole. Telling? Maybe not. Interesting? I think so. :)
