Time For Marc Martel To Move 0n 2.0 (Revised)

Nope, it was someone with the username AlexRocks (or Alex-something anyway). He definitely said QE is better than Queen, with lots of exclamation marks!!! :D

[QUOTE] [b]waunakonor wrote:[/b]
However, Queen are definitely not the only band who allow the audience to sing parts of songs for them. Also, were the vocal impromptu or call-and-response sessions really that much like the way Freddie did them, because Freddie has kind of a distinct style. If they weren't all that similar, then that's probably just being influenced by Queen--perfectly acceptable--not actually stealing from them.
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His vocal improvs are basically showoff-y vocal runs. The call-and-response varies. Sometimes it's with lines from the songs (kind of like the audience-as-choir part of Somebody to Love in QE). Other times he's done ay-ohs with the audience and I think that is uniquely Freddie? Here's an example of both (with one of their sillier, non-religious songs):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHKNaW_YRQ8

I agree that it's more influence than stealing. It just amuses me how much influence there is. Way more than can be attributed to just doing stuff that other bands besides Queen do. Not that I see anything wrong with that -- connecting with an audience and making them a part of the show is a much better "lesson" to learn from Freddie than, e.g. dressing flamboyantly and hamming it up (which is what more casual observers tend to attribute Freddie's stage presence to).

"My comment had to do with why MM had "earned" to sing with Queen as a Freddie impersonator"

Fair point, but here's the thing - Queen as they are now have performed with a lot of people who cannot do the songs justice. My logic is that if they're allowed to do it, then Martel ought to be as well. It's a double standard and it's unacceptable considering his plain superiority over some of the fucks that have been guesting with Brian and Roger.

And I personally wouldn't want him to be recording with the band or being an 'official' member. I don't even see Queen as a thing that exists anymore. But if the songs are going to be played, let's at least get people up there who can do the job. Martel's the only bloke doing it right now who could do it a good service, yet he's the only one not being considered. Which is daft.

Oh yeah! I look forward to more tours, studio l.p.s, and solo projects by Queen!!! With Marc Martel as an official member! I would just like to point out that Queen appear to be having more success and getting more attention in the U.S. with Marc Martel than almost any time in the past thirty years.

[QUOTE] [b]YAFF wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]brENsKi wrote:[/b]
my own opinions on the many queen+ collaborations are well-known around here, so i won't regurgitate my distaste.
hwoever, i will spew my distaste for your utterly banal and vacuous statement. let's examine your rather stupid comments:
1. he's close but not freddie? well that's a darn sight better than any other collaboration (so far) none of which have ever been "close"
2. what the fuck had freddie written when he started out with queen in 1971? nada that's what
3. freddie was pretty audience shy in the early days, and from what i recall, the old "marquee, wardour street" never held 300,000...maybe about 700 people...everyone has to start somewhere, otherwise in your benevolent world Freddie would never have been given that chance either...idiot
now perhaps you can start a thread in future that actually makes an accurate point?
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I had a good laugh at the tragic irony you created here. After calling my statements "utterly banal and Vacuous...stupid" you proceed to make banal and stupid statements and show you didn't have the intellectual acumen to even comprehend what you dismiss as vacuous. I guess you have no shame.
Anyway, point one is that many people want MM to sing with Queen because he comes close to Freddie but since it's not as good as the real thing then why bother? It's better to have a singer singing in his/her own style.
My remarks were based on someone saying MM had "earned it" and I think not. George Michael is a star of his own so he would have "earned" it
Point two Mark has been a professional musician for years and played with his own band for years. Nothing brilliant has emerged. It didn't take long for Freddie to come up with masterpieces.
Point three. You're just talking out yer ass there. My comment had to do with why MM had "earned" to sing with Queen as a Freddie impersonator.
Point 4. You're an imbecile.
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1. that's rubbish. why ever not have someone do a "good job" of the songs? freddie didn't exactly nail them live all the time, give this guy a break
2. freddie was a musician from 68-75 before his materpiece - bo-rhap - that's 7 yrs. you can't count the earlier singles and they are not recognised outside of queen circles as masterpieces
3. no. you quoted audience figures as a basisi for your argument - well as Freddie took 10 yrs in queen to reach that audiece, then your argument fails. but - more importantly - compared to every other "artist" that's collaborated with queen - he's done quite well so far...so again give the guy a chance
4. maybe, but at least i back up my arguments...you use comments like "talkin out your arse" as your response, and you didn't even argue properly with point 1 - which means i had a point. after all you did say "he's close but not freddie" surely "close" is more than good enough, as freddie had his nights when he wasn't even "close" to himself vocally

at least when i disagree with someone, if i agree on some of their points i say so, then argue the rest

[QUOTE] [b]Zebonka12 wrote:[/b]
"My comment had to do with why MM had "earned" to sing with Queen as a Freddie impersonator"
Fair point, but here's the thing - Queen as they are now have performed with a lot of people who cannot do the songs justice. My logic is that if they're allowed to do it, then Martel ought to be as well. It's a double standard and it's unacceptable considering his plain superiority over some of the fucks that have been guesting with Brian and Roger.
And I personally wouldn't want him to be recording with the band or being an 'official' member. I don't even see Queen as a thing that exists anymore. But if the songs are going to be played, let's at least get people up there who can do the job. Martel's the only bloke doing it right now who could do it a good service, yet he's the only one not being considered. Which is daft.[/QUOTE]

Gary Mullen could do it. Have you heard him sing "Spread Your Wings" on that youtube Karoake? Almost note for note. Heck, you could say Mullen has actually "earned it" after all these years as a tribute singer. He even does the moves, which are important. Not saying I think it's a good idea but he's actually better at it than Marc.

I'm no fan of PR & AL but they wen't on and on about these singers "not being a replacement for Freddie". Using Marc would be exactly that. If they have any dignity or respect for Freddie they won't do it. Besides they can fill seats with ANY singer. They proved that with Lambert. Using a Freddie sound-a-like would truly be becoming a parody of themselves. I've been critical of them as many fans have over decisions they've made over the years but at least they haven't become Journey.

[QUOTE] [b]brENsKi wrote:[/b]
at least when i disagree with someone, if i agree on some of their points i say so, then argue the rest[/QUOTE]

fair enough but you kind of started our disagreement off on the wrong foot with insults like calling what I said "stupid". That tends to make a fella defensive, ya know? Anyway, there's really no point debating. You're for the idea of Martel playing with Queen and I'm not...neither of our opinions mean a thing to Brian & Roger anyway.

[QUOTE] [b]Zebonka12 wrote:[/b] But if the songs are going to be played, let's at least get people up there who can do the job. Martel's the only bloke doing it right now who could do it a good service, yet he's the only one not being considered. Which is daft.[/QUOTE]
Well, they did that. The whole QE thing was exactly that. That was what Roger intended and he succeeded. It would be kind of funny if Queen basically turned into QE, which is what it would pretty much be.

"Gary Mullen could do it"

Once, maybe. The only recent recordings I've heard would suggest he's losing it. He'd be far from my first choice at this point in time, although at one time he might've been just about the best tribute artist going.

"they wen't on and on about these singers "not being a replacement for Freddie". Using Marc would be exactly that"

Again, I think this just comes down to him being too good at his job, because he's not always doing the full Freddie at all. He's just lucky (or unlucky) enough to sound like him.

"Using Marc would be exactly that. If they have any dignity or respect for Freddie they won't do it"

And that is a crock, unless you'd be willing to admit that they've done him a far bigger disrespect by going the full Open Mic Night in recent years. That hideous display in the Ukraine, with that random X-Factor contestant hopping up as if he belonged on a stage in the first place - I mean, if one wants to talk about disrespecting the music, that's a good starting point.

[QUOTE] [b]Zebonka12 wrote:[/b]
"Using Marc would be exactly that. If they have any dignity or respect for Freddie they won't do it"
And that is a crock, unless you'd be willing to admit that they've done him a far bigger disrespect by going the full Open Mic Night in recent years. That hideous display in the Ukraine, with that random X-Factor contestant hopping up as if he belonged on a stage in the first place - I mean, if one wants to talk about disrespecting the music, that's a good starting point. [/QUOTE]

Well I have to agree with you there. Personally, everything they've done since 1997 has been a farce. BUT had they the balls to just use a new band name like other rock stars (The Firm, Power Station, Honeydrippers, Foo Fighters, etc...) everything since then would be judged on it's own merits. The main problem is the "Queen +" crap. Cowards. Dave Grohl formed Foo Fighters and became successful on his own. Can you imagine Nirvana + Bo Rice?

[QUOTE] [b]YAFF wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]brENsKi wrote:[/b]
Anyway, there's really no point debating. You're for the idea of Martel playing with Queen and I'm not...neither of our opinions mean a thing to Brian & Roger anyway.
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there's every point in debate. interesting stuff can come from debate

and no. i'm not for MM playing with queen. i'm for letting him have the opportunity to find out if he can.

as i said before - if some of those shouters, wailers and cacophonists "not even remotely close to freddie, vocally" can have a go - then surely someone YOU yourself called "close" is entitled to a fair crack of the whip?

[QUOTE] [b]brENsKi wrote:[/b]
there's every point in debate. interesting stuff can come from debate
and no. i'm not for MM playing with queen. i'm for letting him have the opportunity to find out if he can.
as i said before - if some of those shouters, wailers and cacophonists "not even remotely close to freddie, vocally" can have a go - then surely someone YOU yourself called "close" is entitled to a fair crack of the whip?[/QUOTE]

Oh he comes VERY close especially on "STL". But isn't that what QE is? Why should Brian & Roger join QE? They don't need them. In a sense it would be more that than the other. If Roger wanted a Freddie sound-a-like why didn't they use Gary Mullen or many others over the years...or when they saw that MM audition tape why not scoop him up for an audition for the real band right away instead of Lambert? At this point it would just be silly to use MM and go out as Queen + MM after all the "not trying to replace Freddie" talk. Do they really need to? They could get any singer with range and fill seats. MM would not help them win America anymore than Lambert would. For every positive (he can sound like Freddie) there's a negative (this is so desperate and disrespectful) about MM. A large chunk of their American fans would sit that one out. I can't be the only one disgusted by the idea.

If they want to win America (not one of your points I know) maybe they should go out as Queen + Lady Ga Ga or someone popular in America. American Queen fans already know and love the songs. They aren't going to gain new fans with a karaoke show. MM isn't going to add many fans to the pot and a larger percentage of fans would be un-inerested or protesting (for this gig) . MM does not add anything to Queen so why bother? It's a step down not a step up. Why not get a great new singer who's also in the same league as a songwriter and write some new songs?

Oh sigh, this thread is making me want to go get therapy.

YAFF, call me any name you want as I'm fairly thick skinned however, you are so completely wrong. Oh wait, I take it back, the two things we can agree on is love for Freddie Mercury and dislike for AL. Even with my dislike for AL I simply state my dislike then ignore it all and don't support it. Why don't you just ignore Martel and move on since he offends you so much. As for Gary Mullen? ...LOL. Marc is obviously a "serious" musician, he plays various instruments and has mucho vocal ability. He could breath some new life into Queen, if only.

Go ahead, take a shot at me as I really don't care, you don't live with me. If you did, I would have tossed you out and locked the door!!! LOL

[QUOTE] [b]YAFF wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] Why not get a great new singer who's also in the same league as a songwriter and write some new songs?
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Because Queen are finished mate. Haven't you noticed?

[QUOTE] [b]Holly2003 wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]YAFF wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] Why not get a great new singer who's also in the same league as a songwriter and write some new songs?
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Because Queen are finished mate. Haven't you noticed? [/QUOTE]

since 1995. Yes. There is no Queen without Freddie

After listening to the Downhere songs, including Bo Rhap live. I have changed my opinion about MM. He can sing and has a great range and tone, however I prefer his own voice than the Freddie soundalike one.
BTW, what about Mika, singing with them? A great voice and talent and plays the piano too. A gifted songwriter also, how about them writing together, too?