David Wigg - Freddie knew since 84.

"Bohemian: Um...wasn't he permiscuous up to the last 1986 tour? That would have made him out to be a mass murderer. I don't think he knew until late 1987 and did not get it until sometime earlier that year. For the sheer fact that in the 1980's you just could not live long without meds. Even with the meds he only lived four years or so longer. "




No, he wasn't promiscuous up till then.

"That would have made him out to be a mass murderer." If such crass use of language is to be used then they were all at it.. the gay community through the 80's were massively ignorant and 'brushing it under the carpet', it wasn't until huge amounts of them starting dropping dead that people really took notice.

Anyway. Who cares?

I think it's a very valid reason to care if Freddie gave people the disease knowing full reason he had it.

"I think it's a very valid reason to care"

About a dead man who gave a disease to some other dead men?

There's absolutely zero reason to give a shit about it. People shouldn't be caught up in the personality cult. Love the music as much as you like, but if you can't reconcile your opinion of someone with the facts of his life, then you shouldn't have been so enamoured of him in the first place.

I might be missing something here but he's as dead as King Tut or the passengers of the Titanic. Evaluations of his character at this point are utterly moot.

What a load of shit.

So if Michael Jackson were to actually be found guilty of paedophilia after his death, you're saying 'we shouldn't care, we should just enjoy his music'.

I don't know, it might be me but if Freddie gave people a disease which would knowingly KILL THEM then yes, that would affect my opinion of him and his music. I don't know, i'm a bit crazy like that. However, there's no evidence to suggest he did and I personally don't think he was capable of doing so knowingly.

I'm sure Freddie didn't do that - Montserrat Caballe says that once he told her he wouldn't even let her hug or kiss him for fear of passing it on (this is the time before transmission methods were as well known as today).

"So if Michael Jackson were to actually be found guilty of paedophilia after his death, you're saying 'we shouldn't care, we should just enjoy his music'"

No, I'm not saying that at all - you shouldn't be enjoying Michael Jackson's music in the first place.

PS. Elvis raped Priscilla because of his belief that she was cheating on him. I hope I've ruined Elvis for you.

If you can't separate the personalities of dead people (ones you will never meet and to whom you meant absolutely nothing) from their artistic output, then that's your issue and you need to deal with that in your own time, instead of doing the white knight thing and trying to look like you give a shit about something that is meaningless in the here and now. He's dead. His boyfriends are dead. Your tears aren't helping anyone.

"Montserrat Caballe says that once he told her he wouldn't even let her hug or kiss him for fear of passing it on"

Indeed. There's a couple of anecdotes of him doing stuff like that.

Why does it matter if someone's dead or not? If i find them to be a horrible person then i'll choose not to enjoy their music...what's so crazy about that? I don't go looking people up checking if they're a prick to see if i can like them or not, but take for example Dappy from N'Dubz...his music isn't my cup of tea, however even if it was, I wouldn't like him cos he's a thug who sends death threats to people.

And the Elvis thing sounds like it was a vast exaggeration to which Priscilla and since tried to distance herself from.

I'd not heard of the Elvis/rape thing I had heard and read that Elvis was bisexual etc... lol @ celeb gossip

"Why does it matter if someone's dead or not?"

It invalidates your judgement of them because they don't exist anymore. It's wasted energy. I think if one is going to get suckered into judging the character of famous persons, they might as well stick to living ones. Every buck I don't spend on a Polanski movie is one less dollar going towards his rohypnol budget. (Although for me it really is more about his movies just not being very good).

Spare yourself a lot of gut ache and only evaluate musicians for their music, actors for their acting and so on. You're only setting yourself up for disappointment if you do otherwise. It is, as I said, wasted energy - especially concerning the dead ones whom you can no longer rehabilitate in any way. Besides which, picking and choosing aspects that you like about a person (that you never met, and for you has only ever existed anecdotally and thus is an incomplete picture) is folly. Compared to the little bits and pieces that we read about on this forum, Freddie was a complete human being. You don't have (and never will have) a complete understanding of him. He's nothing but an interesting relic from history now. Take what lessons you can from him, and move on with your life.

"Dappy from N'Dubz...his music isn't my cup of tea, however even if it was, I wouldn't like him cos he's a thug who sends death threats to people."

Amen to that.

In January 1985, the U.S Food and Drug Administration (FDA) licensed, for commercial production, the first blood test for AIDS. So I doubt Freddie would've known in 1984 that he had HIV. Freddie also wouldn't have been able to get insurance for the 1986 tour if he was HIV-positive (I doubt he would have undertaken the gruelling tour if he'd known), so the April 1987 timeline would appear to be the correct one.

Freddie also wouldn't have been able to get insurance for the 1986 tour if he was HIV-positive (I doubt he would have undertaken the gruelling tour if he'd known)
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I think he knew by then, I don't mean 100% knew because he was tested, but he "knew", 86 is the time when I personally think I all became very real for him, that was the year the people around him started dying and he made loads of "if i'm still here" comments in interviews.

I was under the impression that Freddie found out he had gone full blown in 1987 (from what I've read) and not simply HIV-positive.

Big difference.

And, from the comments he makes on The Magic Tour, it seems pretty clear that he's aware of what's going on, to me at least.