Question(s) for all those that hate Hot Space

yes brEnski I did saw the Hot Space tour, I was that one lucky bastard who was at the Bowl, and Action This Day rocked! Really it did, even Staying Power, why, just because Roger did an awesome job on Power, which is an understatement. But yes your right, mine opinion is an subjective one. The thing with Hot Space is, my first tour I saw was in 1977, yep I'm that old, but in 1982 I couldn't believe that a band with such rock reputation made and released an album as Hot Space. In that time it was only 7 years before they came with BohRap, or only two years before that with Save Me. It wasn't attempt to hook on the notorious disco fever which was at the time 'so huge'...it was a bad mistake. A couple of bad song on an album can't make an album awful. But a lot of bad or call it weak song do make a bad album. I don't hate Hot Space, it's not my favorite. And of course Queen dropped everything of Hot Space on The Works Tour. The Works isn't even an album by Queen 'standards', but oh so much better that Hot Space. Roger really hates Hot Space, that's why the re-release from last year is so disappointing, no extended versions, no demo's, it was Roger's veto on that.
But all in all, regarding Hot Space, it's just my opinion, and somehow I did enjoy the Hot Space Tour, especially the Dutch shows.........

of course they did not dropped everything of HS, luckilly they kept UP on the setlist......my bad.

Tom

Holly2003,
I don't know which two shows you saw on The Works tour, because all the shows I was at they played Staying Power.

As for anyone thinking Fun It isn't a funk song. . . . Go and listen again!

Funk or disco that's a BIG difference. And on Fun It, Brian is throughout the whole song noticeable. The lack on HS ís Brian.......

Funk or disco that's a BIG difference. And on Fun It, Brian is throughout the whole song noticeable. The lack on HS ís Brian.......

sorry double post damn provider!

Well Feddie referred to Hot Space as containing songs "in the funk black category".
I guess he would know what he was talking about. And RT wrote the first Queen song that went in that direction, yes it had guitar on it, but listen to what the Bass and Drums are doing.

There is more Guitar on Hot Space then you may first realize. In fact Body Language is the only song on which BM does not play.

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[b]Vocal harmony wrote: [/b] Holly2003,
I don't know which two shows you saw on The Works tour, because all the shows I was at they played Staying Power.

As for anyone thinking Fun It isn't a funk song. . . . Go and listen again![/QUOTE]
I didn't read that post as implying that Staying Power wasn't played.  I read it to say that the songs weren't popular or in demand on The Works tour and Queen adjusted to this reality by electing not to play them on subsequent outings. I could be completely wrong however.

Either way, I hope everybody that ever saw Queen live and failed to invite me accidentally brushes their teeth with hot water for a week.  All of you!  :P  < That's me and that's also you spitting out your hot water in disgust.  So, you know, ha.

Well vocal harmony guitars on HS or guitar on Fun It, that's a complete other discussion. Guitar on HS, most filling parts, a decent solo can be heard on BC, the rest is harmony guitar, intro's done by synths. On the original version of SP they removed Brian's innput and replaced it with a synth. The demo's from HS proved that Queen had a different intention with HS. If they stick to the demo's, HS wouldn't be that bad. Freddie talkin' 'bout the funk black category is merely his guessing to give HS a label.....my guess is Fred had no idea how to call or sell HS to the diehard fans or Joe Public

Tom

[QUOTE] [b]GratefulFan wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]Vocal harmony wrote: [/b] Holly2003,I don't know which two shows you saw on The Works tour, because all the shows I was at they played Staying Power.As for anyone thinking Fun It isn't a funk song. . . . Go and listen again![/QUOTE] I didn't read that post as implying that Staying Power wasn't played.  I read it to say that the songs weren't popular or in demand on The Works tour and Queen adjusted to this reality by electing not to play them on subsequent outings. I could be completely wrong however.Either way, I hope everybody that ever saw Queen live and failed to invite me accidentally brushes their teeth with hot water for a week.  All of you!  :P  < That's me and that's also you spitting out your hot water in disgust.  So, you know, ha.[/QUOTE]
He said "... And Queen knew this too, since they didn't play any Hot Space songs live again (not counting UP)" and Queen played Staying power many times in The Works Tour...

[QUOTE] [b]plumrach wrote:[/b]
Pretend for a moment that its not a Queen album and that you just randomly came across the album, would you like it then? Or is it because in the fans views it goes against what you feel Queen "should" be producing in the way of music?
Lets not forget that it did pretty well in the UK Charts and it reached number 4 the same as News of the World and thats a decent album as well[/QUOTE]

"Hot Space", with the exception of "Under Pressure", is full of the type of music that I can't stand.

As far as Queen goes it's great that they tried incorporating different genres of music into their songs.
What the problem was with "Hot Space" is that they had a hit with "Another One Bites The Dust" (which came out of no where; they weren't going to release the track as a single) and they jumped on that bandwagon for the next studio lp. They were looking for another hit with the same type of music.

IMO funk/dance/disco was not Queen's forte. Rock fans, Queen's core audience, wanted nothing to do with this direction. This resulted in them leaving in droves.

Queen, somewhat, learned a lesson. It's too bad that Brian and particularly Roger didn't veto Freddie and John's input on that lp.

That lp really hurt them in the U.S. Basically they blew it here. It took "Wayne's World" and Freddie's death to get them back into any type of spotlight here.

[QUOTE] [b]Vocal harmony wrote:[/b]
It was Roger Taylor who introduced funk to a Queen album, Fun It, on Jazz.
It's funny that John and Freddie seem to be blamed for it. On The Game John wrote Another one Bites the Dust which became a huge hit. Hot Space took things further, but it is less then half the album that ventures into Disco/ Dance and one of those is a Brian May song, Dancer.
Hot Space is just Queen being Queen. It's different to the Album before it and different to what came after it, You don't have to like everything they've done. I like it more than The Works and A Kind of Magic. If you don't like it that's fare enough, but it doest make it bad.[/QUOTE]

RE: It was Roger Taylor who introduced funk to a Queen album, Fun It, on Jazz.

Correct. Many people forget that Roger brought that steaming pile to a Queen lp.

The thing is "Fun It" was simply filler. Unless you have the "Jazz" lp you won't have ever heard that song.

With that said "Another One Bites The Dust" really was what people heard first when it comes to a funk Queen song.

[QUOTE] [b]plumrach wrote:[/b]
Also would it not take 4 peoples approval for the album to be released> If Brian and Roger did not like it then why let it go ahead?[/QUOTE]

Advance money from the record company already had been spent.

A tour was lined up. They needed to get the lp out and the record company wanted to make their money.

@phillipstorey

I can't hear Brian at all on Body Language,strange that track did well as a single in America yet the album was a complete disaster in the states.Queen never really recoverd from this and of course then Freddie made the other band members dress up for that video and that was that as far as America went

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If you are talking about I want to Break free, freddie said that it was Rogers idea and he agreed with it

[QUOTE] [b]Vocal harmony wrote:[/b]
Holly2003,
I don't know which two shows you saw on The Works tour, because all the shows I was at they played Staying Power.
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Ah, you;re right. I was at the two Dublin shows, But according to this website Staying POwer was played on about 1/2 the gigs: http://www.queenconcerts.com/live/queen/works1984.html
Still, one song from HS, played only at half the gigs, suggests the band was keen to distance themselves from HS. Surely that's not in dispute?