The live slip-ups are part of the performance and inherent to the time-document.
Can you imagine Nirvana 'fixing' the guitar solo to Man Who Sold The World??!?!
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Graeme Arnott
Not to put Paul down - as I am a big fan - but Paul had plenty of breaks during the concert.
mooghead
All officially released Queen gigs have been overdubbed to buggery (thats an expression from the North of England!)
All you are left with is poor quality mono fan recordings.
Bearing in mind Queen's live reputation its a pretty sad state of affairs.
All you are left with is poor quality mono fan recordings.
Bearing in mind Queen's live reputation its a pretty sad state of affairs.
people on streets
[QUOTE] [b]The Real Wizard wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]Vocal harmony wrote:[/b]
Of course Frank Zappa being Frank Zappa, on the album Joe Garage, dubbed live guitar solos into the studio recording!
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^ Definition of genius.[/QUOTE]
He also dubbed his live recordings with studio work. Quite ugly as a matter of fact.
[QUOTE] [b]Vocal harmony wrote:[/b]
Of course Frank Zappa being Frank Zappa, on the album Joe Garage, dubbed live guitar solos into the studio recording!
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^ Definition of genius.[/QUOTE]
He also dubbed his live recordings with studio work. Quite ugly as a matter of fact.
john bodega
"Sorry if this sounds like a dumb question, but how can you even tell if a live show's been overdubbed?"
If you've listened to it enough times, the edits start to pop out at you. No matter how much effort they put into the overdubs, the sound will change slightly.
Another one I only noticed when I was syncing the live audio to Wembley was that, once I watched the official DVD later on - you can hear bits of the actual performance (very faintly) underneath the overdub. It would be because onstage bleed from the monitors into other mics (the drum mics, guitar mics, etc).
So even if it's very hard to discern, for brief moments you do hear two Freddies at times.
If you've listened to it enough times, the edits start to pop out at you. No matter how much effort they put into the overdubs, the sound will change slightly.
Another one I only noticed when I was syncing the live audio to Wembley was that, once I watched the official DVD later on - you can hear bits of the actual performance (very faintly) underneath the overdub. It would be because onstage bleed from the monitors into other mics (the drum mics, guitar mics, etc).
So even if it's very hard to discern, for brief moments you do hear two Freddies at times.
Holly2003
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[b]Vocal harmony wrote: [/b] [QUOTE][b]Holly2003 wrote:[/b]
Yes, Rodgers could definitely reproduce his nasal whine far more consistantly than Fred, especially the lyrics "lurrve yewww" .[/QUOTE]
At least he did it night after night, in tune without breaking up or losing pitch. Something Freddie couldn't do as often.[/QUOTE]
A nasal whine repeated night after night is still a nasal whine.
Radio Ga Ga, Someone still lurves huuuw...
[b]Vocal harmony wrote: [/b] [QUOTE][b]Holly2003 wrote:[/b]
Yes, Rodgers could definitely reproduce his nasal whine far more consistantly than Fred, especially the lyrics "lurrve yewww" .[/QUOTE]
At least he did it night after night, in tune without breaking up or losing pitch. Something Freddie couldn't do as often.[/QUOTE]
A nasal whine repeated night after night is still a nasal whine.
Radio Ga Ga, Someone still lurves huuuw...
Band Forever
Rodgers was never in tune or the right key ffs.
He didn't have Fred's range for a start. A steady Eddie with his middle of the road vocals.
He didn't have Fred's range for a start. A steady Eddie with his middle of the road vocals.
brENsKi
i agree with most of the points made so far that are pro authentic recordings.
as some one who attended MK and wembley saturday i find the official recordings awful. if i buy a live recording of a gig i attend, i would at least like it to sound exactly as it was...that way it's a perfectly less-than-perfect perfect memento of the event
as regards the 70s gigs - yes, and our very own Queen were one of the very worst offenders - Live Killers had over 50 sources for 23 tracks...scandalous
as regards Lizzy's L&D - one story I heard was that by the end of the studio re-recording of the live parts the only bits not overdubbed or corrected were the crowd noises
there's a "philly uncut" re-release of the L&D album which is supposed to be the set redone with all of the overdubs and shit taken out...i'm not convinced...many of the vocals sound identical
as some one who attended MK and wembley saturday i find the official recordings awful. if i buy a live recording of a gig i attend, i would at least like it to sound exactly as it was...that way it's a perfectly less-than-perfect perfect memento of the event
as regards the 70s gigs - yes, and our very own Queen were one of the very worst offenders - Live Killers had over 50 sources for 23 tracks...scandalous
as regards Lizzy's L&D - one story I heard was that by the end of the studio re-recording of the live parts the only bits not overdubbed or corrected were the crowd noises
there's a "philly uncut" re-release of the L&D album which is supposed to be the set redone with all of the overdubs and shit taken out...i'm not convinced...many of the vocals sound identical
Vocal harmony
[QUOTE] [b]people on streets wrote:[/b]
He also dubbed his live recordings with studio work. Quite ugly as a matter of fact.[/QUOTE]
Yes he did, but he was quite open about it in interviews. It was done from an artistic point of view rather than to cover up mistakes. He made High quality recordings of most of his gigs, his band were always at the top of their game, if he had wanted to release a live song from a particular tour he could have easily found well played versions without the need for extra studio work.
He viewed the studio as a tool for the construction of music in the same way as he viewed the guitar as a tool to produce sound.
If your going to criticize you need to understand what your leveling the criticism at.
He also dubbed his live recordings with studio work. Quite ugly as a matter of fact.[/QUOTE]
Yes he did, but he was quite open about it in interviews. It was done from an artistic point of view rather than to cover up mistakes. He made High quality recordings of most of his gigs, his band were always at the top of their game, if he had wanted to release a live song from a particular tour he could have easily found well played versions without the need for extra studio work.
He viewed the studio as a tool for the construction of music in the same way as he viewed the guitar as a tool to produce sound.
If your going to criticize you need to understand what your leveling the criticism at.
the dude 1366
Even if there is a few overdubs it is in the interest of not losing a reputation. The most fake and overdubbed live albums are by KISS. They even stole some crowd cheering from a Rolling Stones live album. If yo usee Kiss, they were so amateur in the 70's that they often moved their mouths away from the mic to watch their own guitar playing. Pathetic.
AlexRocks
Most if not all commercial live releases are not entirely live and have over dubs. Sorry if that some how ruins something for you but it is probably good in some ways. This is according to Gene Simmons of KISS.
The Real Wizard
[QUOTE] [b]Vocal harmony wrote:[/b]
Yes he did, but he was quite open about it in interviews. It was done from an artistic point of view rather than to cover up mistakes. He made High quality recordings of most of his gigs, his band were always at the top of their game, if he had wanted to release a live song from a particular tour he could have easily found well played versions without the need for extra studio work.
He viewed the studio as a tool for the construction of music in the same way as he viewed the guitar as a tool to produce sound.
If your going to criticize you need to understand what your leveling the criticism at.[/QUOTE]
Amen.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenochrony
Yes he did, but he was quite open about it in interviews. It was done from an artistic point of view rather than to cover up mistakes. He made High quality recordings of most of his gigs, his band were always at the top of their game, if he had wanted to release a live song from a particular tour he could have easily found well played versions without the need for extra studio work.
He viewed the studio as a tool for the construction of music in the same way as he viewed the guitar as a tool to produce sound.
If your going to criticize you need to understand what your leveling the criticism at.[/QUOTE]
Amen.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenochrony
GratefulFan
[QUOTE] [b]the dude 1366 wrote:[/b]If yo usee Kiss, they were so amateur in the 70's that they often moved their mouths away from the mic to watch their own guitar playing. Pathetic.[/QUOTE]
And that was just the drummer!
And that was just the drummer!
matt z
Great topic manly for what it exposes.
I always thought that even though Freddie took a lower register on the high part of WWTLF... That he sounded pretty "cleaned" up...as opposed tho his throaty+chesty voice of the show....
Anyways, albums like KISS III seemed kinda polished.
I had never been a fan until I heard that album. And looking back, their "hits" sound so wank and amateurish that its embarrassing.
In either event, production-wise...they were one of the best bands I had seen growing up (first live band I had seen)
But that all got put away once I'd seen Nevermore and In Flames... Sam Moore, Little Richard and Ronnie James Dio with Sabbath (as well as Jimmy Cliff this last weekend)
Performance is an art... The guys proceeding them were far greater in intimacy and carrying the song than Kiss was at doing a schtick.
I'm sure Kiss had more poonany after the show, but that's cause its a name brand.
Anyways, I digress.
It DOES seem like most bands patch up their "live" shows..
That said... Alice Cooper's LOVE IT TO DEATH, the Beatles REVOLVER and QUEEN'S "LIVE KILLERS" were so completely instrumental toward my playing music; they might as well be classified as my first breath.
True, it cheapens the notion of "live" but ....yeah, they wanna look good.
If a feedback squeal comes through...odds are someone will object...and that gets the ball rolling... One thing leads to another and soon you find it all altered beyond reality.
I always thought that even though Freddie took a lower register on the high part of WWTLF... That he sounded pretty "cleaned" up...as opposed tho his throaty+chesty voice of the show....
Anyways, albums like KISS III seemed kinda polished.
I had never been a fan until I heard that album. And looking back, their "hits" sound so wank and amateurish that its embarrassing.
In either event, production-wise...they were one of the best bands I had seen growing up (first live band I had seen)
But that all got put away once I'd seen Nevermore and In Flames... Sam Moore, Little Richard and Ronnie James Dio with Sabbath (as well as Jimmy Cliff this last weekend)
Performance is an art... The guys proceeding them were far greater in intimacy and carrying the song than Kiss was at doing a schtick.
I'm sure Kiss had more poonany after the show, but that's cause its a name brand.
Anyways, I digress.
It DOES seem like most bands patch up their "live" shows..
That said... Alice Cooper's LOVE IT TO DEATH, the Beatles REVOLVER and QUEEN'S "LIVE KILLERS" were so completely instrumental toward my playing music; they might as well be classified as my first breath.
True, it cheapens the notion of "live" but ....yeah, they wanna look good.
If a feedback squeal comes through...odds are someone will object...and that gets the ball rolling... One thing leads to another and soon you find it all altered beyond reality.
cmsdrums
Live Killers only has a few overdubs, and is mostly as it was, but is cut from numerous performances in search of the perfect performance.
Check out the UK rock band Thunder - one of the only acts I know of that has released a lot of live albums and DVDs without a single overdub. It's all live, and bloody tight.
Check out the UK rock band Thunder - one of the only acts I know of that has released a lot of live albums and DVDs without a single overdub. It's all live, and bloody tight.