Fuller's channel terminated again

The power of speech is better than text!

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[b]GratefulFan wrote: [/b] [QUOTE] [b]inu-liger wrote:[/b]

I don't suppose you recall then that it was proven to be his copies leaking out because of the unique digital "glitch" watermark inserted into each fanthology member's copy then?[/QUOTE]

I recall the whole thing in great detail. Fuller never denied having a copy from Fanthology, and he never denied putting that copy online. What he claimed was was that he never publicly made anything available that he only received from Fanthology. His claim was that he also received the track in a separate trade and thus felt entitled to do whatever he wanted with it. If the 'market' had been suddenly flooded with Fanthology stuff, there might have been a strong case. As it was, with one or two tracks out several months apart, it was an extraordinarily weak case presented as 'redhanded' and 'proof' that was anything but. Even the whole 'watermark' claim started to look a little shaky by the end of that thread. Difficult to point you to anything now, as so many of the 'accusers' removed their posts once the self serving damage was done.

Let me explain the difference between Action and motivation.

I removed all my remarks re David Fuller - NOT because they were untrue. I still stand by what I said.
But; my MOTIVE for writing at that time was an automatic response without any thought of future ramifications.

However; afterwards, I thought better about the WAY I said it.
What I wrote could have been perceived as way too personal and insulting, and was open to perhaps future misinterpretation; and could well have returned to haunt me in some way.

That is why I first apologised then removed what I wrote. This is a public forum, and runs on the basis of social etiquette and decorum, and as such in the UK, is treated with the same respect as any other written medium.

So for the last time; I did not retract what I said; but "how I said it", and I thought I made that very clear at the time.

To use that retraction as some sort of back-peddling really is disingenuous.

If that is still too ambiguous; David Fuller was indeed guilty of spreading material he should not have done; but the proof (as they say) is in the pudding, and so the same old cycle continues. (Or perhaps Queen PLC were also unjustified?).
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[QUOTE] [b]John S Stuart wrote:[/b] If that is still too ambiguous; David Fuller was indeed guilty of spreading material he should not have done; but the proof (as they say) is in the pudding, and so the same old cycle continues. (Or perhaps Queen PLC were also unjustified?). [/QUOTE][/QUOTE] See, this is something I don't understand now; Why aren't people like GratefulFan and others who continually attack us collectors that were united against DFR, now attacking QPL for essentially (but quietly) doing the very same thing against DFR but legally taking a step further in taking down his outlets used for his illegal behaviour? Is this pack mob suddenly now very afraid of attacking QPL, who are clearly siding with us collectors, with the very same tar brush they used to attack us with?? Think about it.

[QUOTE] [b]inu-liger wrote:[/b]

Unfortunately, I have a complex mindset that most people will never understand, and with my condition I have a tendency to give off mixed messages without really meaning to. It's something I wish wasn't the case, but it's very difficult to change the way I communicate to match that of an 'average' person's!
It's probably something better explained by voice rather than by text.

I don't suppose you would be willing to engage in a one on one Skype conversation some time?


As far as the trading thing is concerned, I have my reasons for keeping it open, but I don't wish to discuss it publicly.[/QUOTE]

Unfortunately I feel that I am better able to express myself in writing, and don't use Skype... I understand your problem, but text is really the only medium I can work with.

As for the trading... I just couldn't care less if you trade or not. If it wasn't for your obvious double standards, there would be no reson to have this conversation in the first place.

I really think you would be best served by taking a break from all discussions related to Fuller, and all the people at QZ would just forget about him.

There is no double standards, plain and simple. Stop intentionally misreading into what I'm saying.

[QUOTE] [b]John S Stuart wrote:[/b]

Let me explain the difference between Action and motivation.

I removed all my remarks re David Fuller - NOT because they were untrue. I still stand by what I said.
But; my MOTIVE for writing at that time was an automatic response without any thought of future ramifications.

However; afterwards, I thought better about the WAY I said it.
What I wrote could have been perceived as way too personal and insulting, and was open to perhaps future misinterpretation; and could well have returned to haunt me in some way.

That is why I first apologised then removed what I wrote. This is a public forum, and runs on the basis of social etiquette and decorum, and as such in the UK, is treated with the same respect as any other written medium.

So for the last time; I did not retract what I said; but "how I said it", and I thought I made that very clear at the time.

To use that retraction as some sort of back-peddling really is disingenuous.

If that is still too ambiguous; David Fuller was indeed guilty of spreading material he should not have done; but the proof (as they say) is in the pudding, and so the same old cycle continues. (Or perhaps Queen PLC were also unjustified?).
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I ascribed no particular motivation to the actions, I simply noted them as extraordinarily shabby. Which they were. Who gets on the internet and absolutely savages a person's reputation - savages it in a way that in your own view was 'too personal and insulting' - and then scrubs those accusations clean and skulks off, all the damage done? Apparently 4 or 5 collectors and their friends are comfortable with that. This site has an edit function that works quite well. You had the option of addendums to clarify any meaning or proffer any apology in posts you might have liked back. This site allows unlimited posting. You could have reshaped your message at any time. But what you did instead was behave with arrogance, entitlement and cowardice.

In my view nobody should accept a single word any of you have to say about David Fuller, because you haven't earned that trust. Not because you're dishonest (though some of you certainly edge up to that bar close enough to order drinks) but because you have poor perspective and judgement on the topic, as was most amply demonstrated in the original 2012 thread. Before you collectively turned it into Swiss cheese.

In the present day the accusations veer all over the place, the damage assessments veer all over the place, the arguments veer all over the place and half of you sound like you're stricken with a seizure disorder when you talk about this. The self righteousness is surreal and frankly pretty entertaining. About the only consistent thing in the last year is the incensed entitlement to have a rejection of any challenge to the status quo embraced by people who Dave Fuller treats better than you do by miles. Good luck with that.

[QUOTE] [b]inu-liger wrote:[/b] See, this is something I don't understand now; Why aren't people like GratefulFan and others who continually attack us collectors that were united against DFR, now attacking QPL for essentially (but quietly) doing the very same thing against DFR but legally taking a step further in taking down his outlets used for his illegal behaviour? Is this pack mob suddenly now very afraid of attacking QPL, who are clearly siding with us collectors, with the very same tar brush they used to attack us with?? Think about it.[/QUOTE] The QPL name dropping of the last 24 hours or so cracks me up. I've never seen people so proud of behaving like such self-serving unctuous twats. Grown men engaging in this kind of bleaty nannying is embarrasing to watch. Fuller's channel was deleted four times in recent years? Five? More? There is no reason to assume at this point that this isn't just another blip. He's brazen and he lives in a country that pretty much fetishizes freedom. He's almost certainly going to try, and good luck to him. On his tumblr yesterday (that's right inu...on his tumblr yesterday...lol) he was anonymously asked whether the allegations on QZ that he was in legal trouble were true, and his reply was that there were no issues with him. It serves you all to claim indirect and reflected power but it seems that Dave Fuller at least doesn't think much of it.

Either that's a balls up or John Stuart has made a funny :)

"his reply was that there were no issues with him"

That's probably only because Rikers Island has great wifi.

PS. Big ups to all my homies in lockdown

[QUOTE] [b]Zebonka12 wrote:[/b]

That's probably only because Rikers Island has great wifi.[/QUOTE]

lol

[QUOTE] [b]GratefulFan wrote:[/b]
On his tumblr yesterday (that's right inu...on his tumblr yesterday...lol) [/QUOTE]

OK, I'm going to ask you seriously one more time...WHERE on Tumblr is he posting? All I see on his daverfuller.tumblr.com link is an Enter Password box.

Maybe I made the whole thing up. ;)

Or maybe I didn't. :P

I think you're just full of shit, period.

I can live with that. :)