Costa86
Somebody shoot me, please. I feel guilty for feeding this kind of thing.
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stevendabudgie
@musicland munich
there´s another picture where a slight redding of the skin is visible on his cheek where the Kaposi stain is
http://queenpoland.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/freddie-mercury-in-japan-in-1986.jpg
there´s another picture where a slight redding of the skin is visible on his cheek where the Kaposi stain is
http://queenpoland.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/freddie-mercury-in-japan-in-1986.jpg
fofum
Morbid bastards. Not fans at all.
Martin Packer
That's actually a rather nice picture of Freddie. looking smug. :-)
musicland munich
Yes, I´ve checked the Japan 86`pics a few month ago, they`re legit. On some pics you can see it on some not.
RafaelS
[QUOTE] [b]stevendabudgie wrote:[/b]
@musicland munich
there´s another picture where a slight redding of the skin is visible on his cheek where the Kaposi stain is
http://queenpoland.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/freddie-mercury-in-japan-in-1986.jpg
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That spot appeared early on and never really disapeared. It is truly visible in the Jukebox interview in 1987.
@musicland munich
there´s another picture where a slight redding of the skin is visible on his cheek where the Kaposi stain is
http://queenpoland.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/freddie-mercury-in-japan-in-1986.jpg
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That spot appeared early on and never really disapeared. It is truly visible in the Jukebox interview in 1987.
miraclesteinway
In many ways it's pointless to keep thrashing through this topic again, because we'll all just talk ourselves round in circles, and it will never actually accomplish anything.
What we know about HIV these days though is that it can be present in the body for a very long time before it presents the major symptoms. What we know about the first manifestations of the disease in the early 80s is that they were virulent, and in some cases caused sudden deaths if it attacked the brain or heart, perhaps causing a ruptured blood vessel, or it could cause a slow decline and then the sudden decline that most major illnesses present at the end.
Some virologists attempted to track the rate at which the decline happened after infection, and in many cases it was very quick, although of course in others it wasn't. My guess is that Freddie had a strain, or Freddie's reaction to his infection was that it lay dormant for a while before becoming serious, and it's probable that he became infected some time between '78 and '85, most likely around '81 - '83. There has been some speculation that he knew by Live Aid that he wasn't in perfect health and even Brian May has questioned that he might have known by the Magic Tour that he wasn't going to be able to do another tour for health reasons (it's in the interview sections on the 2003 release).
Whatever the case is, I think that because Freddie was in general very healthy - he ate well, was not over weight and kept active - his body was strong enough to keep things at bay even when he was fighting full blown AIDS. Peter Freestone says that by the time he was diagnosed, he had developed full-blown AIDS (which is a term less used today). Given that was early 1987, he may well have been infected for three to five years.
I think at the time he was infected, there simply weren't the treatments available to fend off the illness without doing serious damage to, or killing the patient. The doctors had told him that he wouldn't see 1989, and that he went on to 1991 is a miracle under the circumstances. It's true that there are some people that were infected in the early 1980s who are still alive and well today, and it's really impossible for us to know why some people die and some people live. Think about other illnesses though - some people catch 'flu and take a heart attack, some people fully recover. I know of someone who was only 25 years old and in otherwise perfect health when he caught 'flu one Christmas, went to bed and didn't wake up again, just died suddenly.
We can sit and wonder, and we can even say 'if only', but I guess there is no point. What's done is done, and we've been without him for 23 years - which is also quite a thought!
My personal hope is that the band find another couple of songs that they had forgotten about that have a vocal as good as Let Me In Your Heart Again!
What we know about HIV these days though is that it can be present in the body for a very long time before it presents the major symptoms. What we know about the first manifestations of the disease in the early 80s is that they were virulent, and in some cases caused sudden deaths if it attacked the brain or heart, perhaps causing a ruptured blood vessel, or it could cause a slow decline and then the sudden decline that most major illnesses present at the end.
Some virologists attempted to track the rate at which the decline happened after infection, and in many cases it was very quick, although of course in others it wasn't. My guess is that Freddie had a strain, or Freddie's reaction to his infection was that it lay dormant for a while before becoming serious, and it's probable that he became infected some time between '78 and '85, most likely around '81 - '83. There has been some speculation that he knew by Live Aid that he wasn't in perfect health and even Brian May has questioned that he might have known by the Magic Tour that he wasn't going to be able to do another tour for health reasons (it's in the interview sections on the 2003 release).
Whatever the case is, I think that because Freddie was in general very healthy - he ate well, was not over weight and kept active - his body was strong enough to keep things at bay even when he was fighting full blown AIDS. Peter Freestone says that by the time he was diagnosed, he had developed full-blown AIDS (which is a term less used today). Given that was early 1987, he may well have been infected for three to five years.
I think at the time he was infected, there simply weren't the treatments available to fend off the illness without doing serious damage to, or killing the patient. The doctors had told him that he wouldn't see 1989, and that he went on to 1991 is a miracle under the circumstances. It's true that there are some people that were infected in the early 1980s who are still alive and well today, and it's really impossible for us to know why some people die and some people live. Think about other illnesses though - some people catch 'flu and take a heart attack, some people fully recover. I know of someone who was only 25 years old and in otherwise perfect health when he caught 'flu one Christmas, went to bed and didn't wake up again, just died suddenly.
We can sit and wonder, and we can even say 'if only', but I guess there is no point. What's done is done, and we've been without him for 23 years - which is also quite a thought!
My personal hope is that the band find another couple of songs that they had forgotten about that have a vocal as good as Let Me In Your Heart Again!
daaydo
There's no way of knowing exactly when Freddie began to suspect that he had the disease, but I would assume that it was 1985 or 1986 at the latest, because we know that he was diagnosed in the spring of 1987. The first time we can see any signs of Freddie's illness (to my knowledge) is at Live Aid, where you can see a purplish mark underneath his upper right arm (right near his armpit). I'm not a doctor, and so maybe it was just a bruise, but it seems to me like a mark as a result of Kaposi's Sarcoma or something else related to AIDS. You usually live with HIV for up to 10 years before experiencing any AIDS-like symptoms, and if this was true for Freddie, he could have been infected as early as 1975 (although I don't know how likely that was.) But most definitely by the late 1970's or very early 1980's, I would think. It's so sad and frustrating that he couldn't have found out earlier to start treatment or been infected later. I miss him so much!
matt z
It's an ABSOLUTE GREATEST fact that Freddie knew well before the Mr Bad Guy sessions. That's when he wrote Made In Heaven (an epitaph) and My Love Is Dangerous.
He then proceeded to design the music video for it's a hard life with Brian bearing death upon him... just like the thread of BRIAN'S CURSE
Get your facts straight.
I don't wanna bring up old garbage. ... but .
Trolling trolling trolling
Though the streams are swollen
Keep them doggies trollin',
Rawhide
He then proceeded to design the music video for it's a hard life with Brian bearing death upon him... just like the thread of BRIAN'S CURSE
Get your facts straight.
I don't wanna bring up old garbage. ... but .
Trolling trolling trolling
Though the streams are swollen
Keep them doggies trollin',
Rawhide
Hoopsie
People just want to understand...
A man who was almost universally loved contracts a widely misunderstood disease and dies way before his time.
It is natural for people to want to understand what happened, and parsing every comment and scrutinizing every photograph is just some folks way of trying to sort through the facts and get to the jist of what happened. For other people this isn't necessary, but for others a discussion is a way to process our extreme feelings of loss and grief. Not knowing anything is more difficult to deal with than knowing all the facts, where presumably you could grieve and move on.
IMO we are stuck in an endless "What if? When? Who?" loop that will/can never be resolved.
I think it is remarkable that we still care enough to keep trying to understand after all this time.
It is a testament to the level of love we still feel, IMO.
I also think it reprehensible for people who did not experience first hand the lifestyles of the 70's and 80's to cast aspersions on the behaviors of the people who did. Times were different then and Freddie did nothing that thousands of other men and women, gay and straight, did at the time. He was single, he played around.
So did I, so did everyone else.
Those were the times in which we lived.
A man who was almost universally loved contracts a widely misunderstood disease and dies way before his time.
It is natural for people to want to understand what happened, and parsing every comment and scrutinizing every photograph is just some folks way of trying to sort through the facts and get to the jist of what happened. For other people this isn't necessary, but for others a discussion is a way to process our extreme feelings of loss and grief. Not knowing anything is more difficult to deal with than knowing all the facts, where presumably you could grieve and move on.
IMO we are stuck in an endless "What if? When? Who?" loop that will/can never be resolved.
I think it is remarkable that we still care enough to keep trying to understand after all this time.
It is a testament to the level of love we still feel, IMO.
I also think it reprehensible for people who did not experience first hand the lifestyles of the 70's and 80's to cast aspersions on the behaviors of the people who did. Times were different then and Freddie did nothing that thousands of other men and women, gay and straight, did at the time. He was single, he played around.
So did I, so did everyone else.
Those were the times in which we lived.
Hoopsie
double post
scwewywabbit
[QUOTE] [b]ZBGM0 wrote:[/b]
As a straight male I find it inconceivable that we are in 2013 and there are people that think HIV/AIDS was spread by homosexuals. It was spread by everyone.
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Question: do you think that the chances of contracting HIV from vaginal sex and from anal sex are roughly equivalent?
As a straight male I find it inconceivable that we are in 2013 and there are people that think HIV/AIDS was spread by homosexuals. It was spread by everyone.
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Question: do you think that the chances of contracting HIV from vaginal sex and from anal sex are roughly equivalent?
The Real Wizard
^ obviously yes.
It just depends on who has the HIV - the man, the woman, or both.
It just depends on who has the HIV - the man, the woman, or both.
brENsKi
[QUOTE] [b]The Real Wizard wrote:[/b]
^ obviously yes.
It just depends on who has the HIV - the man, the woman, or both.
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'cept where they "both" have HIV then there's no "contracting" - simply exchange and sharing of something they both already had :-)
^ obviously yes.
It just depends on who has the HIV - the man, the woman, or both.
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'cept where they "both" have HIV then there's no "contracting" - simply exchange and sharing of something they both already had :-)
luthorn
Mary Austin said on the record that Freddie knew the Magic Tour was his last, because of his health, so FM must have known at the time he left Knebworth's stage that he had the virus. That's the upper limit August 1986. The lower limit, who knows, maybe 1985, maybe 1984.