What REALLY happened

I've heard live bootlegs of it, and the best way I could describe it is that it's loosely in a similar sort of vein to Son and Daughter. A sort of heavy, slow plodder, with a fast bit in the middle.

[QUOTE]Because the value to these guys is in the item itself[/QUOTE]

Yes, I see, but I'm sure if it is also unreleased that only increases the value.  But I believe it was said earlier in the thread that this secret society wants to keep some thing unknown to the general public.  So if the rare item is not known to the general public, is it really THAT in demand?

I have, for example, a studio out-take of "Hamster With A Roll Of Tape"... an unreleased demo from the Sheer Heart Attack sessions.  It was something John, Brian, and Freddie worked on while Roger was at the clinic for that week in January 73.  It got shelved for years until Freddie bought his drum machine.  He doodled around but later decided to keep it hidden.  Then I introduce him to Jim Hutton and he gives me the cassette (which only John and Brian know about) in exchange for the introduction and tells me not to tell anybody.  Do I have a hot rarity?  No one knows about it.  How do you determine a price for that?  Is it worth $200 or $20,000?  And if it turns out years later that Freddie was handing out "Hamster" cassettes in exchange for hookups, did we all get fooled? 

Damn, this is an interesting FINE LINE topic....

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[b]Lord Fickle wrote: [/b] I've heard live bootlegs of it, and the best way I could describe it is that it's loosely in a similar sort of vein to Son and Daughter. A sort of heavy, slow plodder, with a fast bit in the middle.[/QUOTE]

See?  Now this is exactly what I think makes this all worth while.  If you had sent me 20 seconds of it, I probably would have been disappointed.  But now, the legend continues and I do want to hear it one day.  I'm glad there's something still out there that may see the light of day.

I won't pay top dollar for it, but I'll continue to follow this band and buy the new releases for the studio version of Human Body, etc.  This damn internet has taken a lot of the fun out of being a "non-collector" collector.

That "Hamster With a Roll of Tape" demo was actually from years earlier. They wrapped so much tape around the hamster, it eventually became Great King Rat. :)

hahahaha

Well I'm glad the Reaction stuff leaked. I think it's rubbish that this nerdy "Fanthology" clique only let each other hear this stuff that we all should be able to hear as fans of this band. Hell, if I had the money I'd be buying up every acetate I could find and share it with one and all.

Why can't people understand this simple logic?

Hypothetically speaking:

- I have a rare recording of Freddie Mercury singing "My Way"
- A guy in Johannesburg has soundboard recordings of all of the Sun City shows
- I want his recordings so I trade him my recording in exchange for a couple of his shows
- He then trades another show with inu-liger (for example)
- And then he trades another with John S. Stuart
- Eventually he's got everything he needs or can get from us so he allows us to distribute the recordings of all Johannesburg shows

That's how the Houston DVD got leaked. That's how Drammen got leaked. That's how many more rarities got leaked.

Now, if I gave away the aforementioned tape of "My Way" for free on QueenZone the guy in Johannesburg would have no incentive to share his recordings, would he?

That's why John S. Stuart is holding on to the "Hangman" acetate - not because he paid a gazillion dollars for it, but because he can LIBERATE many more recordings (live and studio) thanks to that one song!

Which he has done in the past, but it all happens behind the scenes so most of you (us!) don't know what the fuck we're talking about here.

So, pretty please, put a sock in it, will ya?

And enjoy the BBC sessions master tapes. God knows that you won't be getting those in complete form from QPL in this decade either!

V.

And for the record - I am not a member of Fanthology. I have never been a member of Fanthology and in fact I only heard about the group a couple of days ago, even though at least two of my friends on Facebook are members.

Nor would I have anything to offer the group if I were invited.

Nor do I want to be invited - I prefer to get my downloads the old-fashioned way: on QueenZone or on the Hub.

V.

Its a fucking song. Really guys, we're all Queen fans here and deserve to listen to it.

[QUOTE] [b]DaveyLane wrote:[/b]
Hell, if I had the money I'd be buying up every acetate I could find and share it with one and all.[/QUOTE]
Or perhaps you could try and trade its contents for contents of another acetate, and again, and again, and have several things to eventually share?

Sharing your first one is a very silly idea, as you close doors to opportunities to obtain more - for everyone's benefit.

Despite all that's gone on thanks to Fuller, I just hope some day soon, JSS will get the Fanthology group to agree to reconvene and continue to assemble their work together, since the intention WAS to release it to all the fans eventually.
It does look rather bad on the group in a way that they've U-Turned themselves back into Locker Village and essentially flippedthe collective bird to the fan community, so to speak (no offense intended to anyone involved in the group). And people will surely realize this once the dust settles on the DF controversy.

[QUOTE] [b]Biggzy10 wrote:[/b]
Its a fucking song. Really guys, we're all Queen fans here and deserve to listen to it.[/QUOTE]


Ah yes, 'it's a fucking song'. Though I'm not sure if I'd be knocking boots so to speak while listening to it...

This being said...who exactly 'deserves' to listen to it? Because you're a fan? I'm a fan too...does this mean I DESERVE to listen to it?

I love how some (not all) on this forum swear that they are deserving to hear this or that...I could honestly care less if I hear it! I bought the CD's (minus the countless GH compilations lol), I deserve to hear those because...well...I bought the fucking things lol!

[QUOTE] [b]bigV wrote:[/b]
Why can't people understand this simple logic?
Hypothetically speaking:
- I have a rare recording of Freddie Mercury singing "My Way"
- A guy in Johannesburg has soundboard recordings of all of the Sun City shows
- I want his recordings so I trade him my recording in exchange for a couple of his shows
- He then trades another show with inu-liger (for example)
- And then he trades another with John S. Stuart
- Eventually he's got everything he needs or can get from us so he allows us to distribute the recordings of all Johannesburg shows
That's how the Houston DVD got leaked. That's how Drammen got leaked. That's how many more rarities got leaked.
Now, if I gave away the aforementioned tape of "My Way" for free on QueenZone the guy in Johannesburg would have no incentive to share his recordings, would he?
That's why John S. Stuart is holding on to the "Hangman" acetate - not because he paid a gazillion dollars for it, but because he can LIBERATE many more recordings (live and studio) thanks to that one song!
Which he has done in the past, but it all happens behind the scenes so most of you (us!) don't know what the fuck we're talking about here.
So, pretty please, put a sock in it, will ya?
And enjoy the BBC sessions master tapes. God knows that you won't be getting those in complete form from QPL in this decade either!
V.
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Perfectly written

[QUOTE] [b]bigV wrote:[/b]
Why can't people understand this simple logic?
Hypothetically speaking:
- I have a rare recording of Freddie Mercury singing "My Way"
- A guy in Johannesburg has soundboard recordings of all of the Sun City shows
- I want his recordings so I trade him my recording in exchange for a couple of his shows
- He then trades another show with inu-liger (for example)
- And then he trades another with John S. Stuart
- Eventually he's got everything he needs or can get from us so he allows us to distribute the recordings of all Johannesburg shows
[/QUOTE]

It's simple alright... A bit too simple in fact.

How does a trader know when he's got everything? There's always the possibility of finding a new contact who doesn't have all the material, and that's why a serious trader will never let ANYTHING be distributed freely.

Houston or Drammen didn't arrive into public domain because everybody already had them, they arrived because somebody got tired of sitting on these recordings for decadeas and wanted people to actually hear them.

I'm not against trading material (as long as there's no money involved), and it's every trader's right to sit on any recording for as long as he wants, but let's not think they're generous when one of them gets tired of the waiting game.