Bob,
You really are a gentleman and a scholar (NI Complement hope it interprets)
Thank you, now I always thought definitive versions of "Crazy" was Hammy, what do you think?
Sam99
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tomchristie22
[QUOTE] [b]Gregsynth wrote:[/b]
Then you'll get songs like "Now I'm Here" where the studio version PALES to the live versions from the Crazy Tour-onwards (the song sounds much more energetic, and Freddie sings the song with that awesome developed voice). The versions from the early tours (Sheer Heart Attack, Opera, etc) do sound close to the record version--but it comes off as boring live (since the song was too slow, and Freddie sang it very "bland").
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I have to disagree here - I think the earlier live versions of Now I'm Here were more melodious, and paid more attention to the vocal harmonies, which were largely omitted completely for later versions. The versions from roughly 79-86 seem fast paced to the point where they sound rushed to me, and the melodic intricacies of the song are lost in favour of mindless chugging a la Sheer Heart Attack, which, for me, makes the later version more bland, and the early version more layered and colourful. Of course that's just me, and that isn't to say I don't like both renditions of the song, I just prefer one to the other.
[QUOTE] [b]Gregsynth wrote:[/b]
"In The Lap Of The Gods... Revisited" didn't work live from 1975-1977 (because Freddie didn't hit the falsetto, sang it blandly, and the band harmonies weren't always clean), but the song sounded so much better on the Magic Tour (because Freddie sang the song properly and the harmonies were tighter). .[/QUOTE]
In that sense the Magic Tour version was a great improvement of the 75-77 versions, but it was ruined for me by the fact that Freddie didn't play the piano part and they went straight to the 'whoah whoah lalala' coda after the first verse, which omits a whole first chorus and second verse (the second verse being my favourite part of the song).
Sorry to spend an entire post in disagreement.
Then you'll get songs like "Now I'm Here" where the studio version PALES to the live versions from the Crazy Tour-onwards (the song sounds much more energetic, and Freddie sings the song with that awesome developed voice). The versions from the early tours (Sheer Heart Attack, Opera, etc) do sound close to the record version--but it comes off as boring live (since the song was too slow, and Freddie sang it very "bland").
[/QUOTE]
I have to disagree here - I think the earlier live versions of Now I'm Here were more melodious, and paid more attention to the vocal harmonies, which were largely omitted completely for later versions. The versions from roughly 79-86 seem fast paced to the point where they sound rushed to me, and the melodic intricacies of the song are lost in favour of mindless chugging a la Sheer Heart Attack, which, for me, makes the later version more bland, and the early version more layered and colourful. Of course that's just me, and that isn't to say I don't like both renditions of the song, I just prefer one to the other.
[QUOTE] [b]Gregsynth wrote:[/b]
"In The Lap Of The Gods... Revisited" didn't work live from 1975-1977 (because Freddie didn't hit the falsetto, sang it blandly, and the band harmonies weren't always clean), but the song sounded so much better on the Magic Tour (because Freddie sang the song properly and the harmonies were tighter). .[/QUOTE]
In that sense the Magic Tour version was a great improvement of the 75-77 versions, but it was ruined for me by the fact that Freddie didn't play the piano part and they went straight to the 'whoah whoah lalala' coda after the first verse, which omits a whole first chorus and second verse (the second verse being my favourite part of the song).
Sorry to spend an entire post in disagreement.
master marathon runner
While we're on the subject, here's my photo of Brian, at Newcastle City Hall on 4th December '79, playing piano after introducing 'Save Me' as the next single. Great memories!
Bonus feature: One of Wor Freddie as well.
Bonus feature: One of Wor Freddie as well.
master marathon runner
Bonus feature: One of Wor Fred as well.
The Real Wizard
Excellent stuff .. thanks.
Did you find those pictures from Edinburgh 82? Would love to see them.
Did you find those pictures from Edinburgh 82? Would love to see them.
Gregsynth
[QUOTE] [b]tomchristie22 wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]Gregsynth wrote:[/b]
Then you'll get songs like "Now I'm Here" where the studio version PALES to the live versions from the Crazy Tour-onwards (the song sounds much more energetic, and Freddie sings the song with that awesome developed voice). The versions from the early tours (Sheer Heart Attack, Opera, etc) do sound close to the record version--but it comes off as boring live (since the song was too slow, and Freddie sang it very "bland").
[/QUOTE]
I have to disagree here - I think the earlier live versions of Now I'm Here were more melodious, and paid more attention to the vocal harmonies, which were largely omitted completely for later versions. The versions from roughly 79-86 seem fast paced to the point where they sound rushed to me, and the melodic intricacies of the song are lost in favour of mindless chugging a la Sheer Heart Attack, which, for me, makes the later version more bland, and the early version more layered and colourful. Of course that's just me, and that isn't to say I don't like both renditions of the song, I just prefer one to the other.
[QUOTE] [b]Gregsynth wrote:[/b]
"In The Lap Of The Gods... Revisited" didn't work live from 1975-1977 (because Freddie didn't hit the falsetto, sang it blandly, and the band harmonies weren't always clean), but the song sounded so much better on the Magic Tour (because Freddie sang the song properly and the harmonies were tighter). .[/QUOTE]
In that sense the Magic Tour version was a great improvement of the 75-77 versions, but it was ruined for me by the fact that Freddie didn't play the piano part and they went straight to the 'whoah whoah lalala' coda after the first verse, which omits a whole first chorus and second verse (the second verse being my favourite part of the song).
Sorry to spend an entire post in disagreement. [/QUOTE]
The song just sounds better faster with that driving rock edge to it (it was built to play live). If you look at the early versions, the harmonies weren't always bang on, and it was just too slow (sometimes slower than the record) to start off the show. The song works better as a quicker number in the mid point of the show (to get the audience fired up). Plus on the 1978-1982 versions, you have Freddie doing that improv section to the audience -- and it sounds wonderful. The early versions come off as weaker imitations of the studio version -- while the later versions sound like a fun, energetic, creative rock song!
I didn't think the arrangement on the Magic Tour for In The Lap Of The Gods...Revisited ruined the song, but I do wish the full song was played on that tour! Freddie did play piano on that song during the Magic Tour (the final two chorus parts)!
[QUOTE] [b]Gregsynth wrote:[/b]
Then you'll get songs like "Now I'm Here" where the studio version PALES to the live versions from the Crazy Tour-onwards (the song sounds much more energetic, and Freddie sings the song with that awesome developed voice). The versions from the early tours (Sheer Heart Attack, Opera, etc) do sound close to the record version--but it comes off as boring live (since the song was too slow, and Freddie sang it very "bland").
[/QUOTE]
I have to disagree here - I think the earlier live versions of Now I'm Here were more melodious, and paid more attention to the vocal harmonies, which were largely omitted completely for later versions. The versions from roughly 79-86 seem fast paced to the point where they sound rushed to me, and the melodic intricacies of the song are lost in favour of mindless chugging a la Sheer Heart Attack, which, for me, makes the later version more bland, and the early version more layered and colourful. Of course that's just me, and that isn't to say I don't like both renditions of the song, I just prefer one to the other.
[QUOTE] [b]Gregsynth wrote:[/b]
"In The Lap Of The Gods... Revisited" didn't work live from 1975-1977 (because Freddie didn't hit the falsetto, sang it blandly, and the band harmonies weren't always clean), but the song sounded so much better on the Magic Tour (because Freddie sang the song properly and the harmonies were tighter). .[/QUOTE]
In that sense the Magic Tour version was a great improvement of the 75-77 versions, but it was ruined for me by the fact that Freddie didn't play the piano part and they went straight to the 'whoah whoah lalala' coda after the first verse, which omits a whole first chorus and second verse (the second verse being my favourite part of the song).
Sorry to spend an entire post in disagreement. [/QUOTE]
The song just sounds better faster with that driving rock edge to it (it was built to play live). If you look at the early versions, the harmonies weren't always bang on, and it was just too slow (sometimes slower than the record) to start off the show. The song works better as a quicker number in the mid point of the show (to get the audience fired up). Plus on the 1978-1982 versions, you have Freddie doing that improv section to the audience -- and it sounds wonderful. The early versions come off as weaker imitations of the studio version -- while the later versions sound like a fun, energetic, creative rock song!
I didn't think the arrangement on the Magic Tour for In The Lap Of The Gods...Revisited ruined the song, but I do wish the full song was played on that tour! Freddie did play piano on that song during the Magic Tour (the final two chorus parts)!
Sam99
As far as I know, this should be the same version that's on youtube:
http://www.queenzone.com/forums/1160411/announce-newcastle-3-december-1979-flac-torrent.aspx
Sorry to be a pain, but the link doesn't work for some reason, can anyone advise me how to work this?
http://www.queenzone.com/forums/1160411/announce-newcastle-3-december-1979-flac-torrent.aspx
Sorry to be a pain, but the link doesn't work for some reason, can anyone advise me how to work this?
tomchristie22
Ah, I completely forgot he joins in on the piano later into the song. I should really have known that since I saw Budapest recently.. My mistake!
That's all just my opinion anyway, and yours is probably much more qualified, with you being more knowledgeable with this than I am. I also forgot about the vocal improv being part of Now I'm Here, can't go wrong with that.
[QUOTE] [b]Sam99 wrote:[/b]
As far as I know, this should be the same version that's on youtube:
http://www.queenzone.com/forums/1160411/announce-newcastle-3-december-1979-flac-torrent.aspx
Sorry to be a pain, but the link doesn't work for some reason, can anyone advise me how to work this?[/QUOTE]
Yeah, it's giving me server errors too when I try to follow links on here. Copying it into the address bar should work fine though.
That's all just my opinion anyway, and yours is probably much more qualified, with you being more knowledgeable with this than I am. I also forgot about the vocal improv being part of Now I'm Here, can't go wrong with that.
[QUOTE] [b]Sam99 wrote:[/b]
As far as I know, this should be the same version that's on youtube:
http://www.queenzone.com/forums/1160411/announce-newcastle-3-december-1979-flac-torrent.aspx
Sorry to be a pain, but the link doesn't work for some reason, can anyone advise me how to work this?[/QUOTE]
Yeah, it's giving me server errors too when I try to follow links on here. Copying it into the address bar should work fine though.
Mr.QueenFan
[QUOTE] [b]master marathon runner wrote:[/b]
While we're on the subject, here's my photo of Brian, at Newcastle City Hall on 4th December '79, playing piano after introducing 'Save Me' as the next single. Great memories!
Bonus feature: One of Wor Freddie as well.[/QUOTE]
Great pictures, thanks for sharing it with us.
You´re a lucky man to have witnessed what is considered to be one of Queen´s greatest shows ever! Freddie´s voice was perfect.
Can ou share the video too? :-)
While we're on the subject, here's my photo of Brian, at Newcastle City Hall on 4th December '79, playing piano after introducing 'Save Me' as the next single. Great memories!
Bonus feature: One of Wor Freddie as well.[/QUOTE]
Great pictures, thanks for sharing it with us.
You´re a lucky man to have witnessed what is considered to be one of Queen´s greatest shows ever! Freddie´s voice was perfect.
Can ou share the video too? :-)
Q NUT
[QUOTE] [b]Mr.QueenFan wrote:[/b]
Can ou share the video too? :-)
[/QUOTE]
Does he really have video of Newcastle 79?
Can ou share the video too? :-)
[/QUOTE]
Does he really have video of Newcastle 79?
Gregsynth
[QUOTE] [b]tomchristie22 wrote:[/b]
Ah, I completely forgot he joins in on the piano later into the song. I should really have known that since I saw Budapest recently.. My mistake!
That's all just my opinion anyway, and yours is probably much more qualified, with you being more knowledgeable with this than I am. I also forgot about the vocal improv being part of Now I'm Here, can't go wrong with that.
[QUOTE] [b]Sam99 wrote:[/b]
As far as I know, this should be the same version that's on youtube:
http://www.queenzone.com/forums/1160411/announce-newcastle-3-december-1979-flac-torrent.aspx
Sorry to be a pain, but the link doesn't work for some reason, can anyone advise me how to work this?[/QUOTE]
Yeah, it's giving me server errors too when I try to follow links on here. Copying it into the address bar should work fine though. [/QUOTE]
Wait, wait, wait! I'm not more qualified to make opinions! We're both fans of Queen! We have different takes on live songs, and I LOVE that (because it makes debates/discussions happen). Just because I listen to the live stuff 24 hours a day, doesn't mean I'm more qualified to make opinions! It just means I love listening to the live concerts!
Ah, I completely forgot he joins in on the piano later into the song. I should really have known that since I saw Budapest recently.. My mistake!
That's all just my opinion anyway, and yours is probably much more qualified, with you being more knowledgeable with this than I am. I also forgot about the vocal improv being part of Now I'm Here, can't go wrong with that.
[QUOTE] [b]Sam99 wrote:[/b]
As far as I know, this should be the same version that's on youtube:
http://www.queenzone.com/forums/1160411/announce-newcastle-3-december-1979-flac-torrent.aspx
Sorry to be a pain, but the link doesn't work for some reason, can anyone advise me how to work this?[/QUOTE]
Yeah, it's giving me server errors too when I try to follow links on here. Copying it into the address bar should work fine though. [/QUOTE]
Wait, wait, wait! I'm not more qualified to make opinions! We're both fans of Queen! We have different takes on live songs, and I LOVE that (because it makes debates/discussions happen). Just because I listen to the live stuff 24 hours a day, doesn't mean I'm more qualified to make opinions! It just means I love listening to the live concerts!
cmsdrums
Montreal is great, helped a lot by the great sound on that release. The Bowl is great too, especially when Freddie climbs vocally on the final vocal 'oh, oh' line before 'I'm naked and I'm far from home'.
tomchristie22
What are peoples opinions on the different live 'versions' of Save Me? That is, do you prefer the Crazy & Game Tour arrangement or the Hot Space Tour one? I enjoy both greatly but I find I like the earlier version better. I just personally prefer the more straightforward approach of the former. While the latter seems more 'full' and layered, and better emulates the subtlety of the studio version, I'm not sure if I like the way it translates to the live setting.
If you need reference points:
Montreal '81 - Brian plays piano for the first portion of the song then switches to electric guitar. Brian electric guitar and Freddie piano in the first instrumental break.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fhksrIh39I
Milton Keynes '82 - Morgan Fisher plays piano throughout, Brian plays electric guitar throughout. First instrumental break has the synth and clean guitar part, which is much closer to the studio version.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwR1ENJeReI
If you need reference points:
Montreal '81 - Brian plays piano for the first portion of the song then switches to electric guitar. Brian electric guitar and Freddie piano in the first instrumental break.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fhksrIh39I
Milton Keynes '82 - Morgan Fisher plays piano throughout, Brian plays electric guitar throughout. First instrumental break has the synth and clean guitar part, which is much closer to the studio version.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwR1ENJeReI
tomchristie22
McDouble post
Mr.QueenFan
[QUOTE] [b]Q NUT wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]Mr.QueenFan wrote:[/b]
Can ou share the video too? :-)
[/QUOTE]
Does he really have video of Newcastle 79?[/QUOTE]
I don´t think he has, i was just kidding.
But the quality of those pics? Just perfect for me, it´s almost as it has sound atached to it. Beautifull!
[QUOTE] [b]Mr.QueenFan wrote:[/b]
Can ou share the video too? :-)
[/QUOTE]
Does he really have video of Newcastle 79?[/QUOTE]
I don´t think he has, i was just kidding.
But the quality of those pics? Just perfect for me, it´s almost as it has sound atached to it. Beautifull!