Sonisphere cancelled

sticking Queen (of any form) on a heavy metal gig can't have helped either!

Why not, Queen started out as a Metal band and have always been viewed a hard rock band despite their forray into other genres. No, Lambert was never cut out for the gig, but there is more to it, people can't afford 3 day gigs anymore at the prices being asked. Im over 40 so yes, I do respect and enjoy PR's music in Free and Bad Company and in Queen. Jeff Scott Soto would have been better than Lambert as he's more heavy rock unlike Lambert who would have been crucified by the Sonisphere Crowd.

[QUOTE] [b]Russian Headlong wrote:[/b]
michael, you know shit. FACT: the two QPR tours sold out in the uk and the outside gig at hyde park. i can't speak for FNM but KISS headlined Download here in England in 2008 and two years ago sold out an arena tour. you are in the minority. REAL queen fans (i.e. from 70's and 80's) don't want adam lambert and have informed Brian and Roger of this, by not buying tickets. Hip new Queen fans (those not old enough to have seen freddie) have done the same too.
At the time of writing it is uncertain if the whole event is cancelled or just the saturday which is when queen and twatface lambert were set to play. you are just a kid and know fuck all like your idiotic friend jazzy mercois so jog on..[/QUOTE]

LoL. I DO know shit. You however have proven you DON'T know shit.

[QUOTE] [b]Doga wrote:[/b]
To be fair, all this hate versus the AL project remaind me to the begining of the Q+PR thing, now, a lot of people want Paul back, thanks to Paul i saw Brian & Roger, and was a fantastic night!
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Agreed.

[QUOTE] [b]Russian Headlong wrote:[/b]
sticking Queen (of any form) on a heavy metal gig can't have helped either!
Why not, Queen started out as a Metal band no. sorry. queen did NOT start out as a metal band - queen started out as a rock band with some glam/prog tendencies, at the time queen began the "metal bands were those like sabbath and zeppelin, the rock bands were those like queen
in between the metal and rock bands were some "hard rock" bands like deep purple
[QUOTE] [b]Russian Headlong wrote:[/b]and have always been viewed a hard rock band despite their forray into other genres.[/QUOTE]and queen have not always been viewed as a hard rock band - at best they are viewed as classic rock

[QUOTE] [b]Russian Headlong wrote:[/b]No, Lambert was never cut out for the gig, but there is more to it, people can't afford 3 day gigs anymore at the prices being asked. Im over 40 so yes, I do respect and enjoy PR's music in Free and Bad Company and in Queen. Jeff Scott Soto would have been better than Lambert as he's more heavy rock unlike Lambert who would have been crucified by the Sonisphere Crowd.[/QUOTE]
that isn't why the tickets didn't sell. it's because the whole line up is crap. Q+AL might be a shit draw but it's not because their music doesn't appeal to metalheads...as someone who attended knebworth in 86 - the bands on show that day - and at milton keynes in 82 were anything but metal....but you know what - there were thousands and thousands of bikers and hard rock fans there on both occasions.
and to suggest that JSS would have rescued the event single-handedly is ridiculous in the extreme

Regardless, and full disclosure, I think AL fronting Queen for 5 seconds let alone as lead act at a festival is ludicrous, Queen are in the Beatles league. Can you imagine tepid sales with ANYONE fronting the Beatles, let alone canceling the event. Sorry, poor reflection on Queen, bad economy or not, it shows there is no appetite for this lineup.

[QUOTE] [b]richjohnson26 wrote:[/b]
I'd be interested to know how many 'casuals' knew PR before he toured with Queen as compared to know who AL is.
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Well I didn't know who Paul Rodgers is but I knew all his hits from Free and Bad Company, I just didn't know his name.

However I know absolutely NOTHING about Adam Lambert. NOBODY in my country has heard about him. Outside America, he is NOBODY. The first time I have heard that he exists was when he sang with Brian and Roger on American Idol or what's the title of the show. I remember wondering why are they wasting their time with this talentless guy and I still am.

I thought his voice is terrible and that he can't sing. Meanwhile I found on youtube some of his other songs and I have to correct my statement - he CAN sing. He just can't sing Queen songs.

sorry brenski, i agree with most of the stuff you write on here, but 'metal' in the 70's is very different to what is considered metal now. Roger and Brian have both in interviews they they felt Queen was a hard rock band. Classic rock is mainly hard rock. I do agree that Lambert wasn't the sole reason but he was a massive factor as he alienated Queen's hard rock fans and PR or JSS would have gone done better. The festival is overpriced and the 3 day events are stupid, cost to much money. They should go back to good old Donington MOR which was a one day festival with 6 really good bands.

[QUOTE] [b]e-man wrote:[/b]
let's hope bri and rog take this as a sign that there are people with other opinions than those voiced in Brian May's incoming mail...
you can't blame anyone, but there's no denying that had any of the 3 headliners been a major act, enough tickets would have been sold to make the festival happen.
i.e = neither KISS, FNM, or Queen & kk are appealing enough for sonisphere
furtermore; I bet had they gotten Aerosmith instead of either KISS,FNM or Qkk - they would have sold enough tickets[/QUOTE]

KISS headlined Download on June 13, 2008:

Details:
Donnington, Derby, England
Download Festival
Promoter: Live Nation-UK
Other Act(s): Judas Priest, Motorhead, Disturbed, Seether, Beat Union, Black Tide
Reported audience: ~55,000 / ~60,000

That was their second time headlining Download/Castle Donnington (1996 being the first time).



2010

March
2 - O2 Academy, Islington, London, England

May
1 - Sheffield Arena, Sheffield, England
2 - Metro Radio Arena, Newcastle, England
4 - Liverpool Arena, Liverpool, England
5 - LG Arena, Birmingham, England
7 - O2 Arena, Dublin, Eire
9 - SECC, Glasgow, Scotland
10 - Manchester Arena, Manchester, England
12 - Wembley Arena, London, England
13 - Wembley Arena, London, England
16 - Hallenstadion, Zurich, Switzerland
17 - Arena Genf, Geneva, Switzerland
18 - Mediolanum Forum, Milan, Italy
20 - Stadhalle, Vienna, Austria
21 - CEZ Aréna, Ostrava, Czech Republic
23 - O2 Arena, Prague, Czech Republic
25 - Leipzig Arena, Leipzig, Germany
26 - O2 World, Berlin, Germany
28 - Papp Laszlo Sport Arena, Budapest, Hungary
29 - Stadion Pasienky, Bratislava, Slovakia
31 - Colorline Arena, Hamburg, Germany

June
1 - König-Pilsener Arena, Oberhausen, Germany
3 - Rock am Ring, Nurburgring, Eifel, Germany
5 - Rock im Park, Zeppelinfeld, Nurnberg, Germany
8 - Lerkendal Open Site, Trondheim, Norway
10 - Sauna Rock, Tampere, Finland
12 - Stockholm Stadium, Stockholm, Sweden
13 - Malmo Stadium, Malmo, Sweden
14 - Valhall, Oslo, Norway
16 - Gigantium, Aalborg, Denmark
18 - Gelredome, Arnhem, Holland
20 - Hellfest, Clisson, France
22 - Palacio De Los Deportes, Madrid, Spain
24 - Palau Sant Jordi, Barcelona, Spain
25 - Azkena Rock Festival, Vitoria-Gasteiz, Spain
27 - Graspop Festival, Boeretangsedreef, Dessel, Belgium

So far that's been KISS' longest, most successful U.K. tour.

KISS play twice as many concerts in Europe than Aerosmith play and in some countries KISS play far larger venues.

[QUOTE] [b]Zebonka12 wrote:[/b]
"Remeber the first Paul gig, in South Africa?"
It was as good as Q+PR got, honestly. It was the only time Paul ever sounded like he wanted to be there, and the only time he put any effort in.[/QUOTE]

Paul put in 100% effort at the MA show I saw on the "Return Of The Champions" tour.

[QUOTE] [b]brENsKi wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]Michael Allred wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]brENsKi wrote:[/b]
well 2/3 rds of it were doomed from the get-go
doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out that queen minus freddie plus adam lambert and kiss minus ace/peter or plus ace/peter for that matter
is not the greatest ticket seller ever..even the touts/scalpers couldn't be arsed
perhaps now, brian, roger, gene and paul will all retire (finally) with whatever modicum of self-respect remains[/QUOTE]
KISS have been doing VERY well w/o Ace and Peter for some time now.[/QUOTE]
the statement i made was very clear. i said minus OR plus ace/peter....in other words it makes no difference - they're not a great ticket seller over here
and the cancellation due to poor ticket sales confirms that i was right[/QUOTE]

KISS has done very well in the U.K./Europe.

Time to get your head out of your ass.

[QUOTE] [b]Sheer Brass Neck wrote:[/b]
Regardless, and full disclosure, I think AL fronting Queen for 5 seconds let alone as lead act at a festival is ludicrous, Queen are in the Beatles league. Can you imagine tepid sales with ANYONE fronting the Beatles, let alone canceling the event. Sorry, poor reflection on Queen, bad economy or not, it shows there is no appetite for this lineup.[/QUOTE]

False. The media jumped ALL OVER that story. Clearly there is interest. Even though Russia is something of an odd place, let's see how their Moscow show sells.

Fair game Michael, I can't disagree with you on that comment. However, and we'll never prove it, I would be shocked if The Beatles (or ABBA for that matter) played with anyone and didn't sell a gazillion tickets. Putting aside Adam Lambert for a second, I think people, including casual fans, are tired of Brian and Roger and whoever it is. It's a rotating cast, it features members of Queen but each incarnation muddies up who Queen is/are/were.

[QUOTE]Queen are in the Beatles league[/QUOTE]

Maybe in the UK, but not anywhere else.  But then, you don't see The Ringo Starr All Star Band trying to play a stadium the size of Wembley.  Brian and Roger needed to consider that prior to agreeing to the bill... if they were indeed to be the Headline act.  A metal show, with Adam Lambert.  Hmmm....  didn't anyone do any due diligence on this one?

I'd argue "in the Beatles league" in Europe, Japan and South America. North America, not even close. Then again The Stones are huge in North America compared to Queen, and dwarfed everywhere else including the UK.

The Beatles are the biggest act of the last hundred years. Queen are my favourite band, but I absolutely cannot rationalize the idea that they were equally ground-breaking or influential as The Beatles. Nobody comes close.

But this is always an interesting discussion, so I'm all ears.