12 Killed in Colorado During The Dark Knight Screening

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[b]YourValentine wrote: [/b] Microwave - what are your suggestions to help preventing such incidents in the future?
Certainly we will disagree about how the justice system should deal with criminals but I did not understand your posting concerning gun laws etc. Do you think that stricter gun laws could prevent such shootings?[/QUOTE]

No, I am stating that (once again) gun laws did NOTHING to affect what happened here. 

And now posting his picture and talking to former friends and family to hear about what a nice guy he was all weekend?  Really?

That will certainly discourage the next idiot from doing something like this.

[QUOTE] [b]Micrówave wrote:[/b]
I am stating that (once again) gun laws did NOTHING to affect what happened here.[/QUOTE]
There are more gun fatalities in the USA per capita than any other developed country worldwide, by far.

The USA is the only country in the developed world where you can buy a gun at the corner store.

The entire civilized outside world sees a correlation, but I have little doubt that you won't.

Real Wizard....

Step off. 

In Switzerland, according to 2001 statistics, it is noted that there are about 420,000 assault rifles stored at private homes, mostly SIG SG 550 types. Additionally, there are some 320,000 semi-auto rifles and military pistols exempted from military service in private possession, all selective-fire weapons having been converted to semi-automatic operation only. In addition, there are several hundred thousand other semi-automatic small arms classified as carbines. The total number of firearms in private homes is estimated minimally at 1.2 million to 3 million.

So to debate the rest of your point would be pointless, seeing that you have your facts confused.....  again.

No offense, but you really need to stay out of these kind of debates.  You definitely do NOT represent the entire civilized world.  Wake up, and see the picture below.  That is a common site in Switzerland.

Should I research the rest of the world for you, since you seem to make this stuff up as you go?

The following cannot be done in the U.S., legally...

you should probably post what the population is or a percent of somekind.

Total Firearm related death rates:

South Africa 74.57
Columbia 51.77
El Salvador 50.36
Jamaica 47.44
Honduras 46.70
Guatemala 38.52
Swaziland 37.16
Brazil 14.15
Estonia 12.74
Panama 12.92
Mexico 12.07
United States 10.27

You have to be able to interpret data, not just read from one list.

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[b]emrabt wrote: [/b] you should probably post what the population is or a percent of somekind.[/QUOTE]

I'm not sure why that matters.  Percentage of gun owners has nothing to do with this shooting.  Unfortunately, a lot of people think if there's no legal way of obtaining hand guns, no one will get shot... and that's just not true.  It's fairly easy to obtain a handgun in just about every part of the world.

[QUOTE] [b]Micrówave wrote:[/b]
The following cannot be done in the U.S., legally...[/QUOTE]

So where was the picture taken, and is it a real weapon?

(I assume you know it, or your message would be pointless...)

It was taken in Switzerland

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Caroline-Migros-p1000507.jpg

Now, if I wanna play your game, I guess we could debate it the gun was real or not, or if the store was real or not, etc.  I would think it quite bizarre to go thru all the trouble of staging that photo.

[QUOTE] [b]Micrówave wrote:[/b]
Total Firearm related death rates:
South Africa 74.57
Columbia 51.77
El Salvador 50.36
Jamaica 47.44
Honduras 46.70
Guatemala 38.52
Swaziland 37.16
Brazil 14.15
Estonia 12.74
Panama 12.92
Mexico 12.07
United States 10.27
You have to be able to interpret data, not just read from one list.[/QUOTE]

How many of thos from the list are 1st world contries, or developed countries? My count is just 1, USA. Maybe 2 if you count South Africa, but I think they might still be 2nr world country

Point?

Unless you mean killing is okay in 2nd and 3rd world nations.

[QUOTE] [b]Micrówave wrote:[/b]
Point?Unless you mean killing is okay in 2nd and 3rd world nations.[/QUOTE]

Only if the 2nd world is Mongo and the 3rd is The Planet of the Apes.

[QUOTE] [b]Micrówave wrote:[/b]
Point?Unless you mean killing is okay in 2nd and 3rd world nations.[/QUOTE]
No, what people are trying to point out is that the US is the only country in the developed world that sells guns at the corner store, and also happens to have the most gun violence per capita of those 25 or so most civilized countries.

Your statistics did not pertain to the developed world. Is that you being proud that US gun violence isn't quite as bad as it is in Colombia? I know you always hold your country in high regard, but with this one you've really raised the bar.

Brazil is the only country from your list that can compete, but since they have only been free from military dictatorship since 1985, I think they are allowed a bit of leeway.

Switzerland is the only civilized country that is remotely comparable in terms of gun possession, but that is largely because they have universal conscription. Gun violence is not prevalent like it is in the US, and that really is the central point here.

What "corner store" are you referring to? Because that's just not true and you know it. We don't stock them next to the cigarettes at 7-11.

The quickest way? There is a 5 day process where a background/felony check is conducted.

However what is going on in Bordertowns along the Texas/Mexican border is probably, right now, the most violent place to be in the world right now.

That has nothing to do with guns being "legal" in the U.S. Those guns are not obtained "from the corner store"... they are illegal.

Neither does the shooting in Colorado. They were not legally obtained weapons.

Are you saying that where you live it is impossible to illegally obtain a firearm? If so, we should all move there. Unfortunately it's not, and that's what you fail to recognize when you make your flippant "at the corner store" comment.

Well done - you spotted hyperbole. But the reality is, it is easier to obtain a gun in the US than anywhere else in the civilized world. There are 140,000 gun dealers in the US. No other country comes close.

Combine that with the "right to bear arms" being part of the national discourse, and voila, gun violence galore.

Or do you have a better explanation as to why the US has the most gun violence in the civilized world?