>Even John S Stuart, who called me a bullshit artist and a liar when I first mentioned this back in 2004, concedes that I was telling the truth.
Where did John concede that Mr. Bottom?
dudeofqueen
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Rogers Untidy Bottom
Page one of this thread, Mr. Dude.
Saint Jiub
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[b]Rogers Untidy Bottom wrote: [/b] Page one of this thread, Mr. Dude.[/QUOTE]
Rogers Untidy Bottom - I sent you a PM.
[b]Rogers Untidy Bottom wrote: [/b] Page one of this thread, Mr. Dude.[/QUOTE]
Rogers Untidy Bottom - I sent you a PM.
Rogers Untidy Bottom
Replied, Panchgani.
Rogers Untidy Bottom
The cover-up continues with the diminishing of the two extra Queen II songs...
"It’s here where the first grey area comes into view during these sessions. Famed photographer Mick Rock, who would shoot the equally famous cover photo for Queen II, notes in his book Classic Queen that a Freddie Mercury-penned track titled “Surrender To The City” was worked on during the Queen II sessions. Fan will immediately recognize the phrase as appearing in the finished recording of “The March Of The Black Queen,” so it is not a stretch to guess that there is a direct relationship between these two numbers, the exact nature of which we may never uncover.
More opaque is Rock’s mention in his book of other yet-unidentified tracks, where he specifically cites two more, offering only their titles and the songwriters. They are: “Fly By Night,” said to be written by John Deacon, and “Deep Ridge,” attributed to Brian May. News of these tracks piqued the interest of fans and Queen’s Archivist Greg Brooks addressed the issue by saying, “I'm pretty sure these are only working titles for basic ideas, as that is what used to happen.” Greg goes on to add, “I base this largely upon the fact that back in 1998 I listened to ALL the Queen session recordings and there simply were not any discarded songs or related items with the titles you mention. The most likely scenario is that Deep Ridge, Fly By Night, and the like, were merely basic ideas that would or would not have been progressed/developed further to feature in songs that we all know now as tracks on the earliest albums.”
(http://www.queenonline.com/en/features/the-black-white-and-grey-of-queen-ii-fan-feature-by-patrick-lemieux)
The two songs I was ridiculed for mentioning back in 2004 have now been covered in books, on Brian May's website and a piece on Queen website by the author of the "Queen Chronology."
The songs exist in their entirety. How long now before the official admission?
After this is cleared up, "The Game" - the truth.
"It’s here where the first grey area comes into view during these sessions. Famed photographer Mick Rock, who would shoot the equally famous cover photo for Queen II, notes in his book Classic Queen that a Freddie Mercury-penned track titled “Surrender To The City” was worked on during the Queen II sessions. Fan will immediately recognize the phrase as appearing in the finished recording of “The March Of The Black Queen,” so it is not a stretch to guess that there is a direct relationship between these two numbers, the exact nature of which we may never uncover.
More opaque is Rock’s mention in his book of other yet-unidentified tracks, where he specifically cites two more, offering only their titles and the songwriters. They are: “Fly By Night,” said to be written by John Deacon, and “Deep Ridge,” attributed to Brian May. News of these tracks piqued the interest of fans and Queen’s Archivist Greg Brooks addressed the issue by saying, “I'm pretty sure these are only working titles for basic ideas, as that is what used to happen.” Greg goes on to add, “I base this largely upon the fact that back in 1998 I listened to ALL the Queen session recordings and there simply were not any discarded songs or related items with the titles you mention. The most likely scenario is that Deep Ridge, Fly By Night, and the like, were merely basic ideas that would or would not have been progressed/developed further to feature in songs that we all know now as tracks on the earliest albums.”
(http://www.queenonline.com/en/features/the-black-white-and-grey-of-queen-ii-fan-feature-by-patrick-lemieux)
The two songs I was ridiculed for mentioning back in 2004 have now been covered in books, on Brian May's website and a piece on Queen website by the author of the "Queen Chronology."
The songs exist in their entirety. How long now before the official admission?
After this is cleared up, "The Game" - the truth.
Fart Sandwiches
[QUOTE] [b]Rogers Untidy Bottom wrote:[/b]
The two songs I was ridiculed for mentioning back in 2004 have now been covered in books, on Brian May's website and a piece on Queen website by the author of the "Queen Chronology."
The songs exist in their entirety. [/QUOTE]
Prove it.
[QUOTE] [b]Rogers Untidy Bottom wrote:[/b]
How long now before the official admission?
After this is cleared up, "The Game" - the truth. [/QUOTE]
We wait with bated breath.
The two songs I was ridiculed for mentioning back in 2004 have now been covered in books, on Brian May's website and a piece on Queen website by the author of the "Queen Chronology."
The songs exist in their entirety. [/QUOTE]
Prove it.
[QUOTE] [b]Rogers Untidy Bottom wrote:[/b]
How long now before the official admission?
After this is cleared up, "The Game" - the truth. [/QUOTE]
We wait with bated breath.
Rogers Untidy Bottom
[QUOTE] [b]Fart Sandwiches wrote:[/b]
Prove it.
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Everyone else seems intent on doing that for me.
Perhaps comprehension and reading is difficult for you, love?
Prove it.
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Everyone else seems intent on doing that for me.
Perhaps comprehension and reading is difficult for you, love?
Fart Sandwiches
Oh, you mean where the Queen archivist stated:
"I base this largely upon the fact that back in 1998 I listened to ALL the Queen session recordings and there simply were not any discarded songs or related items with the titles you mention."
I comprehended that part pretty well.
What I meant by proving it was to upload a snippet of these songs that you've fabricated.
Oh, and when are you going to upload the News of the World sessions that you mentioned in the Request forum?
"I base this largely upon the fact that back in 1998 I listened to ALL the Queen session recordings and there simply were not any discarded songs or related items with the titles you mention."
I comprehended that part pretty well.
What I meant by proving it was to upload a snippet of these songs that you've fabricated.
Oh, and when are you going to upload the News of the World sessions that you mentioned in the Request forum?
slithybill
The March of the Black Queen is the only song on the album that is credited to being produced by Queen and Roy Thomas Baker AND Robin Cable. Cable and Queen produced Nevermore and FHLI, while Baker and Queen produced the rest. It makes sense to me that Surrender to the City was a stand alone song that was produced by Cable and was edited down and added to the end of the Baker-produced MOTBQ to give it a great ending.
cmsdrums
[QUOTE] [b]Fart Sandwiches wrote:[/b]
Oh, you mean where the Queen archivist stated:
"I base this largely upon the fact that back in 1998 I listened to ALL the Queen session recordings and there simply were not any discarded songs or related items with the titles you mention."
I comprehended that part pretty well.
What I meant by proving it was to upload a snippet of these songs that you've fabricated.
Oh, and when are you going to upload the News of the World sessions that you mentioned in the Request forum?[/QUOTE]
Oh, you mean where the Queen archivist stated:
"I base this largely upon the fact that back in 1998 I listened to ALL the Queen session recordings and there simply were not any discarded songs or related items with the titles you mention."
I comprehended that part pretty well.
What I meant by proving it was to upload a snippet of these songs that you've fabricated.
Oh, and when are you going to upload the News of the World sessions that you mentioned in the Request forum?[/QUOTE]
cmsdrums
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cmsdrums
[QUOTE] [b]Fart Sandwiches wrote:[/b]
Oh, you mean where the Queen archivist stated:
"I base this largely upon the fact that back in 1998 I listened to ALL the Queen session recordings and there simply were not any discarded songs or related items with the titles you mention."
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It's quite easy to imagine that since Greg listened to ALL the archives some 16 years ago, more tapes have surfaced. In the intervening period I'm sure that he has stated openly that they have found more stuff (for example when EMI handed stuff over to Universal).
It's also common knowledge that some master tapes were 'lost' and then found again. It is therefore (to me) perfectly feasible that other stuff such as the tracks being discussed here might well have also been on reels that Greg didn't know about in 1998, but people such as Mick Rock who were around the studio A LOT at the time may know about tracks that Greg didn't.
When the first 5.1 mix for ANATO was produced they cheated with an upmix of God Save The Queen cos they couldn't find the multi track. They then later confessed to finding it on a previous Queen II reel.
So, the first ANATO 5.1 mix was produced in 2001,with a revised mix by Brian in 2002, and a further release in 2005; this 2005 release has God Save The Queen for the first time from master tape, and so that tape (or the existence of that track on it) was clearly discovered between 2002 and 2005. This therefore gives the following options:;
1) The Queen II master reel with God Save The Queen on was not located in the archives when the ANATO work was done (and therefore not there previously in 1998 when Greg checked it ALL)
2) The reel WAS in the archives but Greg failed to listen to the end of the tape properly and so missed it
3) Greg DID listen to the tapes properly but cocked up actually archiving them and recording the contents
4) Greg was lying about the existence of other tracks and they were known about in 1998
Though not directly related to Queen II, Interesting article here:
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/jun02/articles/queensurround.asp
The following is very interesting and discusses the different 5.1 mixes of ANATO :
http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/queen-a-night-at-the-opera-dvd-audio-scheiner-vs-may-surround-mix.201801/
Oh, you mean where the Queen archivist stated:
"I base this largely upon the fact that back in 1998 I listened to ALL the Queen session recordings and there simply were not any discarded songs or related items with the titles you mention."
[/QUOTE]
It's quite easy to imagine that since Greg listened to ALL the archives some 16 years ago, more tapes have surfaced. In the intervening period I'm sure that he has stated openly that they have found more stuff (for example when EMI handed stuff over to Universal).
It's also common knowledge that some master tapes were 'lost' and then found again. It is therefore (to me) perfectly feasible that other stuff such as the tracks being discussed here might well have also been on reels that Greg didn't know about in 1998, but people such as Mick Rock who were around the studio A LOT at the time may know about tracks that Greg didn't.
When the first 5.1 mix for ANATO was produced they cheated with an upmix of God Save The Queen cos they couldn't find the multi track. They then later confessed to finding it on a previous Queen II reel.
So, the first ANATO 5.1 mix was produced in 2001,with a revised mix by Brian in 2002, and a further release in 2005; this 2005 release has God Save The Queen for the first time from master tape, and so that tape (or the existence of that track on it) was clearly discovered between 2002 and 2005. This therefore gives the following options:;
1) The Queen II master reel with God Save The Queen on was not located in the archives when the ANATO work was done (and therefore not there previously in 1998 when Greg checked it ALL)
2) The reel WAS in the archives but Greg failed to listen to the end of the tape properly and so missed it
3) Greg DID listen to the tapes properly but cocked up actually archiving them and recording the contents
4) Greg was lying about the existence of other tracks and they were known about in 1998
Though not directly related to Queen II, Interesting article here:
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/jun02/articles/queensurround.asp
The following is very interesting and discusses the different 5.1 mixes of ANATO :
http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/queen-a-night-at-the-opera-dvd-audio-scheiner-vs-may-surround-mix.201801/
Sebastian
Nice thread.
Benn Kempster
cmsdrums, re:
>4) Greg was lying about the existence of other tracks and they were known about in 1998
SURELY not.........? My goodness, I'd never considered THAT option....... ;-)
>4) Greg was lying about the existence of other tracks and they were known about in 1998
SURELY not.........? My goodness, I'd never considered THAT option....... ;-)