Gaddafi Captured and Killed.....

.... apparently he was captured and died of wounds to his legs.

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/reports--gaddafi-captured-in-sirte.html

Awesome.

Now let's stop the hypocrisy and make democracy flourish at home..

Essential viewing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIcqb9hHQ3E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S880UldxB1o

Totally agree, Bob. I am sick to my stomach about the hypocrisy of our politicians. They truly give democracy a bad name.

Don't kid yourselves. The available video footage leaves very little to the imagination. A video shows a living, though wounded, Ghadaffi being manhandled, and a photo shows a dead Ghadaffi...with a bullet hole to the left side of his head that wasn't there previously.

He was executed, plain and simple. Why? Not because it was ordered, but because the 'army' opposing the Ghadaffi-loyalists is made up of equally despicable people as the army fighting for Ghadaffi. These are the thugs and hooligans you see in all countries. They always surface in times of war, all over the world. Ghadaffi may have been a cruel and tough ruler, the army fighting for the NTC is no less dangerous. They will murder any Ghadaffi-family member they find, no doubt whatsoever.

I don't think anyone here has any illusions about that. The idea of justice and lawful procedures seems to have vanished from the face of this planet.

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The added problem is that those rebels who killed Gaddafi were filled with 42 years of hate really. Gaddafi surving and being captured alive then being tried in a court of law was never gonna happen. The new government in Libya will a real tough job on their hands now.

*shrug*  Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

Fuck Libya.  The video I saw could've easily been taken ten years ago under his own regime, but we're supposed to clap like retarded seals because the revolution went well?  Where the fuck am I, the 18th century?  I don't see why I should trust any government that goes for instant justice.  I'm not saying this for humanitarian reasons, because he was going to die anyway, but it's totally wrong what they did with him.  His conduct should've been gone over in court, and the fact of his deeds recognised properly.  

I am no more impressed by this turn of events than I was when the West started playing buddies with Gaddafi a few years ago.

Yes, exactly, Zebonka - but in which way are Western democracies any better? The NATO killed a son of Gadhafi and three of his grandchildren - all under ten years old -  by bombing their home which was never in any way to be justified by UN security council resolution 1973 (2011). It was bloody illegal murder of children and civilians. It did not get so much public attention because hours later President Obama announced the triumphant killing of Osama Bin Laden and people in the US celebrated just the same way as the Libyans did yesterday. Nobody seemed to think a lawful trial is necessary. The only difference is that we do not have mobile phone videos of the killing. I think that is what Bob was referring to by posting the second YT link. We are not any better and it makes me sick. I could not stand watching PM Cameron last night blaming Lockerbie and even the IRA killings on Gadhafi. How stupid does he think we are? Let us not forget how our leaders cooperated with the dictator to get cheap oil and to have someone who kept  the African hunger fugitives from getting into Europe.

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Fuck Libya.  The video I saw could've easily been taken ten years ago under his own regime, but we're supposed to clap like retarded seals because the revolution went well?  Where the fuck am I, the 18th century?  I don't see why I should trust any government that goes for instant justice.  I'm not saying this for humanitarian reasons, because he was going to die anyway, but it's totally wrong what they did with him.  His conduct should've been gone over in court, and the fact of his deeds recognised properly.  

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Seals aren't retarded :-(

While it's certain that he "had to go" and a trial would have produced nothing, I have to agree with TQ about how the whole thing was handled.  THAT was the future of Libya?  The ones who executed him?

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And then to waive the murder weapon around like a festival?

Yeah, it's just the politicians.  PLEASE!!!!   Barb can blame Nato, the U.S., et all... but the bottom line is there's some pretty shitty people in all levels of society.

So what happens when they don't like the next guy?

And once again, Barbara needs to get her facts straight.  No one in the US was waiving the murder weapon around.  How exactly was the U.S. dragging his body around, hooping and hollering above his dead corpse, etc?  Where is that footage that Barbara thinks exists?  Oh wait, a secret plot to confiscate cell phones?  He was given a proper religious burial at sea.  That means someone actually respected the corpse and took time to prepare it for that.  There's your example of Western Democracy being superior to whatever band wagon you're on.

If you think burying a person after killing him illegally makes it right you should read your constitution. Of course polticians made the decision and they are to blame.

Not that I agree with Ron Paul on many isues but here he is right

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_uy29aFzCU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_uy29aFzCU[/url]

International right also forbids killing supects. If we cannot agree even on such a basic rule there is not much hope.

Good.

Good.

"but in which way are Western democracies any better?"

I think you should first find someone who thinks that the West is indeed 'better', and then ask them this question.

I don't think the two deaths - bin laden and Gaddafi - can be compared.

Bin Laden was killed during his type of battle - secret and where it would hurt him most - in a war he declared. The US unit saw two women coming at them and believed they were wired with suicide belts. Bin Laden himself, they say, was reaching for a weapon. They shot him before he could shoot, escape or worse. Bin Laden was killed in battle the same as if he'd walked through his compound and had been shot by a sharpshooter. War sucks. People die. Sometimes even the bad ones. What a pity.

At first, Gaddafi seemed to have met the same fate - death in battle. Reports were he was captured wounded, then died on the way to the hospital. Now, it's clear, he was possibly wounded before he was captured then he was harassed, manhandled and, as he begged for his life, shot in the head execution style.

One is war, one is murder.

Wow, how disappointing to read that from you. Are you telling me that the President of the USA and his Navy Seals are a bunch of bandits who let a  terrorist decide on the rules of a shoot-out? Where is the proof about presumed suicide belts? I cannot believe that you believe that the wives of Bin Laden ran around in their house wearing suicide belts? Are you telling me they killed Bin Laden because they were afraid of his wives? If the wives had not been there it would have just been a friendly visit?

There cannot be a war between an individual and a nation. Bin Laden was probably a criminal who needed to be prosecuted. Definitely it would have been harder to follow the rule of law and catch him an put him to trial. There is no law in the whole world you can quote that would justify to send troops into an allied country and have them shoot someone you think has committed certain crimes. How bizzarre to call this a "war" only to make it sound less of an unlawful, criminal act.