Do you think Freddie would still be touring just like they are now?

I think he would have done something, musically, although who knows what? I like to think that he would have, primarily, drunk a lot of fine champagne, eaten a lot of fine food with the finest people he knew, continued to buy beautiful artwork... he may have opened a museum or staged a rock ballet, or built an ice palace in the arctic. Who knows? Whatever he did, it would probably have been a lot of fun. That's what I like to think, anyway. Or, he could have spent the rest of his life on a sofa watching, 'Coronation Street' while trawling internet forums, had a hair transplant, had his teeth 'fixed' and become unrecognisable, opened a horrible vintage clothing store and become an old 'crazy cat man', covered in fur balls and smelling of frisky-bits... I mean, he was unpredictable by all accounts. I just hope he wouldn't have been a 'pop-idol' judge at any point. However, he might have got a kick out of 'Strictly come dancing'!

[QUOTE] [b]Zamidoo wrote:[/b]

I think he would have done something, musically, although who knows what? I like to think that he would have, primarily, drunk a lot of fine champagne, eaten a lot of fine food with the finest people he knew, continued to buy beautiful artwork... he may have opened a museum or staged a rock ballet, or built an ice palace in the arctic. Who knows? Whatever he did, it would probably have been a lot of fun. That's what I like to think, anyway. Or, he could have spent the rest of his life on a sofa watching, 'Coronation Street' while trawling internet forums, had a hair transplant, had his teeth 'fixed' and become unrecognisable, opened a horrible vintage clothing store and become an old 'crazy cat man', covered in fur balls and smelling of frisky-bits... I mean, he was unpredictable by all accounts. I just hope he wouldn't have been a 'pop-idol' judge at any point. However, he might have got a kick out of 'Strictly come dancing'![/QUOTE]

I like this post!

So you're suggesting he'd disappear then come out of retirement scary like Kim Novak? Lol. Hair plugs and all.

Who knows? Maybe there would be some changes but I think it´s a possibility. Age isn´t a huge obstacle any more. Brian and Roger have both very physical performances and they are touring right know. Plus, the old guys from Bachman Turner Overdrive were rocking out last year and Aerosmith are more active now than they were at early 2000´s...and they are all about the same age.

It is all hypothetical but you guys are talking as if Freddie was another Grace Slick. Freddie was everything opposite of a Grace Slick. Of course he would still be playing with Queen and being involved with music. It may not be quite the same as it was in 86 but he would be out there.

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[QUOTE] [b]luthorn wrote:[/b]

Freddie was an artist and a performer, he knew that the only way to achieve immortality is to go out in style. That he did. He went out the Shakespearian way. the rest is history. Freddie would rather burn out than fade away... so no, he would not perform becuase tragic death was the only way to achieve immortality[/QUOTE]

Do you suggest it was subconscious suicide?

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I think he knew exactly what he was doing and where it will lead to. Especially, after he was quoted saying 'i will do everything with everyone' you get a glimpse of his mental process. he sought out meximum exposure to risk, while being fully aware of consequences.

[QUOTE] [b]matt z wrote:[/b]
So you're suggesting he'd disappear then come out of retirement scary like Kim Novak? Lol. Hair plugs and all. [/QUOTE]

Kim Novak! Lol - yes, scary, but not as scary as Tony Curtis in the interview on the 'Some Like it Hot' anniversary edition!

But with Freddie... I just can't see him doing a Mick Jagger at 65. I really can't.

[QUOTE] [b]luthorn wrote:[/b]

[QUOTE] [b]Stelios wrote:[/b]

[QUOTE] [b]luthorn wrote:[/b]

Freddie was an artist and a performer, he knew that the only way to achieve immortality is to go out in style. That he did. He went out the Shakespearian way. the rest is history. Freddie would rather burn out than fade away... so no, he would not perform becuase tragic death was the only way to achieve immortality[/QUOTE]

Do you suggest it was subconscious suicide?

[/QUOTE]

I think he knew exactly what he was doing and where it will lead to. Especially, after he was quoted saying 'i will do everything with everyone' you get a glimpse of his mental process. he sought out meximum exposure to risk, while being fully aware of consequences. [/QUOTE]

"i will do everything with everyone'" was told inside of a club in the frenzy of music, dancing and flirting with Freddie probably high on something.
Also partly he knew it was maybe already late so it was convinient to blast some over the top statement the way he was accustomed to.Pretending some " russian roulette" type of guy.

On one level i am the first to admit he wasn't playing safe.

On the other hand the disease caught him off guard like the millions it did. You didn't have to be promiscuous to caught .Just to be a gay adult (equals sexualy active) and happen to live in the wrong place( N.Y etc) the wrong time(late 70's onwards).

[QUOTE] [b]luthorn wrote:[/b]

[QUOTE] [b]Stelios wrote:[/b]

[QUOTE] [b]luthorn wrote:[/b]

Freddie was an artist and a performer, he knew that the only way to achieve immortality is to go out in style. That he did. He went out the Shakespearian way. the rest is history. Freddie would rather burn out than fade away... so no, he would not perform becuase tragic death was the only way to achieve immortality[/QUOTE]

Do you suggest it was subconscious suicide?

[/QUOTE]

I think he knew exactly what he was doing and where it will lead to. Especially, after he was quoted saying 'i will do everything with everyone' you get a glimpse of his mental process. he sought out meximum exposure to risk, while being fully aware of consequences. [/QUOTE]

"i will do everything with everyone'" was told inside of a club in the frenzy of music, dancing and flirting with Freddie probably high on something.
Also partly he knew it was maybe already late so it was convinient to blast some over the top statement the way he was accustomed to.Pretending some " russian roulette" type of guy.

On one level i am the first to admit he wasn't playing safe.

On the other hand the disease caught him off guard like the millions it did. You didn't have to be promiscuous to get HIV .Just to be a gay adult (equals sexualy active) and happen to live in the wrong place( N.Y etc) the wrong time(late 70's onwards).

Don't forget that back in the 80's the idea of an aging rock star seemed laughable. The Stones helped to change that. Freddie would have seen this and there would have been sporadic tours.
When I read that had Freddie hung on for another year that he could have been saved makes me wonder in my mind what could have been

[QUOTE] [b]luthorn wrote:[/b]

[QUOTE] [b]Stelios wrote:[/b]

[QUOTE] [b]luthorn wrote:[/b]

Freddie was an artist and a performer, he knew that the only way to achieve immortality is to go out in style. That he did. He went out the Shakespearian way. the rest is history. Freddie would rather burn out than fade away... so no, he would not perform becuase tragic death was the only way to achieve immortality[/QUOTE]

Do you suggest it was subconscious suicide?

[/QUOTE]

I think he knew exactly what he was doing and where it will lead to. Especially, after he was quoted saying 'i will do everything with everyone' you get a glimpse of his mental process. he sought out meximum exposure to risk, while being fully aware of consequences. [/QUOTE]


He couldn't have thought that much of Jim then.
"Here dear, have yourself some AIDS!"

Nah, I think what you've quoted was most likely said in the way Stelios mentioned.

You could argue that Freddie was irresponsible, sure, but by saying he knew exactly what he was doing, you'd also be saying he knew he was infecting others and he was perfectly okay with that.

I just don't think so.

[QUOTE] [b]luthorn wrote:[/b]
I think he knew exactly what he was doing and where it will lead to. Especially, after he was quoted saying 'i will do everything with everyone' you get a glimpse of his mental process. he sought out meximum exposure to risk, while being fully aware of consequences. [/QUOTE]

I've been 'lurking' on this forum for a while and have seen a few threads about Freddie and HIV... and I have to say, looking back at the way people behaved in the late 70s and early/early-to-mid 80s in relation to the HIV virus, with today's knowledge, is meaningless. Someone saying that in the early 80s is completely different to if they said it now, or even in the late 80s.

It's like saying people who worked in asbestos factories before asbestosis and its causes became known to the public had latent death wishes, or that... oh, I can't be bothered thinking of other examples.

Ive read somewhere that Freddie would laugh when he saw the likes of the Stones and The Who going out on tour at their advanced ages,and he thought that once you start receiving the "dinosaur awards",as he called them, it was time to pack it in. I think it might have been Peter Freestone who said that.
But Freddie loved the adulation,so he may have found it difficult to stop touring himself,had things turned out differentely.

[QUOTE] [b]the dude 1366 wrote:[/b]

When I read that had Freddie hung on for another year that he could have been saved makes me wonder in my mind what could have been[/QUOTE]

That maybe could have saved his life but he wouldn`t be a healthy and fit man.

[QUOTE] [b]the dude 1366 wrote:[/b]

Don't forget that back in the 80's the idea of an aging rock star seemed laughable. The Stones helped to change that. Freddie would have seen this and there would have been sporadic tours.
When I read that had Freddie hung on for another year that he could have been saved makes me wonder in my mind what could have been[/QUOTE]

No. I read that statement by Brian May. I don't feel it is medically backed up. People are still alive today who were declared full blown AIDS in the mid 80's, and so had begun AIDS treatment at the time of their diagnosis. Hard to know why some survived and some didn't. I wonder about viral count which was no doubt high in Freddie.