[QUOTE] [b]gerry wrote:[/b]
destroying there legacy[/QUOTE]
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someonewholikesadam
[QUOTE] [b]Zebonka12 wrote:[/b]
You've been single for a few years so you take a chance on a so-so sort of girl. You get kind of stuck with her, but you're sick of being lonely so what the hell. Then like a year later, you meet the actual woman of your dreams, and you're too much of an emotional coward to dump the one you're with.
The tale of Queen, Lambert, and Martel.[/QUOTE]
Are you sure that's not the tale of Someonewholikesadam, Zebonka and BrENski?
You've been single for a few years so you take a chance on a so-so sort of girl. You get kind of stuck with her, but you're sick of being lonely so what the hell. Then like a year later, you meet the actual woman of your dreams, and you're too much of an emotional coward to dump the one you're with.
The tale of Queen, Lambert, and Martel.[/QUOTE]
Are you sure that's not the tale of Someonewholikesadam, Zebonka and BrENski?
someonewholikesadam
A Word In Your Ear
I have been reading these "Nobody is a good as Freddie" threads, since 2005 when the first Q+PR tour happened. What is it that people don't like? Is just that all these other singers aren't Freddie? No, They're not Freddie, Freddie is unfortunately gone. Both Brian & Roger are not up to taking on Lead vocals for a full concert, so what option do they have??? Hang up their Instruments forever & wallow in self pity because they have lost their lead singer, or still carry on? I know the next thing people will say is, "Yes, But they should not call themselves "Queen". But lets be honest, Marketing has a lot to do with selling tickets. Who would rather go & see "Brian May, Roger Taylor + Adam Lambert" or "Queen + Adam Lambert" & What name would put more bums on seats? But lets get back to topic, let's do some math:-
2005 Q+PR = Tour
2006 Q+PR = Tour
2008 Q+PR = Tour
2012 Q+AL = Mini Tour
2014 Q+AL = Tour
Now lets take away the Guest Vocalist & do the math again:-
2005, 2006, 2008, 2012, 2014 Q+ "No Guest Vocalist" = Brian & Roger sat on their backsides at home doing nothing...
Regarding Adam Lambert, if I am honest, on the 2012 mini Tour, Adam brought out the best in Brian. Brian was playing waaaay better than the 2008 Q+PR tour when obviously Brian & Paul had issues & Brian was just going through the motions. In 2012, there was no Jamie to carry Brian along, it was uplifting to see Brian back to his former self & if Adam Lambert created this, well god bless Adam Lambert.
I'm not knocking all those people who do not like any of the Post-Freddie ventures, it's their own personal views. But The easy solution is Don't buy a ticket, just listen/watch the Queen with Freddie on DVD & Audio.
It's a little unfair to "Knock" a singer for just "Not Being Freddie"
Also there is the issue of a whole new generation of Queen fans who were too young / not even born to see a Queen concert in the 1980's, so what choice do they have to see a "Queen" concert. (my 2 teenage kids included.)
2005 Q+PR = Tour
2006 Q+PR = Tour
2008 Q+PR = Tour
2012 Q+AL = Mini Tour
2014 Q+AL = Tour
Now lets take away the Guest Vocalist & do the math again:-
2005, 2006, 2008, 2012, 2014 Q+ "No Guest Vocalist" = Brian & Roger sat on their backsides at home doing nothing...
Regarding Adam Lambert, if I am honest, on the 2012 mini Tour, Adam brought out the best in Brian. Brian was playing waaaay better than the 2008 Q+PR tour when obviously Brian & Paul had issues & Brian was just going through the motions. In 2012, there was no Jamie to carry Brian along, it was uplifting to see Brian back to his former self & if Adam Lambert created this, well god bless Adam Lambert.
I'm not knocking all those people who do not like any of the Post-Freddie ventures, it's their own personal views. But The easy solution is Don't buy a ticket, just listen/watch the Queen with Freddie on DVD & Audio.
It's a little unfair to "Knock" a singer for just "Not Being Freddie"
Also there is the issue of a whole new generation of Queen fans who were too young / not even born to see a Queen concert in the 1980's, so what choice do they have to see a "Queen" concert. (my 2 teenage kids included.)
john bodega
'This sucks' is as valid a statement as 'this rocks'. And I for one am not giving Lambert shit for not being Freddie, because under that criteria it'd be an awfully long list of names to get through. I'm giving him shit because I got tired of hearing him do off-tune trills during every big stadium finish at the end of each song.
It used to be the case that this collaboration was somewhat defensible because Lambert has 'chops', but it doesn't work for me anymore. Usain Bolt has 'chops', in that he has very strong legs. But it'd be like giving him the gold medal for lying on the ground and kicking in the air as hard as he could. Yep - strong legs, but you missed the point.
And I've given Lambert credit where it's due, in that when he remembers to serve the song he does a good job. But that shouldn't be something that only happens once or twice in a two hour set.
I don't know where the fear of criticism comes from on this forum. 'Don't like it, don't listen to it ...' - one of the most boneheaded attitudes to ever invade the internet. I HAVE to hear something before I can talk about it! Lordy. I knew John Mayer and Keith Urban playing at a Beatles tribute would be shit the second I heard about it, but I did the right thing and torrented it before knocking on it.
Given the option, I still can't say to a certainty whether or not I'd pay to see Q+AL playing. I really, really did want to see Brian before he retires (something I was too young for in '98 when he came here). But it's not my idea of a fun night out to be having to basically ignore the lead vocalist in a band. I've experienced enough 'third wheel' action on enough dates to know that smoke machines and pyrotechnics won't be enough to make it enjoyable.
It used to be the case that this collaboration was somewhat defensible because Lambert has 'chops', but it doesn't work for me anymore. Usain Bolt has 'chops', in that he has very strong legs. But it'd be like giving him the gold medal for lying on the ground and kicking in the air as hard as he could. Yep - strong legs, but you missed the point.
And I've given Lambert credit where it's due, in that when he remembers to serve the song he does a good job. But that shouldn't be something that only happens once or twice in a two hour set.
I don't know where the fear of criticism comes from on this forum. 'Don't like it, don't listen to it ...' - one of the most boneheaded attitudes to ever invade the internet. I HAVE to hear something before I can talk about it! Lordy. I knew John Mayer and Keith Urban playing at a Beatles tribute would be shit the second I heard about it, but I did the right thing and torrented it before knocking on it.
Given the option, I still can't say to a certainty whether or not I'd pay to see Q+AL playing. I really, really did want to see Brian before he retires (something I was too young for in '98 when he came here). But it's not my idea of a fun night out to be having to basically ignore the lead vocalist in a band. I've experienced enough 'third wheel' action on enough dates to know that smoke machines and pyrotechnics won't be enough to make it enjoyable.
A Word In Your Ear
[QUOTE] [b]Zebonka12 wrote:[/b]
'Don't like it, don't listen to it ...' - one of the most boneheaded attitudes to ever invade the internet. I HAVE to hear something before I can talk about it! Lordy [/QUOTE]
Maybe, but it's like trying something new. If I went out for a meal & ate something new & didn't like it, but my wife loved it. I wouldn't have it again, but I wouldn't go on & on & on trying to convince my wife that it was shite, knowing that she loved it.
it's everyone's own personal taste. I wouldn't go and see Adam Lambert on his own, but with the "Queen" Seasoning, I will & I have..
'Don't like it, don't listen to it ...' - one of the most boneheaded attitudes to ever invade the internet. I HAVE to hear something before I can talk about it! Lordy [/QUOTE]
Maybe, but it's like trying something new. If I went out for a meal & ate something new & didn't like it, but my wife loved it. I wouldn't have it again, but I wouldn't go on & on & on trying to convince my wife that it was shite, knowing that she loved it.
it's everyone's own personal taste. I wouldn't go and see Adam Lambert on his own, but with the "Queen" Seasoning, I will & I have..
tero! 48531
[QUOTE] [b]A Word In Your Ear wrote:[/b]
Now lets take away the Guest Vocalist & do the math again:-
2005, 2006, 2008, 2012, 2014 Q+ "No Guest Vocalist" = Brian & Roger sat on their backsides at home doing nothing...
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Unfortunately, your math is flawed.
It isn't about having the chance to play live, it's about the chance to play live to a big audience and keep up the illusion that you're still a huge star.
Brian & Roger, on their own, could do a 100 date theatre tour every year for the rest of their lives. They could also keep releasing new duet albums every few years to make it interesting for the audience, instead of playing only the biggest Queen hits.
What it comes down to is that they prefer commercial success over artistic success.
Now lets take away the Guest Vocalist & do the math again:-
2005, 2006, 2008, 2012, 2014 Q+ "No Guest Vocalist" = Brian & Roger sat on their backsides at home doing nothing...
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Unfortunately, your math is flawed.
It isn't about having the chance to play live, it's about the chance to play live to a big audience and keep up the illusion that you're still a huge star.
Brian & Roger, on their own, could do a 100 date theatre tour every year for the rest of their lives. They could also keep releasing new duet albums every few years to make it interesting for the audience, instead of playing only the biggest Queen hits.
What it comes down to is that they prefer commercial success over artistic success.
john bodega
"but I wouldn't go on & on & on trying to convince my wife that it was shite, knowing that she loved it"
Your wife would be rather conceited if she thought that the only value of your criticism was to convince her to stop eating stuff you didn't like, but I get your analogy. I kind of see this forum as opinion sharing as opposed to proper consumer advice, though - not really imagining that a thread like this is going to sway anyone from seeing the show or not seeing it.
Your wife would be rather conceited if she thought that the only value of your criticism was to convince her to stop eating stuff you didn't like, but I get your analogy. I kind of see this forum as opinion sharing as opposed to proper consumer advice, though - not really imagining that a thread like this is going to sway anyone from seeing the show or not seeing it.
Vocal harmony
There will always be a problem with any "Queen"+ tour. No one who walks out on a stage with BM and RT will ever be accepted as being the right choice by everyone. Whether it be Paul Rodgers, Jeff Scott Soto who came close. Adam Lambert or anyone else. Everyone of us has an idea who they want to see on that stage, but for everyone who may agree with a choice there will always be an equal number who don't agree and will have their own views.
Marc Martel is a name that keeps coming up, but both BM and RT have made it clear that they don't want to tour with a singer who sounds or sings in anyway like Freddie. That's their choice and if you've shared a stage with the best anyone who sounds similar will never be good enough. As with Paul Rodgers playing with Adam Lambert allows BM and RT to take the songs in a new direction and not directly compete with their past.
The Hammersmith shows with Lambert felt a lot more like Queen than any of the Paul Rodgers shows. Was that down to their choice of singer, the fact there was no second guitarist, allowing BM to play like he used to or was it the visual impact of the lighting rig. Who really knows, maybe all of those things. But if they can repeat that formula in American arenas there is a chance the shows will be great, with a stronger band feel than Q+PR ever achieved
Marc Martel is a name that keeps coming up, but both BM and RT have made it clear that they don't want to tour with a singer who sounds or sings in anyway like Freddie. That's their choice and if you've shared a stage with the best anyone who sounds similar will never be good enough. As with Paul Rodgers playing with Adam Lambert allows BM and RT to take the songs in a new direction and not directly compete with their past.
The Hammersmith shows with Lambert felt a lot more like Queen than any of the Paul Rodgers shows. Was that down to their choice of singer, the fact there was no second guitarist, allowing BM to play like he used to or was it the visual impact of the lighting rig. Who really knows, maybe all of those things. But if they can repeat that formula in American arenas there is a chance the shows will be great, with a stronger band feel than Q+PR ever achieved
The Real Wizard
[QUOTE] [b]Zebonka12 wrote:[/b]
I kind of see this forum as opinion sharing as opposed to proper consumer advice, though - not really imagining that a thread like this is going to sway anyone from seeing the show or not seeing it.[/QUOTE]
But isn't that what most forums are by design - a place for people to talk at each other rather than a place to shut up and listen?
It really is just an extension of people's communication skills. In real conversation most people just wait for the other person to stop blabbing so that they can blab back, as opposed to real active listening and genuine exchange of dialogue and ideas.
I kind of see this forum as opinion sharing as opposed to proper consumer advice, though - not really imagining that a thread like this is going to sway anyone from seeing the show or not seeing it.[/QUOTE]
But isn't that what most forums are by design - a place for people to talk at each other rather than a place to shut up and listen?
It really is just an extension of people's communication skills. In real conversation most people just wait for the other person to stop blabbing so that they can blab back, as opposed to real active listening and genuine exchange of dialogue and ideas.
The Real Wizard
[QUOTE] [b]Vocal harmony wrote:[/b]
The Hammersmith shows with Lambert felt a lot more like Queen than any of the Paul Rodgers shows. Was that down to their choice of singer, the fact there was no second guitarist, allowing BM to play like he used to or was it the visual impact of the lighting rig. Who really knows, maybe all of those things. But if they can repeat that formula in American arenas there is a chance the shows will be great, with a stronger band feel than Q+PR ever achieved [/QUOTE]
Interesting insight ! Tantalizing, even.
The Hammersmith shows with Lambert felt a lot more like Queen than any of the Paul Rodgers shows. Was that down to their choice of singer, the fact there was no second guitarist, allowing BM to play like he used to or was it the visual impact of the lighting rig. Who really knows, maybe all of those things. But if they can repeat that formula in American arenas there is a chance the shows will be great, with a stronger band feel than Q+PR ever achieved [/QUOTE]
Interesting insight ! Tantalizing, even.
The Real Wizard
Bands have always changed members, so these discussions are decades old.
Sabbath is Ozzy!
Van Halen is Dave!
Floyd is Roger!
But alas we're going to have to deal with / ignore these idiots for the next six months or so...
Joy.
Sabbath is Ozzy!
Van Halen is Dave!
Floyd is Roger!
But alas we're going to have to deal with / ignore these idiots for the next six months or so...
Joy.
Wiley
I thought Floyd was Syd... but that didn't last much :S
john bodega
"Marc Martel is a name that keeps coming up, but both BM and RT have made it clear that they don't want to tour with a singer who sounds or sings in anyway like Freddie. That's their choice and if you've shared a stage with the best anyone who sounds similar will never be good enough"
It's the cognitive dissonance - the downright un-musical thinking - that pisses me off the most. I've said it before; it stinks on ice that Martel is effectively being shut out for being *too good at his job*. He can roll up and smoke anyone who has played with Brian and Roger in recent years, but he's playing understudy?? It's bullshit.
(I do enjoy watching his Queen Extravaganza stuff though, so there's that).
It's the cognitive dissonance - the downright un-musical thinking - that pisses me off the most. I've said it before; it stinks on ice that Martel is effectively being shut out for being *too good at his job*. He can roll up and smoke anyone who has played with Brian and Roger in recent years, but he's playing understudy?? It's bullshit.
(I do enjoy watching his Queen Extravaganza stuff though, so there's that).
Mike G
[QUOTE] [b]The Real Wizard wrote:[/b]
Bands have always changed members, so these discussions are decades old.
Sabbath is Ozzy!
Van Halen is Dave!
Floyd is Roger!
But alas we're going to have to deal with / ignore these idiots for the next six months or so...
Joy.[/QUOTE]
You know deep inside that Queen + Lambert makes Queen look like a Joke...I do agree that Queen could go on without Freddie, The bands you mentioned and many many more legendary bands have kept going through lineup changes...the list is endless...Only a few bands called it quits after a member died or the original band broke up for whatever reason. The Beatles and Zeppelin did it....Not many more have...I personally don't like Lambert for Queen...Paul Rodger's wasn't a great fit either but at least he was a legend and songwriter in his own right....
Bands have always changed members, so these discussions are decades old.
Sabbath is Ozzy!
Van Halen is Dave!
Floyd is Roger!
But alas we're going to have to deal with / ignore these idiots for the next six months or so...
Joy.[/QUOTE]
You know deep inside that Queen + Lambert makes Queen look like a Joke...I do agree that Queen could go on without Freddie, The bands you mentioned and many many more legendary bands have kept going through lineup changes...the list is endless...Only a few bands called it quits after a member died or the original band broke up for whatever reason. The Beatles and Zeppelin did it....Not many more have...I personally don't like Lambert for Queen...Paul Rodger's wasn't a great fit either but at least he was a legend and songwriter in his own right....