Feelings

I'm sure this is a worn down topic - but I didn't find many answers in Search only a few questions.

The track Feelings (NOT Feelings, Feelings) that was on the Silver Salmon Demo and indeed originally erroneously shared as a Silver Salmon alternate.  

I don't see it on Queenpedia or Queen Vault.  Is this considered NOT it's own track?  Or is it considered a precursor to Feelings, Feelings?

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixMHpMsvJDk]This track[/url]

Just trying to fill in some information gaps in my own head ;)  Thanks

It's very likely from the same 1977 session as Feelings Feelings. It's just a jam, and someone gave it a name.

What throws people's knickers into a twist is when someone says Silver Salmon is also from that 1977 session.

LOL - I know all about that debate :D

Thanks Bob - I was mostly curious since I didn't see it listed any of the usual places...

If you listen carefully to the final guitar note, it can also be heard at the start of the Silver Salmon demo. I don't know whether "Feelings, Feelings" is from the same session, but I assume that "Feelings" and "Silver Salmon" are.

But there's also a tape stretch after that note, which has led some people to think it may be from a different session.

That may have some credence, if there weren't a half dozen other things on the recording that point it to 1977.

I think a lot of people doubt Feelings + Silver Salmon being from 1977 because that's an old song and it's an absolute categorical one-hundred-percent physical impossibility for a band to play an old song in a studio. It's a dead cert the universe would have imploded if they dared playing something they hadn't just written ten minutes prior.

LOL. Especially something they actually weren't going to use for an album or anything. They would never jam on an old song just because. EVERYTHING has a reason! :P

[QUOTE] [b]Sebastian wrote:[/b]
I think a lot of people doubt Feelings + Silver Salmon being from 1977 because that's an old song and it's an absolute categorical one-hundred-percent physical impossibility for a band to play an old song in a studio. It's a dead cert the universe would have imploded if they dared playing something they hadn't just written ten minutes prior.[/QUOTE]
Maybe i´m crazy but i heard a bit of Fat Bottomed Girl in a part of Silver Salmon... anyway SS seems to be a song written by Tim Staffel and is highly probable that it wasn´t a 1977 (recorded) song...

Freddie's voice gives away the year/era of that Silver Salmon recording: 1977.

There's none of the "feminine" tone he had from the early albums, and you hear the slight "growl" tone that he had on songs such as "It's Late" and "Spread Your Wings."

No, i feel quite the opposite. The Silver Salmon Freddie sounds much more like a younger Freddie.

They should have called it Siver Shit or Salmon Shit because, let's face it, whenever it was recorded, it is awful and no great surprise it never made it onto a record. Hangman is only slightly better.

The dead giveaway that SS was recorded in 77 from a drummer's point of view is that Roger was now using timbales and china type cymbals whereas he didn't have them in the very early part of his career. The china types were used from ADATR sessions onward and can clearly be heard on SS. The timbales didn't make their appearance til 77 for the "News" sessions and can be seen on NOTW, JAZZ and Game tours.

Roger using timbales proves absolutely nothing IMO. He didn't use timbales on any of the songs that got released from Queen to Races, yet that doesn't mean he didn't have any or didn't have access to any (BTW, he did play them on Misfire).

Fred's voice, on the other hand, strongly suggests 1977. Unless, of course, that 1972 Freddie could do a 1977 Freddie impression.

Tim wrote the song, so what? Does it mean the universe would implode if they played one of his tracks in 1977? Oh yes, of course: nineteen-seventy-seven is Farsi for 'the year in which nobody can play a song written by Tim Staffell.'

not to completely drudge into this SS recording year debate again... But, i thought it was also contended that the SS recording that's floating about ran a bit fast (which could answer the "younger sounding" Freddie vocal issues)...

as you were...

[QUOTE] [b]Sebastian wrote:[/b]
Roger using timbales proves absolutely nothing IMO. He didn't use timbales on any of the songs that got released from Queen to Races, yet that doesn't mean he didn't have any or didn't have access to any.
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Of course, but with that mentality, historians and paleontologists could never make rational conclusions based on their findings. Virtually everything that happened before the year 1800 CE can't be proven to have happened, so let's all be skeptical in light of the fact that there is no video evidence. And that it wasn't digitally altered.

For example:

"The temple might've been destroyed by the Romans in 72 CE, not in 70 as recorded. There is no writing to suggest it wasn't 72, so it is still possible." If that's how historians should make their decisions, then we should just burn all the history books and start from scratch.

[QUOTE](BTW, he did play them on Misfire)[/QUOTE]
True, but it was a single fill. They very likely weren't a part of his kit, the same way the harp wasn't Brian May's first choice for every song on A Night At The Opera. On News Of The World, timbales were prominently heard in many songs, so one can conclude that they were part of the kit - the exact same kit heard on Silver Salmon.

Even based on this observation, naturally one cannot 100% conclude that Silver Salmon must have been recorded in 1977, but they can be 99.999% sure. That's a hell of a lot better than "he might've used them earlier" even though there is no evidence to suggest that.