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When I was a kid, my parents decided to use the smack method. :)
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Hangman_96
Yes, it's right to smack kids, because they're way too annoying. But don't even think to smack them when they behave good, simply because their parents will cut your head off.
catqueen
Djdownsy wrote: Technically, it's alright to smack a child on the hand or their bum, because they feel pain, which they would associate with something wrong no doubt, but it's only temporary pain, it doesn't leave physical or emotional damage..what I mean by emotional is their reaction to it in the future, a child who gets a smack on the hand for doing something wrong isn't going to remember the slap by the next day; a child who gets battered around and beaten to a pulp for no reason from one or both of their parents, well.......
Did you mean alright or legal? Technically in Ireland you can have 'reasonable' discipline (can't remember the exact words). That's normally interpreted as its ok to smack a little. So technically, the general benchmark is if it leaves a mark (which i have huge problems with, cos u can do a LOT of damage without leaving a mark. I have a friend who used to work in this residential place in another country and they used to pinch the kids nails cos they weren't allowed to leave marks, but that can do huge damage to the person's nailbed. Also, its pretty much impossible to quantify emotional harm in a court unless there has been massive abuse.) I think you can smack a child inappropriately on the hand/bum, esp if they are older - like over toddler age.
Its a hard one to call cos it really depends on the circumstances and context of the smack. I probably would smack my child if i ever have kids, and obviously the social 'normal' way here is hand/bum but i think smacking would be the exception rather then a regular occurrence. Having said that, i know kids can be incredibly annoying and i am but human. :/
Did you mean alright or legal? Technically in Ireland you can have 'reasonable' discipline (can't remember the exact words). That's normally interpreted as its ok to smack a little. So technically, the general benchmark is if it leaves a mark (which i have huge problems with, cos u can do a LOT of damage without leaving a mark. I have a friend who used to work in this residential place in another country and they used to pinch the kids nails cos they weren't allowed to leave marks, but that can do huge damage to the person's nailbed. Also, its pretty much impossible to quantify emotional harm in a court unless there has been massive abuse.) I think you can smack a child inappropriately on the hand/bum, esp if they are older - like over toddler age.
Its a hard one to call cos it really depends on the circumstances and context of the smack. I probably would smack my child if i ever have kids, and obviously the social 'normal' way here is hand/bum but i think smacking would be the exception rather then a regular occurrence. Having said that, i know kids can be incredibly annoying and i am but human. :/
Djdownsy
catqueen wrote:
Did you mean alright or legal? Technically in Ireland you can have 'reasonable' discipline (can't remember the exact words). That's normally interpreted as its ok to smack a little. So technically, the general benchmark is if it leaves a mark (which i have huge problems with, cos u can do a LOT of damage without leaving a mark. I have a friend who used to work in this residential place in another country and they used to pinch the kids nails cos they weren't allowed to leave marks, but that can do huge damage to the person's nailbed. Also, its pretty much impossible to quantify emotional harm in a court unless there has been massive abuse.) I think you can smack a child inappropriately on the hand/bum, esp if they are older - like over toddler age.
Its a hard one to call cos it really depends on the circumstances and context of the smack. I probably would smack my child if i ever have kids, and obviously the social 'normal' way here is hand/bum but i think smacking would be the exception rather then a regular occurrence. Having said that, i know kids can be incredibly annoying and i am but human. :/
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Currently, it is not illegal to smack your child in Ireland, a fact just one third of participants in the study were aware of. Some 42pc felt it should be made illegal while 34pc felt it should remain legal. A further 24pc felt that whether it was made illegal or not should depend on the age of the child. And of the 1,353 parents who were interviewed for the parents’ section of the two studies, 25pc of them admitted to having smacked their children over the past 12 months.
25pc of parents say they have smacked their child in the past 12 months
Most of these parents said that they smacked their child on the bottom, hand or leg
67pc believe there is no harm in giving a child an occasional smack
42pc of parents feel smacking should be banned
48pc of parents have shouted, yelled or swore at a child in the past year
3pc said they shook, grabbed or pushed a child in the past year, either occasionally (1.3pc) or often (1.4pc)
One third of parents reported being hit with a slipper or a similar instrument during childhoods, while their own almost a
quarter smacked or slapped had been on the face, head or ears
64.6pc of parents believe smacking is not necessary to bring up a well-behaved child
Almost 60pc believe parents should have the right to smack their children if they so wish
51.7pc of parents thought smacking was a good reason for stopping a child from doing something dangerous
58pc of parents did not believe smacking was effective in achieving long-term discipline goals
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Well there's your answer Mel, it ain't illegal in this country, you have to admit, the occasional smack isn't much compared to swearing at your child, or even worse, shaking or slapping a child on the face. Some of that is disgraceful to be honest. It just depends of your method for lapping the child, personally, I would only use it as a very last resort, and I defo wont swear at them or put them down emotionally, I'm still shocked at some of those stats.
Did you mean alright or legal? Technically in Ireland you can have 'reasonable' discipline (can't remember the exact words). That's normally interpreted as its ok to smack a little. So technically, the general benchmark is if it leaves a mark (which i have huge problems with, cos u can do a LOT of damage without leaving a mark. I have a friend who used to work in this residential place in another country and they used to pinch the kids nails cos they weren't allowed to leave marks, but that can do huge damage to the person's nailbed. Also, its pretty much impossible to quantify emotional harm in a court unless there has been massive abuse.) I think you can smack a child inappropriately on the hand/bum, esp if they are older - like over toddler age.
Its a hard one to call cos it really depends on the circumstances and context of the smack. I probably would smack my child if i ever have kids, and obviously the social 'normal' way here is hand/bum but i think smacking would be the exception rather then a regular occurrence. Having said that, i know kids can be incredibly annoying and i am but human. :/
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Currently, it is not illegal to smack your child in Ireland, a fact just one third of participants in the study were aware of. Some 42pc felt it should be made illegal while 34pc felt it should remain legal. A further 24pc felt that whether it was made illegal or not should depend on the age of the child. And of the 1,353 parents who were interviewed for the parents’ section of the two studies, 25pc of them admitted to having smacked their children over the past 12 months.
25pc of parents say they have smacked their child in the past 12 months
Most of these parents said that they smacked their child on the bottom, hand or leg
67pc believe there is no harm in giving a child an occasional smack
42pc of parents feel smacking should be banned
48pc of parents have shouted, yelled or swore at a child in the past year
3pc said they shook, grabbed or pushed a child in the past year, either occasionally (1.3pc) or often (1.4pc)
One third of parents reported being hit with a slipper or a similar instrument during childhoods, while their own almost a
quarter smacked or slapped had been on the face, head or ears
64.6pc of parents believe smacking is not necessary to bring up a well-behaved child
Almost 60pc believe parents should have the right to smack their children if they so wish
51.7pc of parents thought smacking was a good reason for stopping a child from doing something dangerous
58pc of parents did not believe smacking was effective in achieving long-term discipline goals
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Well there's your answer Mel, it ain't illegal in this country, you have to admit, the occasional smack isn't much compared to swearing at your child, or even worse, shaking or slapping a child on the face. Some of that is disgraceful to be honest. It just depends of your method for lapping the child, personally, I would only use it as a very last resort, and I defo wont swear at them or put them down emotionally, I'm still shocked at some of those stats.
YourValentine
I think it is totally wrong and inexcusable to hit a child. Wrong to hit a child in anger and wrong to hit a child in cold blood in order to "discipline" them. Luckily, it is now illegal in most European countries for parents to beat their children. For those who are so in favour of hitting children: what exactly are you trying to teach them? That you can be hurt when you "annoy" someone bigger than you and it is therefore better to shut up and surrender to big bullies? Or are you teaching them that violence is the best and fastest method to solve a conflict? The sheer idea that a defenseless child is not safe from abuse by their own parents in their own homes is just sickening. The excuse that children who are not beaten by their parents will grow up to become drug addicts and school dropouts is just a lie and disproven in many studies. Calling it "smacking" and "spanking" instead of hitting and beating is just a attempt to make it sound less harmful. A child has the same right to live unharmed as any adult.
Not all adults who were beaten as kids grow up to become child abusers but ALL child abusers were beaten as a child themselves.
Not all adults who were beaten as kids grow up to become child abusers but ALL child abusers were beaten as a child themselves.
YourValentine
I think it is totally wrong and inexcusable to hit a child. Wrong to hit a child in anger and wrong to hit a child in cold blood in order to "discipline" them. Luckily, it is now illegal in most European countries for parents to beat their children. For those who are so in favour of hitting children: what exactly are you trying to teach them? That you can be hurt when you "annoy" someone bigger than you and it is therefore better to shut up and surrender to big bullies? Or are you teaching them that violence is the best and fastest method to solve a conflict? The sheer idea that a defenseless child is not safe from abuse by their own parents in their own homes is just sickening. The excuse that children who are not beaten by their parents will grow up to become drug addicts and school dropouts is just a lie and disproven in many studies. Calling it "smacking" and "spanking" instead of hitting and beating is just a attempt to make it sound less harmful. A child has the same right to live unharmed as any adult.
Not all adults who were beaten as kids grow up to become child abusers but ALL child abusers were beaten as a child themselves.
Not all adults who were beaten as kids grow up to become child abusers but ALL child abusers were beaten as a child themselves.
Djdownsy
YourValentine wrote: I think it is totally wrong and inexcusable to hit a child. Wrong to hit a child in anger and wrong to hit a child in cold blood in order to "discipline" them. Luckily, it is now illegal in most European countries for parents to beat their children. For those who are so in favour of hitting children: what exactly are you trying to teach them? That you can be hurt when you "annoy" someone bigger than you and it is therefore better to shut up and surrender to big bullies? Or are you teaching them that violence is the best and fastest method to solve a conflict? The sheer idea that a defenseless child is not safe from abuse by their own parents in their own homes is just sickening. The excuse that children who are not beaten by their parents will grow up to become drug addicts and school dropouts is just a lie and disproven in many studies. Calling it "smacking" and "spanking" instead of hitting and beating is just a attempt to make it sound less harmful. A child has the same right to live unharmed as any adult.
Not all adults who were beaten as kids grow up to become child abusers but ALL child abusers were beaten as a child themselves.
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That's a little extreme do you not think? Yes, child abuse is a terrible thing, believe me, I know, but there's a lot more to abuse than just physical, there's neglect, emotional, sexual..... do you not think these are way worse?
Besides, I don't think this topic is actually about Abuse per-say, it is about spanking a child, which is a far cry from abuse in my opinion. My parents both spanked me if I was out of line, does that mean they are child abusers? No, of course it doesn't.
So long as the spanking is in a place where the child won't be left with a mark or withstanding pain, ie. hand, bum and it is done for the right reason, and not just done in temper, then I think it's ok, it's only my opinion, and I can understand if people don't agree with it, but saying it leads to abuse isn't right, it doesn't, that happens for totally different reasons.
Not all adults who were beaten as kids grow up to become child abusers but ALL child abusers were beaten as a child themselves.
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That's a little extreme do you not think? Yes, child abuse is a terrible thing, believe me, I know, but there's a lot more to abuse than just physical, there's neglect, emotional, sexual..... do you not think these are way worse?
Besides, I don't think this topic is actually about Abuse per-say, it is about spanking a child, which is a far cry from abuse in my opinion. My parents both spanked me if I was out of line, does that mean they are child abusers? No, of course it doesn't.
So long as the spanking is in a place where the child won't be left with a mark or withstanding pain, ie. hand, bum and it is done for the right reason, and not just done in temper, then I think it's ok, it's only my opinion, and I can understand if people don't agree with it, but saying it leads to abuse isn't right, it doesn't, that happens for totally different reasons.
ParisNair
I think sometimes spanking is necessary...not just for kids, but wives too...just kidding ;-)
Seriously, kids may not be able to differentiate good from bad at their age and some strictness may be required on the part of the parents. When they grow up, they'll appreciate it (in my opinion and experience).
Seriously, kids may not be able to differentiate good from bad at their age and some strictness may be required on the part of the parents. When they grow up, they'll appreciate it (in my opinion and experience).
pma
Yes, a man has the right to discipline his subordinates and property... Oh wait, its not the nineteenth century anymore, and even back then more and more people were against punishing children physically. It amazes me how many people use flawed rhetoric (a child's brain is not mature enough to undestand any consequences, that's why we smack them... etc etc), and fail to admit that their habit of corporeal punishment is merely them abusing children, abusing their power over a helpless victim and abusing the power and influence they have on a minor.
It's also sickening how a large number of people in my country seem to accept child abuse of this kind, and even defend it publicly in a vehement manner. Sickening degeneration in the year 2011. If we smack our kids, let's smack our co-workers, friends, online acquaintances, and anyone else who may at any time disobey, or simply pisses us off at any given moment.
The gift of violence should not be limited to the helpless and feeble, it belongs to everyone,
It's also sickening how a large number of people in my country seem to accept child abuse of this kind, and even defend it publicly in a vehement manner. Sickening degeneration in the year 2011. If we smack our kids, let's smack our co-workers, friends, online acquaintances, and anyone else who may at any time disobey, or simply pisses us off at any given moment.
The gift of violence should not be limited to the helpless and feeble, it belongs to everyone,
thomasquinn 32989
I think TS's spelling and general language skills are convincing evidence of the harm caused by "smacking kids".
paulosham
Like my old dad used to say.
"Laugh and the world laughs with you. Cry and I'll give you something to cry about you little bastard."
"Laugh and the world laughs with you. Cry and I'll give you something to cry about you little bastard."
catqueen
paulosham wrote: Like my old dad used to say.
"Laugh and the world laughs with you. Cry and I'll give you something to cry about you little bastard."
hahaha, i never understood that argument lol
"Laugh and the world laughs with you. Cry and I'll give you something to cry about you little bastard."
hahaha, i never understood that argument lol
catqueen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nn5jlrxcpkI
YourValentine
@ Djdownsy
there is no difference between hitting a child and abusing a child. Calling it "spanking" does not take away anything from the fact that the smallest and most helpless member of a family is not safe from abuse at home. Wife beaters usually claim they beat the wives for some "good " or "right" reason, as well. What can be a "right" reason for hitting a child? When you say parents have to take care they leave no proof on the body of the beaten child it really makes me shudder.
Wife beating, rape and all kind of domestic violence is rightfully illegal and is sanctioned by law. Why the most helpless and dependent member of a family should not have the protection of law is totally beyond me. Children cannot move out and they cannot defend themselves. A child that is entrusted to our love and care should be safe from abuse like any other creature on earth. I really cannot understand how anybody can argue against that in our times.
there is no difference between hitting a child and abusing a child. Calling it "spanking" does not take away anything from the fact that the smallest and most helpless member of a family is not safe from abuse at home. Wife beaters usually claim they beat the wives for some "good " or "right" reason, as well. What can be a "right" reason for hitting a child? When you say parents have to take care they leave no proof on the body of the beaten child it really makes me shudder.
Wife beating, rape and all kind of domestic violence is rightfully illegal and is sanctioned by law. Why the most helpless and dependent member of a family should not have the protection of law is totally beyond me. Children cannot move out and they cannot defend themselves. A child that is entrusted to our love and care should be safe from abuse like any other creature on earth. I really cannot understand how anybody can argue against that in our times.
john bodega
Hehe, tough love. You have to be cruel to be kind sometimes. I like to liven things up a bit when I'm giving my loved ones the bareknuckle treatment to the face. I enjoy doing it while playing "Tall Cool One" very loudly on the stereo. Singing 'lighten up baby I'm in love with you!' while pounding them for disciplinary reasons is really the best way to enforce the rules of the household.
The things we do to teach obedience.
The things we do to teach obedience.