A valid double standard, in my book.
Live albums and studio albums are different. Different 'rules' apply to each.
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can't get the link to work on Brian's site (Expert) . clicked on the whats new tab, but it sends me to January post.
Maybe they realised how rude that message was and how it affected QPL's public image.
Sebastian wrote: Maybe they realised how rude that message was and how it affected QPL's public image.
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Mmmm i can see the message, so they didn`t realised...
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Mmmm i can see the message, so they didn`t realised...
The link on the OP still works.
If that happens to vanish, here's the reply from JSS (no, not that JSS, the other JSS):
**Justin Shirley Smith replied:
Hi António
Good point - I agree - the press release is a little ambiguous in this regard so I am glad of the opportunity to attempt to make it clear. Josh and I have made a new stereo mix of the Friday concert.For the Saturday concert we have used the familiar stereo mix, done in 1991 by Brian Malouf. This mix was intended for CD use only at the time so there was no sync. For the 2003 DVD edition of this show we only had access to the 1991 CD master so Kris synchronised it with the picture. Since that time we have found the original 1991 analogue half-inch stereo mix tapes in LA, so we've had those transferred at high resolution, speed-stabilised and synchronised by Plangent Processes for this edition.Both night's stereo audio have been digitally restored (cleaned up) by Kris, and then mastered and up-mixed by Tim Young.Hope that helps.
Best wishes
Justin
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If that happens to vanish, here's the reply from JSS (no, not that JSS, the other JSS):
**Justin Shirley Smith replied:
Hi António
Good point - I agree - the press release is a little ambiguous in this regard so I am glad of the opportunity to attempt to make it clear. Josh and I have made a new stereo mix of the Friday concert.For the Saturday concert we have used the familiar stereo mix, done in 1991 by Brian Malouf. This mix was intended for CD use only at the time so there was no sync. For the 2003 DVD edition of this show we only had access to the 1991 CD master so Kris synchronised it with the picture. Since that time we have found the original 1991 analogue half-inch stereo mix tapes in LA, so we've had those transferred at high resolution, speed-stabilised and synchronised by Plangent Processes for this edition.Both night's stereo audio have been digitally restored (cleaned up) by Kris, and then mastered and up-mixed by Tim Young.Hope that helps.
Best wishes
Justin
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I really dislike it when websites black hole controversial content. Of course people can control their own sites, but the courteous and professional thing to do is issue a correction or a retraction, not confuse people or make them fear they're possibly losing their minds. Perhaps it's down for just that, or for review, or whatever. It could have just been very dry humour that missed. Anyway, in case anybody is concerned that anybody else is losing their minds, whoever removed it forgot, for now, to remove the part that said "On 27 June 2011 So and So [not sure if cmsdrums wants his real name on QZ forever :) ] wrote:". That is still appearing where it was initally misplaced above the question from the other person. That remains, but the question and reply are gone. I retained a screenshot for posterity, should anyone ever feel a burning need to see it if the site is further edited.
They found the half inch 1991 tape for a 5.1 sound,,, Jeez . I guess the original 2 inch tape multi-track tape from 1986 would have been a better choice (or did they lose that one too ?) Or Queen Productions didn't want to mess with the original mix Brian Malouf created.
Maybe it was easier and cheaper for them to re-use the stereo mixes from 1991 for the Saturday Wembley show, than to make a new mix with all the "needed" overdubs? : )
First up, by the way everyone is talking, I'm guessing they definitely have the multitrack for Wembley, yes? That's confirmed? I Wouldn't be against a remix, coz I've loved what they've done in most cases with the live DVDs. Wembley could be as good, provided they have those multitracks lying around.
Second, the comment about the guitar sound, " And because of that weird, and quite frankly awful guitar tone, Wembley would benefit enormously." I hate to break it to you, but, that will never change. It's NOTHING to do with the mix that was made. It's everything to do with Brian's choice of booster tech on that particular day. As far as I know, he used his usual TB83 booster PLUS a Line Driver, which was also provided by Pete Cornish. So, that can't be "fixed".
I always try to make it clear that a recording of an instrument can't be magically changed. Unfortunately, sometimes it falls on deaf ears. Hopefully not here :)
Adam.
Second, the comment about the guitar sound, " And because of that weird, and quite frankly awful guitar tone, Wembley would benefit enormously." I hate to break it to you, but, that will never change. It's NOTHING to do with the mix that was made. It's everything to do with Brian's choice of booster tech on that particular day. As far as I know, he used his usual TB83 booster PLUS a Line Driver, which was also provided by Pete Cornish. So, that can't be "fixed".
I always try to make it clear that a recording of an instrument can't be magically changed. Unfortunately, sometimes it falls on deaf ears. Hopefully not here :)
Adam.
Re: what JSS said above, we have to conclude that the digital master wasn't edited (dialogue and the Tutti Frutti 'reprise'). Weird! One would obvioulsy expect the original analog master mixes to be unedited, but the CD master should be like the CD. So they mastered the CD, and only then they edited some parts out ot for some reason to make the definitive CD master. I have always wondered about the cut in Tutti Frutti -it seems so pointless- and knowing it was a last-minute edit surely adds to the mistery...
I have also found interesting that the original master mixes from the Wembley stuff are indeed analog. I always thought that the shows were recorded digitally, and then mixed digitally. But of course that's not the case (and I should have known better). Anyway, I am somehow happy that the master is analog. Would it have been digital we wouldn't have the opportunity to have a high resolution transfer now. A digital master from 1991 most surely means 44.1 kHz and 16-bit. And, now that I think of it, that would mean that the 2003 DVD has an upsampled stream.
I have also found interesting that the original master mixes from the Wembley stuff are indeed analog. I always thought that the shows were recorded digitally, and then mixed digitally. But of course that's not the case (and I should have known better). Anyway, I am somehow happy that the master is analog. Would it have been digital we wouldn't have the opportunity to have a high resolution transfer now. A digital master from 1991 most surely means 44.1 kHz and 16-bit. And, now that I think of it, that would mean that the 2003 DVD has an upsampled stream.
Lets be honest,it doesnt matter if its remixed,remastered or re anything else.It would still not be right for some people.
Everyone has theyre own ideas how it "should" sound".Im not having a go at anyone here,just sayin whatever they did they would never please everyone.
Everyone has theyre own ideas how it "should" sound".Im not having a go at anyone here,just sayin whatever they did they would never please everyone.
Adam Baboolal wrote:
It's NOTHING to do with the mix that was made. It's everything to do with Brian's choice of booster tech on that particular day. As far as I know, he used his usual TB83 booster PLUS a Line Driver, which was also provided by Pete Cornish. So, that can't be "fixed".
I always try to make it clear that a recording of an instrument can't be magically changed. Unfortunately, sometimes it falls on deaf ears. Hopefully not here :)
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Excellent post.
One only needs to give Live Magic a spin to hear how different Brian's tone was at Knebworth and Budapest compared to Wembley.
It's NOTHING to do with the mix that was made. It's everything to do with Brian's choice of booster tech on that particular day. As far as I know, he used his usual TB83 booster PLUS a Line Driver, which was also provided by Pete Cornish. So, that can't be "fixed".
I always try to make it clear that a recording of an instrument can't be magically changed. Unfortunately, sometimes it falls on deaf ears. Hopefully not here :)
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Excellent post.
One only needs to give Live Magic a spin to hear how different Brian's tone was at Knebworth and Budapest compared to Wembley.
I assume that they won't have lost the multitrack master - for (from what they apparently think) was one of their most triumphant gigs - since 1992, considering they still have the multitrack for the Friday show.
Wasn't there a thread about a short Rock Band promo featuring Bohemian Rhapsody at Wembley with remixed sound? This would indicate that they do have the multitrack and are just a bit lazy. Wouldn't surprise me.
Wasn't there a thread about a short Rock Band promo featuring Bohemian Rhapsody at Wembley with remixed sound? This would indicate that they do have the multitrack and are just a bit lazy. Wouldn't surprise me.
Tim June wrote: Maybe it was easier and cheaper for them to re-use the stereo mixes from 1991 for the Saturday Wembley show, than to make a new mix with all the "needed" overdubs? : )
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Of course it cheaper, a lot!! And the overdubs too!
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Of course it cheaper, a lot!! And the overdubs too!
I always thought the guitar sounded different on Wembley 2nd night.Too light of a clean sound, Now I know.
In my opinion I love the treble booster sound used during Budapest. Now that was a killer guitar sound. But who knows it could of been the same booster, but just mic'ed differently.
In my opinion I love the treble booster sound used during Budapest. Now that was a killer guitar sound. But who knows it could of been the same booster, but just mic'ed differently.