Queen find more Freddie Mercury demos than originally thought

I remember the big "There are MANY ALBUMS worth of new, unreleased material left out there!!!" rumor when it first surfaced. It was around 2 years after Freddie passed, so 2 years before Made In Heaven was released.

At the time, their reply was that there was probably not enough new material left to even release a single (full) album, but that they were looking to see what they could do.

As it turns out, that quote pretty much ended up being right on the money considering how Made In Heaven was put together, no? Seems like they answered pretty honestly.

[QUOTE] [b]malicedoom wrote:[/b]

I remember the big "There are MANY ALBUMS worth of new, unreleased material left out there!!!" rumor when it first surfaced. It was around 2 years after Freddie passed, so 2 years before Made In Heaven was released.

At the time, their reply was that there was probably not enough new material left to even release a single (full) album, but that they were looking to see what they could do.

As it turns out, that quote pretty much ended up being right on the money considering how Made In Heaven was put together, no? Seems like they answered pretty honestly.[/QUOTE]

but that could have been because of the nature of the made in heaven project
it was going to be a farewell send off to Freddie. so required a certain kind of music, music that had not been done before, ambience and instrumentals etc, and only certain pre made demos and song that fitted the feeling of the album were used

[QUOTE] [b]zazzizwaziziz wrote:[/b]

only certain pre made demos and song that fitted the feeling of the album were used

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That's indeed a very good point. Another one is that certain songs that didn't qualify for the albums could've been rejected for reasons other than their perceived quality. Maybe there wasn't enough room, maybe Freddie didn't like them (and now that he's dead he can't veto them), maybe John didn't like them (and now that he's retired he's not gonna get in the way), maybe Roger didn't like them and now he's changed his mind, maybe Brian didn't like them and now he's changed his mind, maybe there was already something else on the album which was quite similar, etc.

We all know how 'Human Body' got demoted to B-Side because Maycury thought the album was already 'melodic enough' (I assume they meant they'd already got sufficient ballads with PtG, SM and SASS, and AHB would've been one too many). That'd also explain why IaBD (too melodic and also just Freddie at that point) also remained unreleased for 15 years, until they found it'd make a good opener for the posthumous project. It doesn't necessarily mean it wasn't good enough for The Game (it's, IMO, way better than Dragon Attack, Don't Try Suicide, Another One Bites the Dust and Coming Soon combined, not that it's saying much though...).

[QUOTE] [b]Sebastian wrote:[/b]

[QUOTE] [b]zazzizwaziziz wrote:[/b]

only certain pre made demos and song that fitted the feeling of the album were used

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That's indeed a very good point. Another one is that certain songs that didn't qualify for the albums could've been rejected for reasons other than their perceived quality. Maybe there wasn't enough room, maybe Freddie didn't like them (and now that he's dead he can't veto them), maybe John didn't like them (and now that he's retired he's not gonna get in the way), maybe Roger didn't like them and now he's changed his mind, maybe Brian didn't like them and now he's changed his mind, maybe there was already something else on the album which was quite similar, etc.

We all know how 'Human Body' got demoted to B-Side because Maycury thought the album was already 'melodic enough' (I assume they meant they'd already got sufficient ballads with PtG, SM and SASS, and AHB would've been one too many). That'd also explain why IaBD (too melodic and also just Freddie at that point) also remained unreleased for 15 years, until they found it'd make a good opener for the posthumous project. It doesn't necessarily mean it wasn't good enough for The Game (it's, IMO, way better than Dragon Attack, Don't Try Suicide, Another One Bites the Dust and Coming Soon combined, not that it's saying much though...).[/QUOTE]

Yes, and it certainly seems surprising that I Was Born to Love You and Made in Heaven were not included on The Freddie Mercury Album if there was no ulterior motive about releasing them later on. I mean I Was Born to Love You was a really bouncy number on the Mr Bad Guy album and had to be slowed down and a great deal of ambience added before it was really suitable to be included on the MIH project..

And I mean the alternative would have been Brian, Roger and John saying something like "hey its great and really lucky that Made In Heaven wasn't included on The Freddie Mercury Album. Cos its a really great track and now we can even use it as the title track for the album we are going to make." Maybe! But I doubt it.

[QUOTE] [b]malicedoom wrote:[/b]

I remember the big "There are MANY ALBUMS worth of new, unreleased material left out there!!!" rumor when it first surfaced. It was around 2 years after Freddie passed, so 2 years before Made In Heaven was released.

At the time, their reply was that there was probably not enough new material left to even release a single (full) album, but that they were looking to see what they could do.

As it turns out, that quote pretty much ended up being right on the money considering how Made In Heaven was put together, no? Seems like they answered pretty honestly.[/QUOTE]

You might be right malice! However an alternative theory might be that they were conserving the remaining new music that they had to times when the audience was less receptive to Queen's music. I mean this was the first posthumous album,so rereleasing the best of the solo albums and b-sides meant that the the mainstream wouldn't have heard these songs before and the quality was high.

And if you're right, then Brian and Roger really are just discovering stuff now after all these years. It is possible I guess.

That rumour about many albums is interesting too! I mean who started it? As I said, I heard a similar thing through the Australian media right at the time of Freddie's death. Now that's a bit strange!

I also know that I heard in about 1990, that Prince said he would be able to release more new material until about the year 2030 if he continued to release albums at the same rate he was doing at the time. Doesn't mean it's true about Queen too of course, but next year's album, if it eventuates, will be the second posthumous release. Hope we don't have to wait so long if there's going to be a third!

Yeah, regarding the "I Was Born To Love You" and "Made In Heaven" tracks, I just assumed they were kept off The Great Pretender/The Freddie Mercury Album on purpose so they could be re-worked as Queen songs somewhere down the road. That always made sense me.

I guess my main point was I don't think there's any really big gems still out there as some people have speculated and were claiming even back then. I wouldn't doubt there's still some unreleased stuff, sure - maybe quite a bit - but I'm guessing it's of far less quality than what the 'Made In Heaven' album provided us. Just my $0.02.

Yeah, I don't think it was a coincidence that some songs were left off The Great Pretender/FM Album. In fact, I read on QOL from someone a few degrees from "in the know" that it was deliberate that Born To Love You, Made In Heaven, More To Life, and Love Me Like There's No Tomorrow were absent from that album, because Brian, Roger, and John might have had plans to work on those songs at some point.

The only thing that doesn't necessarily line up is that TGP/FMAlbum were released in 1992, and Brian, Roger, and John didn't start working on MIH until 1993. Perhaps they just wanted dibs on some of the stronger material from Mr. Bad Guy (thankfully, they left Barcelona alone) and earmarked those four for possibilities.

So Queen may well have been thinking about what to release on Made in Heaven before 1993. Nothing wrong with that, but that's not what we were told.

And if those other two tracks were also left off to be worked on later, did they have other tracks ready to join them on another compilation album? I noticed Brian did use that term (i.e. compilation album) in an interview recently. And based on the MIH model, they would only need a few new tracks while the rest could be more reworked best of the solos and b-sides tracks, which the mainstream would never have heard of either.

So that would explain where the next album is coming from. I don't think I could argue beyond that based on what we know unless those "many albums" rumours really were true. I mean If there were to be a third posthumous album, then I think it would have to be drawn from other sources.

Given they have signed that new contract, maybe we will just start seeing some albums featuring some interesting alternative versions, live tracks and maybe some demos not considered good enough for release on a fully fledged album.

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You know I find it interesting that Brian "found" all of these unheard demo's.

The topic that brought up the question, if there was anything left with Freddie's vocals, was hashed out here on Queenzone a few years ago, and the general conscious was that they used up everything they had to make MIH.

I have to wonder if Brian was kinda leading us on with that one.

This thing about Brian has found x y or z is so misleading. He has never, to my knowledge, said I have found. I believe his words were we, which to me implies the organization or record company, not one person.

There does seem to be a willingness to jump on anything BM says, and in the process accuse him of what ever appears to fit.

This may be really silly questions/statements however...what was Freddie's life about? What was he absolutely driven towards? Music and recording. How would anyone believe that there isn't far more than they let on? My opinion is that there are plenty of demos and full recordings that have been held back for whatever reasons. When you live for music as Freddie did, there has to be a LOT more, especially considering the number of years he was an artist.

For example. I work for a gentleman who was Elvis P.s bunk mate in the service. Elvis would sit and play guitar and sing a lot. This man I work for has his own reel to reel recordings of many of those sessions. These have never been heard...nor will he share them.

Tell me there isn't far more of Freddie out there!

[QUOTE] [b]Missreclusive wrote:[/b]
For example. I work for a gentleman who was Elvis P.s bunk mate in the service. Elvis would sit and play guitar and sing a lot. This man I work for has his own reel to reel recordings of many of those sessions. These have never been heard...nor will he share them.

Tell me there isn't far more of Freddie out there! [/QUOTE]

You do know that Elvis is still alive don't you............of course his name is Jon Cotner...lol.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huB1uieYpd4

Of course this guy Jon has really got things stirred up. One thing I can say is that his speaking voice, and singing voice is DEAD ON. No other tribute artist comes as close to Jon in sounding like the real deal............

That story about "shelfed" songs is true and no myth or disremembering. Just for example a snippet from early in 94 (german youth magazine) basicly in this snippet they(Brian May) announced Queen Tour with George Michaels (Picture montage)...later that tour was ruled out by a statement from Roger... but anyway !
Back to topic...it says that about 200 Queen songs were shelfed in various studios. 
Other sources from inside the industrie mentioned about material that would be enough for five or six new albums.

True? - false? - I don`t know.