Hang On In There
well it's been interesting to read everyone's comments - but I've watched the DVDs and I think they're great - I'm really pleased I bought the deluxe version.
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geebeetee
Its pretty easy to make a dvd player multi region, all you need to do for starters is make sure you steer clear of the top brands, Sony, Panasonic to name 2 these cannot be changed, mine is an AKAI i payed £25 for it second hand and when i got it home NTSC playback was blocked, all i did was go online to find a remote hack for it, with this all you do is say press a few buttons in order on the remote and you access a menu where you change the playback settings to region free or 0, after that the player will take nything you throw at it regardless of what TV you have.
the akai player is my second the first was a Mustek which died on me earlier this year
so the best thing i recommend before you buy the player search online if it can be changed that way you will get a multi region player
www.videohelp.com/dvdhacks
hope that helps
the akai player is my second the first was a Mustek which died on me earlier this year
so the best thing i recommend before you buy the player search online if it can be changed that way you will get a multi region player
www.videohelp.com/dvdhacks
hope that helps
pat10
It should be out on blu-ray !
tero! 48531
brians wig wrote: To be fair to QPL, I think it's more likely Universal that's caused the issue.
QPL, however, should have been on the ball and disagreed with them.
If nothing else, I hope this topic highlights the issues and they never happen again.
At least we still have a decent PAL DVD of the Saturday concert from 2003 :) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
To be fair, QPL has a history of messing their releases before they switched over to Universal... It wouldn't be fair to blame it on Universal without any further knowledge.
I don't think I'm going to be missing much by skipping this release.
QPL, however, should have been on the ball and disagreed with them.
If nothing else, I hope this topic highlights the issues and they never happen again.
At least we still have a decent PAL DVD of the Saturday concert from 2003 :) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
To be fair, QPL has a history of messing their releases before they switched over to Universal... It wouldn't be fair to blame it on Universal without any further knowledge.
I don't think I'm going to be missing much by skipping this release.
Big Fat Fanny
Fucking typical. I ain't gonna buy it. Already got the CD and DVD.
joesilvey
i'd have to agree on the Saturday menu error and not sure why they would downgrade it from PAL to NTSC...
that being said, I just watched the Friday night show on my large standard-def TV (in America) and i loved it. Obviously Friday night is test footage. some places they apparently didn't have a good shot available, so you see a darkened image (like Deacy at the beginning of Under Pressure) just so you're looking at something other than some cameraman's shoes i suppose... but this was never meant to be released, so to me, it's amazing that it looks so good. Just as we have weird lines in the Live Aid footage, yes you'll notice some 25-year old video tape anomalies and imperfections throughout. Not sure how much of it is the footage itself vs. artifacts of the reformatting to PAL. Don't really care. I was too busy watching Freddie's every move.
The sound is great, and the performance incredible. Haven't A/B'ed the Saturday concert with the 2003 dvd, but already i'm very happy to have it.
that being said, I just watched the Friday night show on my large standard-def TV (in America) and i loved it. Obviously Friday night is test footage. some places they apparently didn't have a good shot available, so you see a darkened image (like Deacy at the beginning of Under Pressure) just so you're looking at something other than some cameraman's shoes i suppose... but this was never meant to be released, so to me, it's amazing that it looks so good. Just as we have weird lines in the Live Aid footage, yes you'll notice some 25-year old video tape anomalies and imperfections throughout. Not sure how much of it is the footage itself vs. artifacts of the reformatting to PAL. Don't really care. I was too busy watching Freddie's every move.
The sound is great, and the performance incredible. Haven't A/B'ed the Saturday concert with the 2003 dvd, but already i'm very happy to have it.
joesilvey
Just watched One Vision from Saturday night and the footage looks and sounds great... no noticeable ghosting or any other quality degradation from the transfer.
veering ever so slightly off topic, is it just me or is there an extra Freddie singing on the line "a visions of one sweet union"? I know Roger is singing as well, but the loudest Freddie I hear doesn't quite match up to the footage. Freddie moves his mic away from his mouth but can still be heard in full voice for a second. are there other (any?) known places where they patched in Friday audio for a note or a word on the Saturday concert?
veering ever so slightly off topic, is it just me or is there an extra Freddie singing on the line "a visions of one sweet union"? I know Roger is singing as well, but the loudest Freddie I hear doesn't quite match up to the footage. Freddie moves his mic away from his mouth but can still be heard in full voice for a second. are there other (any?) known places where they patched in Friday audio for a note or a word on the Saturday concert?
popy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1W2pby1QW9c Wembley without overdubs
Indo77
pat10 wrote: It should be out on blu-ray !
It won't be out on blu-ray because it was originally shot on PAL Videotape not film.
I was sad to read that the recent Wembely release was deinterlaced and in the horrid NTSC format. Sadly this will become the norm as it is saves Universal releasing multi format releases on both PAL and NTSC. Concerts should be released in the original format they appeared - PAL/NTSC Videotape or film. I dread to see a DVD Earl's Court NTSC master or a DVD PAL Houston.
It won't be out on blu-ray because it was originally shot on PAL Videotape not film.
I was sad to read that the recent Wembely release was deinterlaced and in the horrid NTSC format. Sadly this will become the norm as it is saves Universal releasing multi format releases on both PAL and NTSC. Concerts should be released in the original format they appeared - PAL/NTSC Videotape or film. I dread to see a DVD Earl's Court NTSC master or a DVD PAL Houston.
Battler
I wonder why everyone complains about this DVD being released in converted NTSC rather than the original PAL, yet no-one seems to complain about the Live In Rio VHS being released in converted PAL instead of the original not even NTSC, but PAL-M, which is Brazilian PAL with NTSC characteristics (525 lines, 60 Hz). Apparently, a release converted from 525/60 to 625/50 is OK, but one converted the other way around is instead the worst abomination of the world.
This even when what we got now, is both Wembley shows in their entirety, with great sound even, while the Live In Rio VHS had a combination of both shows with a load of tracks even completely removed. Yet the Wembley DVD is a "Complete Cock Up", while Live In Rio seems to be regarded as a great release. Just where's the logic here? ;)
This even when what we got now, is both Wembley shows in their entirety, with great sound even, while the Live In Rio VHS had a combination of both shows with a load of tracks even completely removed. Yet the Wembley DVD is a "Complete Cock Up", while Live In Rio seems to be regarded as a great release. Just where's the logic here? ;)
MERQRY
Battler wrote: I wonder why everyone complains about this DVD being released in converted NTSC rather than the original PAL, yet no-one seems to complain about the Live In Rio VHS being released in converted PAL instead of the original not even NTSC, but PAL-M, which is Brazilian PAL with NTSC characteristics (525 lines, 60 Hz). Apparently, a release converted from 525/60 to 625/50 is OK, but one converted the other way around is instead the worst abomination of the world.
This even when what we got now, is both Wembley shows in their entirety, with great sound even, while the Live In Rio VHS had a combination of both shows with a load of tracks even completely removed. Yet the Wembley DVD is a "Complete Cock Up", while Live In Rio seems to be regarded as a great release. Just where's the logic here? ;)
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You´re right but... who said you we don´t complain about RIO??... almost everybody here -and there- complain about the rio footage released on vhs!
This even when what we got now, is both Wembley shows in their entirety, with great sound even, while the Live In Rio VHS had a combination of both shows with a load of tracks even completely removed. Yet the Wembley DVD is a "Complete Cock Up", while Live In Rio seems to be regarded as a great release. Just where's the logic here? ;)
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You´re right but... who said you we don´t complain about RIO??... almost everybody here -and there- complain about the rio footage released on vhs!
Queenman!!
Hey Guys,
Just found this on brianmay.com! Are we wrong?
**Mon 19 Sep 11**
WEMBLEY DVD
David Backhouse wrote:
Dear Brian,
I've taken delivery today of the new Wembley DVD and I'm sorry, but I have to express my utter disgust at whoever took the decision to de-interlace the picture and make it look like it was shot on film
Please. For goodness sake, if something was shot on beautiful 2" (or even 1") PAL Videotape, which is interlaced, it NEEDS to be kept as an interlaced picture.
I realise it's far too late now to ever see the Friday night concert in the format it was recorded in, but maybe if you know people's feelings about this stuff, it may stop you (QPL) from treating your other recordings in this way.
You're passionate about 3D photos etc, I'm passionate about interlaced TV pictures, so I hope you understand where I'm coming from.
Please forgive me, but I had to email you as I have no other means of communicating my feelings to QPL.
Kind Regards,
David Backhouse
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Brian replied:
Well, I don't understand what you're saying right now, David. We've had great reactions to the new product so far.
But I will pass on your comments to those who will be able to respond !
Cheers
Bri
Further response from the engineer who graded the pictures:
"Please reassure Mr Backhouse that the remastered concerts were not de-interlaced during the remastering process, and are as interlaced as the day they were shot. Every care was taken to make small improvements to picture quality, whist being mindful of the origins of the material.
A couple of things could be confusing this viewer.
1. The opening pre gig sequences are shot mostly on film, and he may have switched off at this point.
2. He could be watching on a flat panel screen that even though it is fed an interlaced picture, it reproduces it in in a de-interlaced way (computer screens do this). Rather like watching a colour film on a black and white TV, you can't tell if its colour or not.
The PAL-NTSC frame conversion that happened after the remastering, would not have any appreciable effect on the motion rendition. A de-interlaced picture is noticeably different.
I've put an explanation of de-interacing at the end of the mail to shed a bit more light on the subject.
So, hope that mostly makes sense, please bounce it back if it doesn't.
Technical Explanation of Interlace & De-Interlace
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Video in the UK runs at 25 frames per second. Each frame is composed of two fields, field 1 and field 2. Most TV and video cameras are interlaced, and each field they produce is slightly different, producing smooth-looking motion when watched. This is how the concerts were shot.
Film runs at 25 frames a second for the purposes of UK TV. Each frame still has two fields, but as they are sourced from a single frame of film, they are pretty much identical. When watched, this produces a more 'jerky' looking picture.
It's possible to take interlaced pictures, and de-interlace them. This process doubles up the odd fields, to produce a more filmic look. So, instead of the video playing back as;
Field 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 etc.
It becomes
Field, 1, 1, 3, 3, 5, 5, etc.
which has the motion characteristics of film - which some people view as more aesthetically pleasing.
Just found this on brianmay.com! Are we wrong?
**Mon 19 Sep 11**
WEMBLEY DVD
David Backhouse wrote:
Dear Brian,
I've taken delivery today of the new Wembley DVD and I'm sorry, but I have to express my utter disgust at whoever took the decision to de-interlace the picture and make it look like it was shot on film
Please. For goodness sake, if something was shot on beautiful 2" (or even 1") PAL Videotape, which is interlaced, it NEEDS to be kept as an interlaced picture.
I realise it's far too late now to ever see the Friday night concert in the format it was recorded in, but maybe if you know people's feelings about this stuff, it may stop you (QPL) from treating your other recordings in this way.
You're passionate about 3D photos etc, I'm passionate about interlaced TV pictures, so I hope you understand where I'm coming from.
Please forgive me, but I had to email you as I have no other means of communicating my feelings to QPL.
Kind Regards,
David Backhouse
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Brian replied:
Well, I don't understand what you're saying right now, David. We've had great reactions to the new product so far.
But I will pass on your comments to those who will be able to respond !
Cheers
Bri
Further response from the engineer who graded the pictures:
"Please reassure Mr Backhouse that the remastered concerts were not de-interlaced during the remastering process, and are as interlaced as the day they were shot. Every care was taken to make small improvements to picture quality, whist being mindful of the origins of the material.
A couple of things could be confusing this viewer.
1. The opening pre gig sequences are shot mostly on film, and he may have switched off at this point.
2. He could be watching on a flat panel screen that even though it is fed an interlaced picture, it reproduces it in in a de-interlaced way (computer screens do this). Rather like watching a colour film on a black and white TV, you can't tell if its colour or not.
The PAL-NTSC frame conversion that happened after the remastering, would not have any appreciable effect on the motion rendition. A de-interlaced picture is noticeably different.
I've put an explanation of de-interacing at the end of the mail to shed a bit more light on the subject.
So, hope that mostly makes sense, please bounce it back if it doesn't.
Technical Explanation of Interlace & De-Interlace
--------------------------------------------------------------------
Video in the UK runs at 25 frames per second. Each frame is composed of two fields, field 1 and field 2. Most TV and video cameras are interlaced, and each field they produce is slightly different, producing smooth-looking motion when watched. This is how the concerts were shot.
Film runs at 25 frames a second for the purposes of UK TV. Each frame still has two fields, but as they are sourced from a single frame of film, they are pretty much identical. When watched, this produces a more 'jerky' looking picture.
It's possible to take interlaced pictures, and de-interlace them. This process doubles up the odd fields, to produce a more filmic look. So, instead of the video playing back as;
Field 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 etc.
It becomes
Field, 1, 1, 3, 3, 5, 5, etc.
which has the motion characteristics of film - which some people view as more aesthetically pleasing.
dragon67
That's bullshit!!!
What did I tell you guys in my previous posts?
"I will e-mail Brian through his website,but I doubt he will ever understand what we are talking about..."
They completely ruined the whole friday night footage and they don't even have the balls to admit it in a straightforward way...
Sorry for my language here, but I am furious that I had to buy the original dvd and see with my own eyes what they did with it.
Thank god we still have the 2003 release and the older VHS editions...
What did I tell you guys in my previous posts?
"I will e-mail Brian through his website,but I doubt he will ever understand what we are talking about..."
They completely ruined the whole friday night footage and they don't even have the balls to admit it in a straightforward way...
Sorry for my language here, but I am furious that I had to buy the original dvd and see with my own eyes what they did with it.
Thank god we still have the 2003 release and the older VHS editions...
Queenman!!
dragon67 wrote: That's bullshit!!!
What did I tell you guys in my previous posts?
"I will e-mail Brian through his website,but I doubt he will ever understand what we are talking about..."
They completely ruined the whole friday night footage and they don't even have the balls to admit it in a straightforward way...
Sorry for my language here, but I am furious that I had to buy the original dvd and see with my own eyes what they did with it.
Thank god we still have the 2003 release and the older VHS editions...
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What is exactly bullshit???? Where do QP go wrong in their explanation
What did I tell you guys in my previous posts?
"I will e-mail Brian through his website,but I doubt he will ever understand what we are talking about..."
They completely ruined the whole friday night footage and they don't even have the balls to admit it in a straightforward way...
Sorry for my language here, but I am furious that I had to buy the original dvd and see with my own eyes what they did with it.
Thank god we still have the 2003 release and the older VHS editions...
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What is exactly bullshit???? Where do QP go wrong in their explanation
Bad Seed
Well I must say that I think the picture is certainly superior to the 2003 release.