GratefulFan wrote:
And Sir GH, you avoided my point in the other thread
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I've responded this morning. I do have a life, and don't check forums every couple hours. :-)
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Zebonka12 wrote:
I'm assuming it's because in their case, money changed hands. What fucking difference does that make? I think Mary got a lot more money than either Freestone or Hutton did; if we want to get all moralistic about it, her only words to interviewers or press, from 1991 onwards, should've been "no comment" - but they weren't.
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Fair play. But one could argue that Peter and Jim should've done the same, as writing those books made them look like little more than bitter old men because they didn't get the house (Jim, particularly).
The fact that Mary got more money probably reinforced the bitterness in them, leading them to feel the need to "set the record straight." I find it very unlikely that Mary went out of her way to be interviewed. Someone probably just asked, and she said sure. She didn't have anything to gain. She's the only one of the bunch of friends who comes off as genuine.
Great article there on Cracked, btw. Much food for thought.
I'm assuming it's because in their case, money changed hands. What fucking difference does that make? I think Mary got a lot more money than either Freestone or Hutton did; if we want to get all moralistic about it, her only words to interviewers or press, from 1991 onwards, should've been "no comment" - but they weren't.
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Fair play. But one could argue that Peter and Jim should've done the same, as writing those books made them look like little more than bitter old men because they didn't get the house (Jim, particularly).
The fact that Mary got more money probably reinforced the bitterness in them, leading them to feel the need to "set the record straight." I find it very unlikely that Mary went out of her way to be interviewed. Someone probably just asked, and she said sure. She didn't have anything to gain. She's the only one of the bunch of friends who comes off as genuine.
Great article there on Cracked, btw. Much food for thought.
john bodega
"Great article there on Cracked, btw. Much food for thought."
There usually is, there's some great collections on that site!
There usually is, there's some great collections on that site!
The Real Wizard
Just might have to spend a few hours there then. Expanding and reassessing the mind rocks.
john bodega
The thing that's on my mind is that all of these associates of Freddie's - Austin, Clark, Hutton and Freestone - have crossed a barrier, if you will, of discussing Freddie's private life. They've done it in varying degrees, but then it becomes a matter of personal opinion as to what degree is acceptable.
And, as I was saying with the Cracked article - it is easy for us to made these judgements on deeds and character, separated as we are by time and distance. None of us were close personal friends with Freddie Mercury for a long portion of his life, so we'll never be able to accurately say how we'd behave in those circumstances, and thus our opinions on whether or not they were good people have to be taken at their worth... whatever that may be!
And, as I was saying with the Cracked article - it is easy for us to made these judgements on deeds and character, separated as we are by time and distance. None of us were close personal friends with Freddie Mercury for a long portion of his life, so we'll never be able to accurately say how we'd behave in those circumstances, and thus our opinions on whether or not they were good people have to be taken at their worth... whatever that may be!
szore
My understanding was that Freddie left 20 million and the house to Mary. Beyond that, I find Brian's article far more compelling. His depression and suicide thoughts, and therapy, etc.
I also find these articles and the bickering post's fascinating. Just my two cents.
I've been a Queen fan for 30 years, since I was 16 in 1980. I am more of a fan now than ever, and the abundance of material about Queen on this miracle called 'The Internet' is just wonderful. In any event we are all fans, so let's not bicker.
I also find these articles and the bickering post's fascinating. Just my two cents.
I've been a Queen fan for 30 years, since I was 16 in 1980. I am more of a fan now than ever, and the abundance of material about Queen on this miracle called 'The Internet' is just wonderful. In any event we are all fans, so let's not bicker.
szore
...Also, calling Mary a 'cunt' is utterly over the line and un-called for. You dishonor Freddie's memory by saying that.
Micrówave
[QUOTE]Sir GH wrote:
Jpf is probably a repressed homosexual who can't accept the fact that Freddie loved Mary (i.e. a woman) more than his gay friends, enough to give her his house.
It has always been told that Dave Clark was the only person in the room with Freddie when he died, but people like jpf prefer to troll this forum and tell revisionist history from books written by friends of Freddie's who backstabbed him in death by writing so-called "tell-all" books, despite the singer's preference for a private personal life. [/QUOTE]
Hey Bob. I thought I'd post this for you in case YOU FORGOT WHAT YOU SAID!!!!
[QUOTE]Sir GH wrote: It is trolling when someone's purpose is purely to create conflict with others. In the real world, these people are expelled from schools and fired from jobs.
There needs to be some kind of quality control to maintain civility at a forum. [/QUOTE]
Calm down, man... Try some warm milk.
Jpf is probably a repressed homosexual who can't accept the fact that Freddie loved Mary (i.e. a woman) more than his gay friends, enough to give her his house.
It has always been told that Dave Clark was the only person in the room with Freddie when he died, but people like jpf prefer to troll this forum and tell revisionist history from books written by friends of Freddie's who backstabbed him in death by writing so-called "tell-all" books, despite the singer's preference for a private personal life. [/QUOTE]
Hey Bob. I thought I'd post this for you in case YOU FORGOT WHAT YOU SAID!!!!
[QUOTE]Sir GH wrote: It is trolling when someone's purpose is purely to create conflict with others. In the real world, these people are expelled from schools and fired from jobs.
There needs to be some kind of quality control to maintain civility at a forum. [/QUOTE]
Calm down, man... Try some warm milk.
The Real Wizard
Err, are you sure you've got the right person? I'm calm and I was responding to conflict, not creating it.
jpf
Zebonka12 wrote: I direct anyone currently riding a high horse on this topic, to this page here : http://www.cracked.com/article_17142_5-ways-common-sense-lies-to-you-everyday.html
I'm amazed at the attitudes towards people who write 'tell-all' books, sometimes. So fucking what? Freddie's dead, he doesn't need loyalty anymore. Even Hutton is dead now, but you don't see any kind of post-mortem, wildly impractical kind of standards being applied to how we should talk about him, do you? Is this because he was a less than stellar human being? I hate to rain on the judgmental parade, but Freddie wasn't a saint - no one is. Deplorable double standards going on here - somehow, Mary Austin and Dave Clark have special dispensation to talk about Freddie's private life, but Freestone and Hutton don't.
I'm assuming it's because in their case, money changed hands. What fucking difference does that make? I think Mary got a lot more money than either Freestone or Hutton did; if we want to get all moralistic about it, her only words to interviewers or press, from 1991 onwards, should've been "no comment" - but they weren't.
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Correct.
As mentioned in both Peter's and Jim's books they needed to fix the errors and lies that were reported by the English rags while Freddie was alive and after his death.
I'm amazed at the attitudes towards people who write 'tell-all' books, sometimes. So fucking what? Freddie's dead, he doesn't need loyalty anymore. Even Hutton is dead now, but you don't see any kind of post-mortem, wildly impractical kind of standards being applied to how we should talk about him, do you? Is this because he was a less than stellar human being? I hate to rain on the judgmental parade, but Freddie wasn't a saint - no one is. Deplorable double standards going on here - somehow, Mary Austin and Dave Clark have special dispensation to talk about Freddie's private life, but Freestone and Hutton don't.
I'm assuming it's because in their case, money changed hands. What fucking difference does that make? I think Mary got a lot more money than either Freestone or Hutton did; if we want to get all moralistic about it, her only words to interviewers or press, from 1991 onwards, should've been "no comment" - but they weren't.
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Correct.
As mentioned in both Peter's and Jim's books they needed to fix the errors and lies that were reported by the English rags while Freddie was alive and after his death.
jpf
plumrach wrote: In Freddies lifetime he may have had a lot of friends but Mary was the one that he wanted to have the house and whether its true or not that he asked to let the others stay in there is another thing
Joe Peter and Jim were taken care of financially after Freddie passed away, they were not left with nothing
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It was the manner in which Mary and Jim Beach treated Peter, Joe, and Jim after Freddie's death that is appalling.
Freddie would have been pissed off if he knew how his friends (i.e., his true family) had been treated.
Mary was left Garden Lodge due to having a child and one on the way (both conceived out of wedlock). Freddie wanted Garden Lodge to be a home where these two children could grow up. He didn't want Garden Lodge to become a Graceland.
Joe Peter and Jim were taken care of financially after Freddie passed away, they were not left with nothing
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It was the manner in which Mary and Jim Beach treated Peter, Joe, and Jim after Freddie's death that is appalling.
Freddie would have been pissed off if he knew how his friends (i.e., his true family) had been treated.
Mary was left Garden Lodge due to having a child and one on the way (both conceived out of wedlock). Freddie wanted Garden Lodge to be a home where these two children could grow up. He didn't want Garden Lodge to become a Graceland.
jpf
ThomasQuinn wrote: Sir GH wrote: alaynasusan wrote:
Holy bananas jpf, you know your stuff.
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I'll assume that's sarcasm :-)
Jpf is probably a repressed homosexual who can't accept the fact that Freddie loved Mary (i.e. a woman) more than his gay friends, enough to give her his house.
It has always been told that Dave Clark was the only person in the room with Freddie when he died, but people like jpf prefer to troll this forum and tell revisionist history from books written by friends of Freddie's who backstabbed him in death by writing so-called "tell-all" books, despite the singer's preference for a private personal life.
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Jpf is a moron with issues, as his last post demonstrated abundantly. However, disregarding this retard, there have been conflicting statements for almost two decades now - Hutton claimed he was there when Freddie died, Clark claimed he wasn't. We're never going to know for sure, and I for one don't feel like accepting one view and rejecting the other. There just isn't enough evidence either way.
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Fuck you, asshole.
Holy bananas jpf, you know your stuff.
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I'll assume that's sarcasm :-)
Jpf is probably a repressed homosexual who can't accept the fact that Freddie loved Mary (i.e. a woman) more than his gay friends, enough to give her his house.
It has always been told that Dave Clark was the only person in the room with Freddie when he died, but people like jpf prefer to troll this forum and tell revisionist history from books written by friends of Freddie's who backstabbed him in death by writing so-called "tell-all" books, despite the singer's preference for a private personal life.
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Jpf is a moron with issues, as his last post demonstrated abundantly. However, disregarding this retard, there have been conflicting statements for almost two decades now - Hutton claimed he was there when Freddie died, Clark claimed he wasn't. We're never going to know for sure, and I for one don't feel like accepting one view and rejecting the other. There just isn't enough evidence either way.
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Fuck you, asshole.
jpf
ThomasQuinn wrote: jpf wrote:
Too fucking bad, asshole.
Mary's a cunt. That makes you weep.
Freddie was doing enough "backstabbing" of his own, enough to kill a few of his friends.
Unless Mary has a penis Freddie wasn't giving her any loving.
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Thank you for proving Sir GH's point. We couldn't have done it without your foul-mouthed, mentally unstable ranting. On a serious note, I quite honestly believe you could benefit from psychological counseling. This is not meant as a jab, even though that is an added benefit.
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Go fuck yourself.
Too fucking bad, asshole.
Mary's a cunt. That makes you weep.
Freddie was doing enough "backstabbing" of his own, enough to kill a few of his friends.
Unless Mary has a penis Freddie wasn't giving her any loving.
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Thank you for proving Sir GH's point. We couldn't have done it without your foul-mouthed, mentally unstable ranting. On a serious note, I quite honestly believe you could benefit from psychological counseling. This is not meant as a jab, even though that is an added benefit.
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Go fuck yourself.
szore
STOP THIS!
jpf
Sir GH wrote: Zebonka12 wrote:
I'm assuming it's because in their case, money changed hands. What fucking difference does that make? I think Mary got a lot more money than either Freestone or Hutton did; if we want to get all moralistic about it, her only words to interviewers or press, from 1991 onwards, should've been "no comment" - but they weren't.
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Fair play. But one could argue that Peter and Jim should've done the same, as writing those books made them look like little more than bitter old men because they didn't get the house (Jim, particularly).
The fact that Mary got more money probably reinforced the bitterness in them, leading them to feel the need to "set the record straight." I find it very unlikely that Mary went out of her way to be interviewed. Someone probably just asked, and she said sure. She didn't have anything to gain. She's the only one of the bunch of friends who comes off as genuine.
Great article there on Cracked, btw. Much food for thought.
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Peter and Jim wrote their books to correct misinformation and lies that were reported by the press and some incorrect information that came from Mary. It had nothing to do with Garden Lodge.
It's time you took Freddie and Mary off of their saints pedestals.
Did you even read Peter and Jim's books? Doesn't sound like it. Neither book came off as being bitter. More like major
disappointment in two people in particular (Mary and Beach).
Mary didn't go out of her way to be interviewed? Please. She opened up the doors to Garden Lodge and told the photographer to start shooting.
I'm assuming it's because in their case, money changed hands. What fucking difference does that make? I think Mary got a lot more money than either Freestone or Hutton did; if we want to get all moralistic about it, her only words to interviewers or press, from 1991 onwards, should've been "no comment" - but they weren't.
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Fair play. But one could argue that Peter and Jim should've done the same, as writing those books made them look like little more than bitter old men because they didn't get the house (Jim, particularly).
The fact that Mary got more money probably reinforced the bitterness in them, leading them to feel the need to "set the record straight." I find it very unlikely that Mary went out of her way to be interviewed. Someone probably just asked, and she said sure. She didn't have anything to gain. She's the only one of the bunch of friends who comes off as genuine.
Great article there on Cracked, btw. Much food for thought.
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Peter and Jim wrote their books to correct misinformation and lies that were reported by the press and some incorrect information that came from Mary. It had nothing to do with Garden Lodge.
It's time you took Freddie and Mary off of their saints pedestals.
Did you even read Peter and Jim's books? Doesn't sound like it. Neither book came off as being bitter. More like major
disappointment in two people in particular (Mary and Beach).
Mary didn't go out of her way to be interviewed? Please. She opened up the doors to Garden Lodge and told the photographer to start shooting.