Freddie Mercury's HIV Diagnosis – Some Insight – 1985 to 1987

[QUOTE] [b]The Real Wizard wrote:[/b]

Excellent detective work !

My question is - if Freddie was HIV positive in early 1986, then how did he manage to get health insurance for the Magic tour?

This leads to many related questions that will most likely go unanswered.[/QUOTE]

That might depend on the cover and claim ability's.

Anything not related to HIV might still be covered. If it was for a tour that is for a small period of time, cover on some scenarios's might be granted.

Also in line with when the cover will cease to exist.

[QUOTE] [b]AlexRocks wrote:[/b]

With all of THAT said I'm not sure the general public knew much about HIV and AIDS until more like 1985 or even as late as 1987, right?[/QUOTE]

The UK official campaign was 1987. After that people were scared even to use public toilets.

Before that there were a few news reports, as I think people like Rock Hudson had died of it, but generally it was seen as a scare that might blow over and there wasn't that much coverage.

Over time information changes, a bit like the game Chinese whispers. As I lived during that time I wrote some stuff to give a context on that time on a similar thread http://www.queenzone.com/forums/417627/when-did-freddie-get-the-hiv-virus.aspx?page=4

although on that thread I thought the official campaign was 1985. It was actually later than that.

This vid of the show The Doctors claims Freddie was diagnosed in 87.  Well, at least Freddie is given credit for being one of the most talented singer/songwriters of all time.

[url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ay_OFBR3R3Q]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ay_OFBR3R3Q[/url]

I have watched the recent german docu "We are the Champions- 40 Jahre Queen". There were some remarkable statements. Peter Freestone said that Freddie was "more tired and irritable" during the Magic tour in 1986. It was also reported that Freddie knew at that time that a friend in Munich had died of AIDS. Another associate of Queen stated that "everyboy" had the feeling ("almost like a sixth sense") that Knebworth was going to be the last gig. Conclusion: Freddie alsready had some minor health issues in 1986 prior to the official confirmation a year later.

He could not have had HIV too long before being treated under most circumstances right? I mean like a year or two? I understand it takes ten and half months before it starts to show symptoms so he probably got it in 1986, 1985, or MAYBE 1984. I do think that there was a big mistake in the "These Are The Days Of Our Lives" documentary for people to say Freddie neglected to get checked while continuing to live his lifestyle for whatever period of time. No matter if it is true or not that is a very damning statement. Unfortunately this is one reason why Queen in particular Freddie are judged and looked upon so unfavorably by many people around the world.

[QUOTE] [b]AlexRocks wrote:[/b]

Unfortunately this is one reason why Queen in particular Freddie are judged and looked upon so unfavorably by many people around the world.[/QUOTE]
Huh? What world? Mars? Queen is one of the best loved bands in Earth world. Freddie's role as stellar frontman helped considerably to launch them into stardom. Also don't dismiss Queen's contribution to AIDS charity work, starting with Freddie's Time fundraiser with Cliff Richards in 1989 and the money raised by the remaining Queen members Tribute concert.

[QUOTE] [b]scwewywabbit wrote:[/b]

[QUOTE] [b]bowky wrote:[/b]

And I also remember after Freddie died, because of his admission he died of an AIDS related illness (which he didn't have to do), people started talking honestly, openly (and willing to learn) about HIV, AIDS, safe sex, and sexuality. I'm so proud of Freddie for helping towards this.[/QUOTE]

I strongly disagree with this. From what I've read, Freddie Mercury had unprotected sex with hundreds of men each year for several years running. This is exactly the kind of reckless behavior that caused tens of thousands of homosexuals to die of AIDS during those years. This despite his full knowledge, at least since 1982-1983, of the potential dangers of this high-risk behavior. When I watched a clip of his 39th birthday party in Munich in 1985, I felt like throwing up in disgust. How many people caught HIV that very night I wonder. That's blood on Freddie's hands. Yet, whenever the name Freddie Mercury is mentioned, it is with those hushed tones usually reserved for the most gallant heroes. Freddie was no hero. He was a selfish brute whose wanton behavior led to his own death and most likely the deaths of countless others.[/QUOTE]

And you don't think every heterosexual rock star wasn't having sex with hundreds of women each year? As a straight male I find it inconceivable that we are in 2013 and there are people that think HIV/AIDS was spread by homosexuals. It was spread by everyone. Sexual preference has nothing to do with it.

- Ryan

The Real Wizard wrote:

The only person who knows when he was initially diagnosed is Freddie (well, and his doctors), and nobody knows when he was infected.




I personally believe much more people know when he was diagnosed with AIDS. I don’t know how this is regulated in UK, but in 99 % developed countries, most medical diagnoses are always accumulated in some sort of archive (which is in many cases in the same building as hospital or it is separate in some other location). At least in our country this must be done by the law. And this documentation must be stored for many decades before they can destroy it (it can be 50 years), what is more, some documentation of diagnoses can never be destroyed – it must be permanent. Even if person dies, it still must be stored. Every person that works in archive has constant access to this documentation.

I am telling this because I worked myself in archive and I could see all historical diagnoses for every person that has ever been in our hospital. I could see every medical condition from every person, even if the person was very important, it was still stored the same way. By coincidence I even found myself. I saw many things about people. Of course all this documentation is secret, but nobody really treat it like it is important or anything special – just bunch of boring papers.

I assume Freddie’s documentation must be still in physical form, but there are many projects where archives try to transfer all physical documentation in digital.

The point is that this stuff is confidential and in my opinion that's the way it should remain. It's the one bit of privacy he had and still has and it should stay that way.

Really...is this thread still going on lol.....you know what happened to Freddie, he died of AIDS....only a complete fucktard would want to discuss when he got it or when he got his diagnosis as you will never get the answer. I can only assume you've got fuck all going on in your own life to keep this shit up!!

During Wembley concert, Freddie splashed beer he was drinking on audience and 13 people dropped dead on the spot....in front of his eyes.

That is when Freddie knew that he had AIDS.

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[QUOTE] ZBGM0 wrote:[/b]  I personally believe much more people know when he was diagnosed with AIDS. 
I am telling this because I worked myself in archive and I could see all historical diagnoses for every person that has ever been in our hospital. I could see every medical 
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and????????????

you have added [b][i]absolutely nothing[/i][/b] to a completely pointless thread. well done.
your opinions are your own - but because [b][i]YOU[/i][/b] don't know the facts of this one particular case - and very few people ever will -  your opinions are completely worthless. 

these topics are of no consequence whatsoever.
[b][i]do they [/i][/b]change the legacy of music Freddie left us? [b]NO[/b]
[b][i]do they[/i][/b] somehow make it possible for him to be brought back to life? [b]NO[/b]
[b]do they[/b] do anything - other than allow the morbidly-curious ambulance chasers of this forum to "jerk off" their own bullshit opinions and stupidly irrelevant hypothesis? [b]NO[/b]
why the fuck is anyone [b]STILL[/b] discussing this shit? he's dead - you ain't bringing him back, and there's no worthwhile value in implying you know something that others don't. - especially when WE ALL know you don't - fact: the only people who do know anything relevant - have kept a dignified and confidential silence. the ignorami amongs us would do well to follow this example

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[QUOTE] [b]brENsKi wrote:[/b]


and????????????

you have added [b][i]absolutely nothing[/i][/b] to a completely pointless thread. well done.
your opinions are your own - but because [b][i]YOU[/i][/b] don't know the facts of this one particular case - and very few people ever will -  your opinions are completely worthless. 

these topics are of no consequence whatsoever.
[b][i]do they [/i][/b]change the legacy of music Freddie left us? [b]NO[/b]
[b][i]do they[/i][/b] somehow make it possible for him to be brought back to life? [b]NO[/b]
[b]do they[/b] do anything - other than allow the morbidly-curious ambulance chasers of this forum to "jerk off" their own bullshit opinions and stupidly irrelevant hypothesis? [b]NO[/b]
why the fuck is anyone [b]STILL[/b] discussing this shit? he's dead - you ain't bringing him back, and there's no worthwhile value in implying you know something that others don't. - especially when WE ALL know you don't - fact: the only people who do know anything relevant - have kept a dignified and confidential silence. the ignorami amongs us would do well to follow this example

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Well, I didn't start this topic. I also don’t care for anything else but his music. I just answered a simple thing. Actually you are right. Next time I won’t participate is such threads. But if I read other stuff on this forum I can say that there are much worse and more idiotic topics like this. Not just topics but especially behavior of people who write and ask on this forum (not you). I am not very active member, but I read quite a few topics. Sometimes I ask myself if this forum is really about Queen or it is about ability how “one person insults another person”.

This has nothing to do with you. It’s just general.

there are no insults directed at you.^^^

if you care to re-read my post - you'll find ONLY the opening paragraph is for YOUR attention - and there are no insults contained therein...only facts

the bulk of my post was directed at the f**king "rubberneckers" who loiter here. sick tw*ts the lot of them - offering unfounded "facts" on subjects that have nothing whatsoever to do with the music or the band itself.

one final question: how would these nasty inadequate little c*nts feel if the illness/diagnosis/death of one of their close friends/relatives was dissected in this manner - over and over and over and over again?

cosmic justice will ensure that these sad little people have some serious bad karma heading their way - i hope they're prepared