Bo Rap, has there been any other group to compose a song like this?
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splicksplack · Member since
Not quite the same thing but I always says saw similarities in the video if not the song of...
1. I Don't Like Mondays by the Boomtown Rats. The 'tell me why' choral backing vocal bits always sounded like a nod to the BR middle section. And in the video they arranged themselves in the same diamond shape as the operatic bit in BR.
2. Country House by Blur. Not only the same diamond formation but also using the kalaidoscope camera effect on the middle choral-like "Blow, blow me out, I am so sad, I don't know why"
Sheer Brass Neck · Member since
Regardless of what pre-dated BR, the lot of them combined had less impact than BR, at the time and historically. Not that polls mean anything but pretty sure few of the examples listed would be in the top 1000 songs of all times. BR is the top or near the top in multiple territories nearly 40 years after its release. It wasn't just the structure, the execution was amazing and unlike anything the overwhelming majority of the public had heard. Maybe that's why they were so adamant that it had to be released as a single? Otherwise it be like Good Company: amazing, groundbreaking but ultimately obscure to all but die hard fans.
pittrek · Member since
What about Manowar's Achilles - Agony & Ecstasy in 8 parts? Amazing song
brENsKi · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]Sheer Brass Neck wrote:[/b]
Regardless of what pre-dated BR, the lot of them combined had less impact than BR, at the time and historically. Not that polls mean anything but pretty sure few of the examples listed would be in the top 1000 songs of all times. .[/QUOTE]
but NONE of that ^^^ is what the OP was asking.
which makes the "examples" you dismiss even more important. the OP was stating an unawareness of anything BEFORE Bo Rhap that touched on the territory
k-m · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]brENsKi wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]k-m wrote:[/b]
Other bands, like the Beatles might have tried classical arrangements, but no-one pushed it so far and as bravely as them. Paranoid Android is the closest thing that comes to my mind, but it happened years after the Queen single.[/QUOTE]
and what about Deep Purple's "concerto for group and orchestra" ???? does that not push the classical arrangement thing enough for you? or do you conveniently forget that BECAUSE it predates Bo Rhap by FIVE years and kinda makes your argument void?
Purple dabbled in and out of bach and beethoven loads...but YOu also ignore that.
the Toys - A Lover's Concerto - top5 hit 1965!!!! was a Bach minuet
the beatles - eleanor rigby
carole king - tapestry
the move - night of fear
the nice - america
and if you want to really think about this properly...Manfred Mann's Earthband released a whole album of classical influenced/arranged music "solar fire" in 1973 - two years BEFORE Bo Rhap....with a single "Joybringer" reaching the UK top 10...
and how about John Mile's "Music"...just a couple of months AFTER Bo Rhap - a huge hit ...and much more classically arranged than Bo Rhap
same applies to eric carmen - all by myself (one of the most world-wide known songs of all time) is a Rachmaninov arrangement - yes that SAME Rachmaninov that Freddie loved so much!!![/QUOTE]
No need to get excited there. I thought the OP asked specifically about an "operatic theme", not just a classical arrangement. Regardless, I still cannot recall a well-known song before Rhapsody which would borrow from opera so extensively. Won't argue about the Deep Purple concerto, as I never listened to it and have no intention to.
GuitarMay · Member since
Really, maybe in the originallity and audacity in write, compose, make clip video, chorus, this music in global planet earth is unique and ain't don't create nothing something like this !
brENsKi · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]k-m wrote:[/b][QUOTE] [b]brENsKi wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]k-m wrote:[/b]
Other bands, like the Beatles might have tried classical arrangements, but no-one pushed it so far and as bravely as them. Paranoid Android is the closest thing that comes to my mind, but it happened years after the Queen single.[/QUOTE]and what about Deep Purple's "concerto for group and orchestra" ???? does that not push the classical arrangement thing enough for you? or do you conveniently forget that BECAUSE it predates Bo Rhap by FIVE years and kinda makes your argument void? Purple dabbled in and out of bach and beethoven loads...but YOu also ignore that.
the Toys - A Lover's Concerto - top5 hit 1965!!!! was a Bach minuet
the beatles - eleanor rigby
carole king - tapestry
the move - night of fear
the nice - america
and if you want to really think about this properly...Manfred Mann's Earthband released a whole album of classical influenced/arranged music "solar fire" in 1973 - two years BEFORE Bo Rhap....with a single "Joybringer" reaching the UK top 10...[/QUOTE]
No need to get excited there. I thought the OP asked specifically about an "operatic theme", not just a classical arrangement. Regardless, I still cannot recall a well-known song before Rhapsody which would borrow from opera so extensively. Won't argue about the Deep Purple concerto, as I never listened to it and have no intention to. [/QUOTE]
firstly, i wasn't getting excited.
secondly, it was YOUR reference to classical arrangements (see above) - that i was replying to, and my points were accurate.
thirdly, your last statement says more about you than anything else. you love Bo Rhap for the same reason that you have "no intention of listening to" Purple's "concerto" ...stunning
AlbaNo1 · Member since
Id have thought Stairway to Heaven would have been an influence too, in terms of having three sections ,a ballady start culminating in a hard rock finale.
Sebastian · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]Sheer Brass Neck wrote:[/b]
Regardless of what pre-dated BR, the lot of them combined had less impact than BR.[/QUOTE]
Nobody's debating that. Bo Rhap is a masterpiece and all that, but it's not the only masterpiece and it's not the first song to be 'different'. Russia's the world's largest country, but that doesn't mean Russia's the whole world; the femur's the human body's largest bone, but that doesn't mean it's the only bone, nor it means the whole human body's just the femur.
[QUOTE] [b]Sheer Brass Neck wrote:[/b]
Not that polls mean anything but pretty sure few of the examples listed would be in the top 1000 songs of all times.[/QUOTE]
Those polls are usually made by and for ignorant tossers anyway.
[QUOTE] [b]Sheer Brass Neck wrote:[/b]
It wasn't just the structure, the execution was amazing and unlike anything the overwhelming majority of the public had heard.[/QUOTE]
Yes but the same can be said about nearly every good song ever. Russia's the world's largest country, but that doesn't mean Russia's the whole world; the femur's the human body's largest bone, but that doesn't mean it's the only bone, nor it means the whole human body's just the femur.
[QUOTE] [b]Sheer Brass Neck wrote:[/b]
Maybe that's why they were so adamant that it had to be released as a single?[/QUOTE]
They released it as a single because it had hit potential, simple as that.
[QUOTE] [b]Sheer Brass Neck wrote:[/b]
Otherwise it be like Good Company: amazing, groundbreaking but ultimately obscure to all but die hard fans.[/QUOTE]
Millions of people bought the album so they heard the song at least once. And not all of them were die-hard fans.
Sheer Brass Neck · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]Sebastian wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]Sheer Brass Neck wrote:[/b]
Regardless of what pre-dated BR, the lot of them combined had less impact than BR.[/QUOTE]
Nobody's debating that. Bo Rhap is a masterpiece and all that, but it's not the only masterpiece and it's not the first song to be 'different'. Russia's the world's largest country, but that doesn't mean Russia's the whole world; the femur's the human body's largest bone, but that doesn't mean it's the only bone, nor it means the whole human body's just the femur.
[QUOTE] [b]Sheer Brass Neck wrote:[/b]
Not that polls mean anything but pretty sure few of the examples listed would be in the top 1000 songs of all times.[/QUOTE]
Those polls are usually made by and for ignorant tossers anyway.
[QUOTE] [b]Sheer Brass Neck wrote:[/b]
It wasn't just the structure, the execution was amazing and unlike anything the overwhelming majority of the public had heard.[/QUOTE]
Yes but the same can be said about nearly every good song ever. Russia's the world's largest country, but that doesn't mean Russia's the whole world; the femur's the human body's largest bone, but that doesn't mean it's the only bone, nor it means the whole human body's just the femur.
[QUOTE] [b]Sheer Brass Neck wrote:[/b]
Maybe that's why they were so adamant that it had to be released as a single?[/QUOTE]
They released it as a single because it had hit potential, simple as that.
[QUOTE] [b]Sheer Brass Neck wrote:[/b]
Otherwise it be like Good Company: amazing, groundbreaking but ultimately obscure to all but die hard fans.[/QUOTE]
Millions of people bought the album so they heard the song at least once. And not all of them were die-hard fans.[/QUOTE]
What's with the Russia fetish :)
Sheer Brass Neck · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]brENsKi wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]Sheer Brass Neck wrote:[/b]
Regardless of what pre-dated BR, the lot of them combined had less impact than BR, at the time and historically. Not that polls mean anything but pretty sure few of the examples listed would be in the top 1000 songs of all times. .[/QUOTE]
but NONE of that ^^^ is what the OP was asking.
which makes the "examples" you dismiss even more important. the OP was stating an unawareness of anything BEFORE Bo Rhap that touched on the territory
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Good catch Brenski, I got into the middle of the post and missed the OPs point, I am rightfully chastened :)
Sebastian · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]Sheer Brass Neck wrote:[/b]
What's with the Russia fetish :)[/QUOTE]
It's the largest country in the world, so it's good for analogies. I could've used any other, but by using Russia I make my point far clearer.
brENsKi · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]Sheer Brass Neck wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]brENsKi wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]Sheer Brass Neck wrote:[/b]
Regardless of what pre-dated BR, the lot of them combined had less impact than BR, at the time and historically. Not that polls mean anything but pretty sure few of the examples listed would be in the top 1000 songs of all times. .[/QUOTE]
but NONE of that ^^^ is what the OP was asking.
which makes the "examples" you dismiss even more important. the OP was stating an unawareness of anything BEFORE Bo Rhap that touched on the territory
[/QUOTE]
Good catch Brenski, I got into the middle of the post and missed the OPs point, I am rightfully chastened :)[/QUOTE]
cheers fella. (i think) :-)
Sheer Brass Neck · Member since
^^^
No snark in my post, I missed the point of the thread and lost the plot. Not the first time, won't be the last :)
k-m · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]brENsKi wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]k-m wrote:[/b][QUOTE] [b]brENsKi wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]k-m wrote:[/b]
Other bands, like the Beatles might have tried classical arrangements, but no-one pushed it so far and as bravely as them. Paranoid Android is the closest thing that comes to my mind, but it happened years after the Queen single.[/QUOTE]and what about Deep Purple's "concerto for group and orchestra" ???? does that not push the classical arrangement thing enough for you? or do you conveniently forget that BECAUSE it predates Bo Rhap by FIVE years and kinda makes your argument void? Purple dabbled in and out of bach and beethoven loads...but YOu also ignore that.
the Toys - A Lover's Concerto - top5 hit 1965!!!! was a Bach minuet
the beatles - eleanor rigby
carole king - tapestry
the move - night of fear
the nice - america
and if you want to really think about this properly...Manfred Mann's Earthband released a whole album of classical influenced/arranged music "solar fire" in 1973 - two years BEFORE Bo Rhap....with a single "Joybringer" reaching the UK top 10...[/QUOTE]
No need to get excited there. I thought the OP asked specifically about an "operatic theme", not just a classical arrangement. Regardless, I still cannot recall a well-known song before Rhapsody which would borrow from opera so extensively. Won't argue about the Deep Purple concerto, as I never listened to it and have no intention to. [/QUOTE]
firstly, i wasn't getting excited.
secondly, it was YOUR reference to classical arrangements (see above) - that i was replying to, and my points were accurate.
thirdly, your last statement says more about you than anything else. you love Bo Rhap for the same reason that you have "no intention of listening to" Purple's "concerto" ...stunning[/QUOTE]
I was simply referring to what someone wrote earlier about the Beatles and "classical arrangements". Still, Eleanor Rigby was no Bo Rhap and neither was A Day in the Life (no matter how much I like both songs). Won't go into the DP thing. Simply not my cup of tea. Anyway, I gave my answer to the OP's question, you can disagree, that's fine. It's only rock n roll!