oliverd05
Yeahh microwave I completely agree with you
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mooghead
"But I don't think I should pay YOU for a recording of a band that you paid some guy ten bucks for."
So people should give stuff away they have paid for? Even better....?!?
So people should give stuff away they have paid for? Even better....?!?
Hangman_96
It'll just kill this... spirit of trade...
The Real Wizard
[QUOTE] [b]thomasquinn 32989 wrote:[/b]
Incidentally, it strikes me that the 'hard core' traders of Queen-materials are often much, much worse than the fanatical traders who specialize in other bands. That does worry me a little sometimes.[/QUOTE]
Oh god no, not a chance.
Zeppelin collectors are 10x worse.
http://www.thetradersden.org/forums/showthread.php?t=23718
Incidentally, it strikes me that the 'hard core' traders of Queen-materials are often much, much worse than the fanatical traders who specialize in other bands. That does worry me a little sometimes.[/QUOTE]
Oh god no, not a chance.
Zeppelin collectors are 10x worse.
http://www.thetradersden.org/forums/showthread.php?t=23718
Roger's Beard
[QUOTE] [b]oliverd05 wrote:[/b]
after the Kerry Ellis & Brian May anthems tour producing practically no result..."[/QUOTE]
This tour produced practically no results because (apart from THREE people I know about) no fucker actually had the balls to take some recording equipment and record the shows, yet there were plenty of folks saying they'd been to one and did anyone have a recording.
That's why trading still exists to a large degree I think and certainly why some recordings aren't given away freely.
It seems to me that it's the same core of people over and over again that record the shows they go to and, when you're taking the risk of being thrown out if you're caught (and it does happen, trust me!), maybe you can understand the reluctance of some folks to constantly give everything away, especially when there are so many people here who demand those shows as if it's their God-given right to be given copies for free.
I can relate to your point about newbies not having anything to trade as I was in that position once. Luckily for me though I'd recorded one of Roger's 1994 concerts a few years earlier and had a few off-air TV recordings that I could trade with an American (it was Trancer actually), and he was kind enough to give back more than he took, although he was paid back in full and more with the shows I recorded in 98 & 99.
It's also about building relationships and trust with people as well.
after the Kerry Ellis & Brian May anthems tour producing practically no result..."[/QUOTE]
This tour produced practically no results because (apart from THREE people I know about) no fucker actually had the balls to take some recording equipment and record the shows, yet there were plenty of folks saying they'd been to one and did anyone have a recording.
That's why trading still exists to a large degree I think and certainly why some recordings aren't given away freely.
It seems to me that it's the same core of people over and over again that record the shows they go to and, when you're taking the risk of being thrown out if you're caught (and it does happen, trust me!), maybe you can understand the reluctance of some folks to constantly give everything away, especially when there are so many people here who demand those shows as if it's their God-given right to be given copies for free.
I can relate to your point about newbies not having anything to trade as I was in that position once. Luckily for me though I'd recorded one of Roger's 1994 concerts a few years earlier and had a few off-air TV recordings that I could trade with an American (it was Trancer actually), and he was kind enough to give back more than he took, although he was paid back in full and more with the shows I recorded in 98 & 99.
It's also about building relationships and trust with people as well.
Roger's Beard
[QUOTE] [b]Gregsynth wrote:[/b]
If you receive a recording from someone, but refuse to share it at all--then it's hoarding (because it's not yours).
I consider hoarding to be when you keep recordings (or another medium) that you personally had nothing to do with--yet for some reason (and it's mostly dumb reasons), don't want to share it.
[/QUOTE]
I think you'll find that the reason most stuff is 'hoarded' is because a promise has been made to the person who 'gave' you the material to keep it to yourself.
Firstly, you don't look a gift-horse in the mouth and secondly you don't bite the hand that feeds...
As far as I'm concerned, any 'hoarded' material I may have is not mine to freely do with as I wish, but should the person who gave/traded it with me decide to give it a general release, then that's up to them.
Of course, some things do eventually get 'leaked' and that's generally when it has outlived it's useful trading life.
Other items that get released, like audience recordings that have lain in someones collection for decades, can simply hav e been done so by someone who isn't that bothered about collecting and simply feels the world should hear them.
In an ideal world we would all share things freely, but sadly that's not the case, especially with material that was originally sourced from either the bands archives or an outside contractor who has worked on such material: these people want to get that material out there, but not at the cost of their jobs and so it is traded slowly for years amongst the fabled "Elite"...
If you receive a recording from someone, but refuse to share it at all--then it's hoarding (because it's not yours).
I consider hoarding to be when you keep recordings (or another medium) that you personally had nothing to do with--yet for some reason (and it's mostly dumb reasons), don't want to share it.
[/QUOTE]
I think you'll find that the reason most stuff is 'hoarded' is because a promise has been made to the person who 'gave' you the material to keep it to yourself.
Firstly, you don't look a gift-horse in the mouth and secondly you don't bite the hand that feeds...
As far as I'm concerned, any 'hoarded' material I may have is not mine to freely do with as I wish, but should the person who gave/traded it with me decide to give it a general release, then that's up to them.
Of course, some things do eventually get 'leaked' and that's generally when it has outlived it's useful trading life.
Other items that get released, like audience recordings that have lain in someones collection for decades, can simply hav e been done so by someone who isn't that bothered about collecting and simply feels the world should hear them.
In an ideal world we would all share things freely, but sadly that's not the case, especially with material that was originally sourced from either the bands archives or an outside contractor who has worked on such material: these people want to get that material out there, but not at the cost of their jobs and so it is traded slowly for years amongst the fabled "Elite"...
Roger's Beard
[QUOTE] [b]The Real Wizard wrote:[/b]
What makes old recordings collectible is the fact that they are documents of a time when it was a challenge to tape them. These days anyone can do it with relative ease.
[/QUOTE]
If only more people would!
What makes old recordings collectible is the fact that they are documents of a time when it was a challenge to tape them. These days anyone can do it with relative ease.
[/QUOTE]
If only more people would!
pittrek
[QUOTE] [b]pootle1 wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]Gregsynth wrote:[/b]
If you receive a recording from someone, but refuse to share it at all--then it's hoarding (because it's not yours).
I consider hoarding to be when you keep recordings (or another medium) that you personally had nothing to do with--yet for some reason (and it's mostly dumb reasons), don't want to share it.
[/QUOTE]
I think you'll find that the reason most stuff is 'hoarded' is because a promise has been made to the person who 'gave' you the material to keep it to yourself.
Firstly, you don't look a gift-horse in the mouth and secondly you don't bite the hand that feeds...
As far as I'm concerned, any 'hoarded' material I may have is not mine to freely do with as I wish, but should the person who gave/traded it with me decide to give it a general release, then that's up to them.
Of course, some things do eventually get 'leaked' and that's generally when it has outlived it's useful trading life.
Other items that get released, like audience recordings that have lain in someones collection for decades, can simply have been done so by someone who isn't that bothered about collecting and simply feels the world should hear them.
In an ideal world we would all share things freely, but sadly that's not the case, especially with material that was originally sourced from either the bands archives or an outside contractor who has worked on such material: these people want to get that material out there, but not at the cost of their jobs and so it is traded slowly for years amongst the fabled "Elite"...[/QUOTE]
Well said, Mr.
[QUOTE] [b]Gregsynth wrote:[/b]
If you receive a recording from someone, but refuse to share it at all--then it's hoarding (because it's not yours).
I consider hoarding to be when you keep recordings (or another medium) that you personally had nothing to do with--yet for some reason (and it's mostly dumb reasons), don't want to share it.
[/QUOTE]
I think you'll find that the reason most stuff is 'hoarded' is because a promise has been made to the person who 'gave' you the material to keep it to yourself.
Firstly, you don't look a gift-horse in the mouth and secondly you don't bite the hand that feeds...
As far as I'm concerned, any 'hoarded' material I may have is not mine to freely do with as I wish, but should the person who gave/traded it with me decide to give it a general release, then that's up to them.
Of course, some things do eventually get 'leaked' and that's generally when it has outlived it's useful trading life.
Other items that get released, like audience recordings that have lain in someones collection for decades, can simply have been done so by someone who isn't that bothered about collecting and simply feels the world should hear them.
In an ideal world we would all share things freely, but sadly that's not the case, especially with material that was originally sourced from either the bands archives or an outside contractor who has worked on such material: these people want to get that material out there, but not at the cost of their jobs and so it is traded slowly for years amongst the fabled "Elite"...[/QUOTE]
Well said, Mr.
pittrek
[QUOTE] [b]The Real Wizard wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]thomasquinn 32989 wrote:[/b]
Incidentally, it strikes me that the 'hard core' traders of Queen-materials are often much, much worse than the fanatical traders who specialize in other bands. That does worry me a little sometimes.[/QUOTE]
Oh god no, not a chance.
Zeppelin collectors are 10x worse.
http://www.thetradersden.org/forums/showthread.php?t=23718
[/QUOTE]
Oh that is a very very sad thread
[QUOTE] [b]thomasquinn 32989 wrote:[/b]
Incidentally, it strikes me that the 'hard core' traders of Queen-materials are often much, much worse than the fanatical traders who specialize in other bands. That does worry me a little sometimes.[/QUOTE]
Oh god no, not a chance.
Zeppelin collectors are 10x worse.
http://www.thetradersden.org/forums/showthread.php?t=23718
[/QUOTE]
Oh that is a very very sad thread
The Real Wizard
Sad .. or amazing?
I find the mudslinging entertaining.
I find the mudslinging entertaining.
Marknow
I often wonder what Freddie or Brian etc would make of this place.
A load of idiots, arguing over fuck all I would imagine.
It's only a hobby, like stamps or something.
A load of idiots, arguing over fuck all I would imagine.
It's only a hobby, like stamps or something.
mooghead
"It's only a hobby, like stamps or something."
Exactly, and what you do with your stamps is completely up to you.
Exactly, and what you do with your stamps is completely up to you.
Marknow
[QUOTE] [b]mooghead wrote:[/b]
Exactly, and what you do with your stamps is completely up to you.[/QUOTE]
Indeed.
Exactly, and what you do with your stamps is completely up to you.[/QUOTE]
Indeed.
Gregsynth
[QUOTE] [b]pootle1 wrote:[/b]
I think you'll find that the reason most stuff is 'hoarded' is because a promise has been made to the person who 'gave' you the material to keep it to yourself.
[/QUOTE]
That kind of stuff just kills the spirit of trading and collecting. That's like saying "Oh, you can have this and listen to it, but no one else can." That's the kind of elitist behavior that really gets under my skin. If someone gave me a recording--but asked not to let anyone else hear it, I'd actually refuse to listen to the recording. It would be a completely different story if the recording eventually would be shared among the public, but completely shutting the door on a recording (without the intent of letting anybody hear it) comes off as really elitist. It actually closes the doors on future trades and hurts everybody involved.
I'd much rather have the scenario of the original taper keeping his/her own recording to themselves--rather than the original taper giving a copy to someone--but refuses to let them share it.
I think you'll find that the reason most stuff is 'hoarded' is because a promise has been made to the person who 'gave' you the material to keep it to yourself.
[/QUOTE]
That kind of stuff just kills the spirit of trading and collecting. That's like saying "Oh, you can have this and listen to it, but no one else can." That's the kind of elitist behavior that really gets under my skin. If someone gave me a recording--but asked not to let anyone else hear it, I'd actually refuse to listen to the recording. It would be a completely different story if the recording eventually would be shared among the public, but completely shutting the door on a recording (without the intent of letting anybody hear it) comes off as really elitist. It actually closes the doors on future trades and hurts everybody involved.
I'd much rather have the scenario of the original taper keeping his/her own recording to themselves--rather than the original taper giving a copy to someone--but refuses to let them share it.
Gregsynth
I'd also like to add that since I'm not a hardcore trader and very young (and haven't experienced all this trading stuff dating back through the decades), I'm probably not "getting it" or missing something about the whole trading/collecting thing. I'm just more of a "together" or a "team person" who wants everybody happy and likes everybody hearing music and new recordings!