Ex-Police Office and Ex-Naval Reservist on a Killing Spree for Cops

I don't know how much coverage this story has gotten outside of the US, but here in Los Angeles where I live, updates have been almost every 30 minutes or so. And ex-LAPS Officer has killed 3 people (one a cop) and has shot at several other police officers and is in the hunt for more. He wrote a manifesto about how the LAPD is corrupt and why he is doing what he's doing. I trully hope that what he is claiming is true...

http://news.yahoo.com/calif-searched-ex-cop-suspected-killing-3-123053269.html

And Another One Bites the Dust courtesy of his own hand. It was the only way it could have ended I think.

I don't know why this isn't being said in more places but this is another case of a mentally ill person falling through the cracks.

I'm not in any way defending this guy but...

He had only been on the police force for a few months before he was called to duty and sent to Bahrain. I can't recall how long he served there, but he was immediately put back on the LAPD force when his tour ended.

From what I've read, he didn't handle the switch out of the military very well and had even broken down, in tears, while in a squad car with his supervisor. He cried, asking why he hadn't been or wasn't permitted to be sent for reintegration training. Apparently, he had asked for retraining on more than one occasion.

I'm sorry, but if a man who has a license to carry weapons, has the power of a badge and has had combat and survival training, suddenly starts weeping because he wasn't properly re-trained, wouldn't you think the first order of business would be to take his weapons away and get him some help?

I've been searching for the original article I read about this but was only able to find this one from the Huffington Post:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/09/christopher-dorner-court-records-_n_2652289.html

In the article, it's also said that an ex-girlfriend warned others about him, saying he was 'twisted and super paranoid' among other things.

Is it possible that no one - not in the police force, not in the military, not in his family (he lived with his mother) saw warning signs from this guy’s behavior? Aren't psychological evaluations performed on people when they're first considered for the position of cop or naval reservist???

The LAPD simply fired this disturbed man, letting him loose on the population without any follow up. IMO, they are as much to blame for this horror as Christopher Doner himself.

Every single person who has ever joined or will ever join the army has been and will be damaged in the process. You can't train a person to kill (on command) and expect him/her to remain a balanced, healthy individual. When someone actually sees active duty, it's even worse. Every major war has resulted in a multitude of dysfunctional individuals and a maimed society:

The American Wild West - masses of deeply scarred (mentally and physically) Civil War veterans.
The rise of nazi's and fascists - the veterans of World War I, possibly the most terrible war ever from the soldier's point of view.
American (violent) crime rates in the '80s - Vietnam veterans left to fend for themselves.

And if we can't learn (and advance) from history, then we're doomed to repeat it. Pretty pathetic in 2013, I'd say.

"He wrote a manifesto about how the LAPD is corrupt and why he is doing what he's doing. I trully hope that what he is claiming is true..."

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Why? Are you saying that in your opinion, it was OK for him to go on a murder spree if his complaints were accurate? People can find stuff to complain about in any environment, but this does not give them a reason to run around killing people as a protest.

My point: each person is an individual and they have individual reactions to stress, danger, war, public speaking, death of loved ones, sailing across an ocean, snow storms, illness, etc. Not everyone is changed into a state of serious mental illness by life's experiences.

This guy may have been mentally ill for most of his life. This reminds me of suicide. When someone kills themselves, often there is a trigger event, such as a romantic relationship ending or the death of a loved one or the loss of a job. But those events did not create the mental illness that led to the decision to commit suicide.

[QUOTE] [b]Donna13 wrote:[/b]

" ...often there is a trigger event, such as a romantic relationship ending or the death of a loved one or the loss of a job. But those events did not create the mental illness... [/QUOTE]

Exactly right. The sad thing is, this is not new information, yet the same horrors repeat.

We have to determine why the signs of mental illness aren't seen or addressed before the situation becomes so dangerous.

We ask the same question after every mass killing - were there signs? - and the answer is almost always yes. I don't know if we, as a society, are incapable of recognizing those signs beforehand, or if we're just too lazy to do anything about them.

"Every single person who has ever joined or will ever join the army has been and will be damaged in the process. You can't train a person to kill (on command) and expect him/her to remain a balanced, healthy individual."

Wow... that is a very bold statement... everyone, without exception, who used to be in the army, is unstable..

An astounding thing to say...

[QUOTE] [b]Donna13 wrote:[/b]

"He wrote a manifesto about how the LAPD is corrupt and why he is doing what he's doing. I trully hope that what he is claiming is true..."

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Why? Are you saying that in your opinion, it was OK for him to go on a murder spree if his complaints were accurate? People can find stuff to complain about in any environment, but this does not give them a reason to run around killing people as a protest.

My point: each person is an individual and they have individual reactions to stress, danger, war, public speaking, death of loved ones, sailing across an ocean, snow storms, illness, etc. Not everyone is changed into a state of serious mental illness by life's experiences.

This guy may have been mentally ill for most of his life. This reminds me of suicide. When someone kills themselves, often there is a trigger event, such as a romantic relationship ending or the death of a loved one or the loss of a job. But those events did not create the mental illness that led to the decision to commit suicide.[/QUOTE]

The only victims, in my opinion, that were not OK to have been in his murder spree were those that were not cops...

There are plenty of legal methods to bring a complaint against someone in the United States. This individual did not succeed in clearing his name, nor did he succeed in making the police department better for others. He failed completely as a human by deciding to go on a killing spree. He is not someone to be admired. If you admire killers, then there is something wrong with you mentally, and spiritually, and you should seek help.

I don't recall anywhere on my posts saying that I admired him; just because someone agrees with an action that does not equate them being head over heals or idolizing those that committed them. And going on your logic, all of the following should not be admired due to their actions: GOD, presidents, religion, police officers...

If there is hard evidence brought to light of a police department covering things up or using excessive force beyond of what is required or anything that proves wrong doing on their part, do you really think they will be brought to justice most of the time?

It is nothing to do with logic. It is good vs. evil. Condoning or agreeing with the actions of a murderer is evil. It is also cowardly and stupid.

This murderer did not achieve anything by his actions that would do anything to stop corruption. He just was mentally ill. Nothing in his manifesto will ever have credibility because if someone is crazy enough to go around shooting people or to agree with the idea of shooting people, it means that they lose all respectability and they have no honor or believability as a person of good character anymore. Therefore, anything in his manifesto will be ignored as the ramblings of a crazy person. All his opinions will be meaningless with respect to any improvements he wanted. If he had been smart and brave, and sane, he would have taken legal action against the department.

[QUOTE] [b]greaserkat wrote:[/b]

[QUOTE] [b]Donna13 wrote:[/b]

"He wrote a manifesto about how the LAPD is corrupt and why he is doing what he's doing. I trully hope that what he is claiming is true..."

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Why? Are you saying that in your opinion, it was OK for him to go on a murder spree if his complaints were accurate? People can find stuff to complain about in any environment, but this does not give them a reason to run around killing people as a protest.

My point: each person is an individual and they have individual reactions to stress, danger, war, public speaking, death of loved ones, sailing across an ocean, snow storms, illness, etc. Not everyone is changed into a state of serious mental illness by life's experiences.

This guy may have been mentally ill for most of his life. This reminds me of suicide. When someone kills themselves, often there is a trigger event, such as a romantic relationship ending or the death of a loved one or the loss of a job. But those events did not create the mental illness that led to the decision to commit suicide.[/QUOTE]

The only victims, in my opinion, that were not OK to have been in his murder spree were those that were not cops...[/QUOTE]

Wow, you are nothing short of outstandingly ignorant on this matter. The impression I'm getting from your remarks is that you are against having police authorities in existence, and you basically want them all dead.

[QUOTE] [b]greaserkat wrote:[/b]

The only victims, in my opinion, that were not OK to have been in his murder spree were those that were not cops... [/QUOTE]

You know, I saw this comment yesterday and honestly believed it was simply conversation bait. I didn't think it was a true point of view. Please tell us it's not, greaserkat...

I honestly do take it all back. It was one of does weeks when you're just pissed off at everything, and you just want everyone to fuck off. Looking back at it, I guess I shouldn't have posted anything to begin with. The tragic thing about all this is that there are 5 people dead including the killer when there could have been zero if he was helped from the very beginning when he started showing signs of PTSD