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I want to include Made In Heaven as well. One of the most sold Queen albums in history. Heaven for Everyone got decent airplay and a 2nd spot on the UK charts?
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Stelios
Heaven for Everyone, You Dont Fool Me and solo stuff like Living on My Own 1993 remix, Too Much Love will kill You (B.May version) and Driven by You are associated with the 90's.
Made in Heaven (the album) is 90's but in an almost "transparent" kind of way.
I have a feeling that the Death of Kurt Cobain just one year before and its huge impact in youth/rock culture somehow effects Made in Heaven. I am not sure in which way but the context of the times was very strong at least in the music world.
Innunedo (and the hits from the album) is like inside a time capsule of their own. They breath in a Queen/Mercury parallel time.
This is the feeling i get.
Does it make any sense?
Made in Heaven (the album) is 90's but in an almost "transparent" kind of way.
I have a feeling that the Death of Kurt Cobain just one year before and its huge impact in youth/rock culture somehow effects Made in Heaven. I am not sure in which way but the context of the times was very strong at least in the music world.
Innunedo (and the hits from the album) is like inside a time capsule of their own. They breath in a Queen/Mercury parallel time.
This is the feeling i get.
Does it make any sense?
andyb1968
I remember the Brit Awards, the year after Made In Heaven came out, and been a massive world wide smash, but Queen did not get one single nomination ! That really pissed me off, still does actually !!!
brENsKi
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brENsKi
ok, and as you've quoted albums now, perhaps this might interest you....
title:-peak:-weeks on chart:
innuendo-1-37
made in heaven-1-28
but how about this; - the two albums that get slagged off most around here:
AKOM-1-62
works-2-93
and how about some other bands
led zep I-6-79
led zep II-1-138
led zep IV-1-58
elton j - goodbye.-1-84
elton j - too low -7-73
purple - in rock-4-68
b adams - reckless-7-115
meatloaf - BOOH-9-395
f/mac - rumours-1-402
floyd - DSOTM-2-292
i suppose the point i'm making is about what we think was happening as opposed to what was actually happening...Innuendo @ 3/4 of a year and 5 hit singles , must (by default) mean the title track wasn't around as constantly as you care to remember it...and MIH - at 1/2 a year must've barely been about....esp when you compare it to some of the "lesser" hit albums in my third list.
when you compare it to the more well-known albums of 94-96, it actually puts things into context (and let's not divert this into a discussion on taste and quality)
oasis - wtsmg -1-145
manics - everything-2-81
blur parklife-1-106
title:-peak:-weeks on chart:
innuendo-1-37
made in heaven-1-28
but how about this; - the two albums that get slagged off most around here:
AKOM-1-62
works-2-93
and how about some other bands
led zep I-6-79
led zep II-1-138
led zep IV-1-58
elton j - goodbye.-1-84
elton j - too low -7-73
purple - in rock-4-68
b adams - reckless-7-115
meatloaf - BOOH-9-395
f/mac - rumours-1-402
floyd - DSOTM-2-292
i suppose the point i'm making is about what we think was happening as opposed to what was actually happening...Innuendo @ 3/4 of a year and 5 hit singles , must (by default) mean the title track wasn't around as constantly as you care to remember it...and MIH - at 1/2 a year must've barely been about....esp when you compare it to some of the "lesser" hit albums in my third list.
when you compare it to the more well-known albums of 94-96, it actually puts things into context (and let's not divert this into a discussion on taste and quality)
oasis - wtsmg -1-145
manics - everything-2-81
blur parklife-1-106
k-m
[QUOTE] [b]Stelios wrote:[/b]
Heaven for Everyone, You Dont Fool Me and solo stuff like Living on My Own 1993 remix, Too Much Love will kill You (B.May version) and Driven by You are associated with the 90's.
Made in Heaven (the album) is 90's but in an almost "transparent" kind of way.
I have a feeling that the Death of Kurt Cobain just one year before and its huge impact in youth/rock culture somehow effects Made in Heaven. I am not sure in which way but the context of the times was very strong at least in the music world.
Innunedo (and the hits from the album) is like inside a time capsule of their own. They breath in a Queen/Mercury parallel time.
This is the feeling i get.
Does it make any sense?[/QUOTE]
The first paragraph makes some sense (i.e. it's true facts), esp. with regards to Living On My Own remix, as it has a certain 90s feel. Not sure about the rest though ;-) No offence, but I don't think Kurt's death had anything to do with MIH's perception and success. If anything influenced it, it was the Beatles' Anthology and "new Lennon tracks" on which Paul & Co did similar work as Bri & Co with Freddie's vocals on MIH.
Heaven for Everyone, You Dont Fool Me and solo stuff like Living on My Own 1993 remix, Too Much Love will kill You (B.May version) and Driven by You are associated with the 90's.
Made in Heaven (the album) is 90's but in an almost "transparent" kind of way.
I have a feeling that the Death of Kurt Cobain just one year before and its huge impact in youth/rock culture somehow effects Made in Heaven. I am not sure in which way but the context of the times was very strong at least in the music world.
Innunedo (and the hits from the album) is like inside a time capsule of their own. They breath in a Queen/Mercury parallel time.
This is the feeling i get.
Does it make any sense?[/QUOTE]
The first paragraph makes some sense (i.e. it's true facts), esp. with regards to Living On My Own remix, as it has a certain 90s feel. Not sure about the rest though ;-) No offence, but I don't think Kurt's death had anything to do with MIH's perception and success. If anything influenced it, it was the Beatles' Anthology and "new Lennon tracks" on which Paul & Co did similar work as Bri & Co with Freddie's vocals on MIH.
tero! 48531
There was a brief period between 1995/1996 when Queen was one of the bands which were featured quite a lot on the European MTV.
Heaven For Everyone, Let Me Live, and You Don't Fool Me were all pretty big hits on the European chart, and it wasn't uncommon to see a Queen video every day.
Of course the other videos hardly ever appeared on television and the overall success was over in about six months, so you can hardly call them a significant 90's band.
Heaven For Everyone, Let Me Live, and You Don't Fool Me were all pretty big hits on the European chart, and it wasn't uncommon to see a Queen video every day.
Of course the other videos hardly ever appeared on television and the overall success was over in about six months, so you can hardly call them a significant 90's band.
Stelios
k-m
I agree about the Beatle's Anthology. I was having that in mind too.
Perhaps you are right about Cobain.
But what i mean about his death is the wave it created or helped create. I think it was in those years that music in relation with youth and/or general culture plus The Music Industry, all started changing drastically.MIH was a thing from the past in some sense.
I think cutting edge artists like Queen if all alive and creative during 92-95 would have made a much more in-tune album with what was going on in mid 90's. So today it would have more of the 90's stamp on it, therefore Queen more of a 90's band to return to the OP question.
....Or perhaps they would go out and do their own thing whatsoever, not giving a shit about "the times" so i am just fooling my shelf.
I agree about the Beatle's Anthology. I was having that in mind too.
Perhaps you are right about Cobain.
But what i mean about his death is the wave it created or helped create. I think it was in those years that music in relation with youth and/or general culture plus The Music Industry, all started changing drastically.MIH was a thing from the past in some sense.
I think cutting edge artists like Queen if all alive and creative during 92-95 would have made a much more in-tune album with what was going on in mid 90's. So today it would have more of the 90's stamp on it, therefore Queen more of a 90's band to return to the OP question.
....Or perhaps they would go out and do their own thing whatsoever, not giving a shit about "the times" so i am just fooling my shelf.
Stelios
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fras444
It is real cool to see this as an interesting topic going into other subjects.... Has anyone seen Queen on 90's themes today in your respective countries?
Queen in the 90's is an interesting subject. A decade where there was a lot of one hit wonders that got recognized and bands like you guys have mentioned, that were deeply influenced by Queen... too the extend where Freddie was mentioned in the suicide note.. (haha maybe Curt should have listen to Freddies "Don't Try Suicide!!") Queen a band with an endless arsenal of hits, that entered the 90s with not only an album full of hits but another album made up of some amazing bits and pieces to fill the three songs that Freddie sang in his last few months and for it to become a major success, yet Queen rarely gets a mention in today's "90's" theme's well here in NZ anyway, something I feel that they should be given more credit for! esp on a rock radio station that plays a lot of Queen.. As most of you agree Queen is A 90's band!! But just how heavy was the impact of Innuendo before it was known to the world what Freddie was really singing about and afterwards and the release of MIH and only the good die young.. I guess more airtime in USA a market they lost after the "drag" episode! What would have happened if The Miracle had the same issues Queen II had and was pushed out by a year..? Or put it this way if Freddies Diagnostic was pushed out a year... Three possibly four Queen albums in the 90's..?
Or... If Freddie was terminally ill with something else, released the miracle and innuendo (if it wasn't for his illness a lot of those miracle/Innuendo songs would not have been) and like some rare terminally ill cancer patients out there and made a complete "miracle" recovery....?
Queen in the 90's is an interesting subject. A decade where there was a lot of one hit wonders that got recognized and bands like you guys have mentioned, that were deeply influenced by Queen... too the extend where Freddie was mentioned in the suicide note.. (haha maybe Curt should have listen to Freddies "Don't Try Suicide!!") Queen a band with an endless arsenal of hits, that entered the 90s with not only an album full of hits but another album made up of some amazing bits and pieces to fill the three songs that Freddie sang in his last few months and for it to become a major success, yet Queen rarely gets a mention in today's "90's" theme's well here in NZ anyway, something I feel that they should be given more credit for! esp on a rock radio station that plays a lot of Queen.. As most of you agree Queen is A 90's band!! But just how heavy was the impact of Innuendo before it was known to the world what Freddie was really singing about and afterwards and the release of MIH and only the good die young.. I guess more airtime in USA a market they lost after the "drag" episode! What would have happened if The Miracle had the same issues Queen II had and was pushed out by a year..? Or put it this way if Freddies Diagnostic was pushed out a year... Three possibly four Queen albums in the 90's..?
Or... If Freddie was terminally ill with something else, released the miracle and innuendo (if it wasn't for his illness a lot of those miracle/Innuendo songs would not have been) and like some rare terminally ill cancer patients out there and made a complete "miracle" recovery....?
fras444
If you watch the GH2 video with Brian and Rogers commentary on, there is a real interesting quote that Brian mentions when I Want it All comes on... it has a real hint of both excitement and sadness... (a lot like watching a sad movie or a football replay.. you watch it again hoping that the outcome will change...) " I love this video of this song.. Back then we know what Freddie was going through there might have been still hope or more time with him and this video was an exciting look into what we could have done.. this video for this song had a stripped down raw,live, just the four of us approach to recording a video and something we really wanted to explore into, more in depth" Not quite quote for quote but very close
This I find very interesting and which goes along with that thread about where Queen would have gone if Freddie hadn't of passed on...
Queen doing what they do best. Shapeshift themselves to suite the current time, change their approach to their music.. Just like how they got through the "Punk" era on top when a lot of bands struggled such as Led Zep and Black Sabbath, and the pop rock 80s and Queen would have adapted and kept in pace with the head of the pack.. "the next generation... the 90's."
I Want it All was a very striped down song almost the closest you could get to a Queen unplugged song with a video to match.. It was almost like a Nirvana/foo fighters/Soundgarden approach to their music videos.. very stripped down and with a live or studio look... It would have suited a older mid 40's Queen so perfectly, Freddie I feel would have given the 90s a very raw and powerful almost grunge approach I reckon, he would have been just like on that video, less running around on stage and with a more wise presences and preciseness (like what an older football player does when the slowness catches up they become wise with their positioning) and with brute power to match and make up for it.. I definitely feel Queen would have given another approach to that Grunge/alt rock era of the 90s and would have been with the leading pack, But definitely would have been their last decade the 90s if Freddie hadn't got Aids and John would have stuck around you just gotta look at how much John was making a presence in songwriting with three credited tracks in A Kinda Magic and even three or four.. possibly credited songs he had in Miracle..
Queen and the 90's could have been a awesome period, a very wise,stripped down and mature Queen!!!
This I find very interesting and which goes along with that thread about where Queen would have gone if Freddie hadn't of passed on...
Queen doing what they do best. Shapeshift themselves to suite the current time, change their approach to their music.. Just like how they got through the "Punk" era on top when a lot of bands struggled such as Led Zep and Black Sabbath, and the pop rock 80s and Queen would have adapted and kept in pace with the head of the pack.. "the next generation... the 90's."
I Want it All was a very striped down song almost the closest you could get to a Queen unplugged song with a video to match.. It was almost like a Nirvana/foo fighters/Soundgarden approach to their music videos.. very stripped down and with a live or studio look... It would have suited a older mid 40's Queen so perfectly, Freddie I feel would have given the 90s a very raw and powerful almost grunge approach I reckon, he would have been just like on that video, less running around on stage and with a more wise presences and preciseness (like what an older football player does when the slowness catches up they become wise with their positioning) and with brute power to match and make up for it.. I definitely feel Queen would have given another approach to that Grunge/alt rock era of the 90s and would have been with the leading pack, But definitely would have been their last decade the 90s if Freddie hadn't got Aids and John would have stuck around you just gotta look at how much John was making a presence in songwriting with three credited tracks in A Kinda Magic and even three or four.. possibly credited songs he had in Miracle..
Queen and the 90's could have been a awesome period, a very wise,stripped down and mature Queen!!!
fras444
If you watch the GH2 video with Brian and Rogers commentary on, there is a real interesting quote that Brian mentions when I Want it All comes on... it has a real hint of both excitement and sadness... (a lot like watching a sad movie or a football replay.. you watch it again hoping that the outcome will change...) " I love this video of this song.. Back then we know what Freddie was going through there might have been still hope or more time with him and this video was an exciting look into what we could have done.. this video for this song had a stripped down raw,live, just the four of us approach to recording a video and something we really wanted to explore into, more in depth" Not quite quote for quote but very close
This I find very interesting and which goes along with that thread about where Queen would have gone if Freddie hadn't of passed on...
Queen doing what they do best. Shapeshift themselves to suite the current time, change their approach to their music.. Just like how they got through the "Punk" era on top when a lot of bands struggled such as Led Zep and Black Sabbath, and the pop rock 80s and Queen would have adapted and kept in pace with the head of the pack.. "the next generation... the 90's."
I Want it All was a very striped down song almost the closest you could get to a Queen unplugged song with a video to match.. It was almost like a Nirvana/foo fighters/Soundgarden approach to their music videos.. very stripped down and with a live or studio look... It would have suited a older mid 40's Queen so perfectly, Freddie I feel would have given the 90s a very raw and powerful almost grunge approach I reckon, he would have been just like on that video, less running around on stage and with a more wise presences and preciseness (like what an older football player does when the slowness catches up they become wise with their positioning) and with brute power to match and make up for it.. I definitely feel Queen would have given another approach to that Grunge/alt rock era of the 90s and would have been with the leading pack, But definitely would have been their last decade the 90s if Freddie hadn't got Aids and John would have stuck around you just gotta look at how much John was making a presence in songwriting with three credited tracks in A Kinda Magic and even three or four.. possibly credited songs he had in Miracle..
Queen and the 90's could have been a awesome period, a very wise,stripped down and mature Queen!!!
This I find very interesting and which goes along with that thread about where Queen would have gone if Freddie hadn't of passed on...
Queen doing what they do best. Shapeshift themselves to suite the current time, change their approach to their music.. Just like how they got through the "Punk" era on top when a lot of bands struggled such as Led Zep and Black Sabbath, and the pop rock 80s and Queen would have adapted and kept in pace with the head of the pack.. "the next generation... the 90's."
I Want it All was a very striped down song almost the closest you could get to a Queen unplugged song with a video to match.. It was almost like a Nirvana/foo fighters/Soundgarden approach to their music videos.. very stripped down and with a live or studio look... It would have suited a older mid 40's Queen so perfectly, Freddie I feel would have given the 90s a very raw and powerful almost grunge approach I reckon, he would have been just like on that video, less running around on stage and with a more wise presences and preciseness (like what an older football player does when the slowness catches up they become wise with their positioning) and with brute power to match and make up for it.. I definitely feel Queen would have given another approach to that Grunge/alt rock era of the 90s and would have been with the leading pack, But definitely would have been their last decade the 90s if Freddie hadn't got Aids and John would have stuck around you just gotta look at how much John was making a presence in songwriting with three credited tracks in A Kinda Magic and even three or four.. possibly credited songs he had in Miracle..
Queen and the 90's could have been a awesome period, a very wise,stripped down and mature Queen!!!
fras444
Hey one Question...
Do you guys feel that The Game and The Miracle share something similar something like as in a parallel universe. Both "80's" albums but both released in in the midst of a changing decade both could have been either or.... What I mean by that.
The Game is essentially an album made in 79 from what I have read that got polished up in 1980, songs that were really made for the 70s with more of a 70's sound than a 80s sound to it... If it weren't for Queen focusing on the Live Killers it could have easily been their last album of that decade. An album with many great hits of which feels like to me got lost in the Pop rock songs from Queens Hot Space,The Works and A Kinda Magic and the same with The Miracle... The Miracle album, full of hits could have easily been a 90's album a album released in the last year of the 80s and once again got lost in Queens 80's pop rock peak albums (Hot Space inrg to Under Pressure!!!) Once again songs from these wonderful Queen albums "apart from ANBTD" never really get any register in themes from the 80's video's on tv or radio station's doing 80's themes... Two great 80s Queen albums I feel, that have seem to have got lost in the midst of the turn of their respective decade.
The Miracle album to me I must add... is very strange album for me.... Its full of great songs but for some reason I can only listen to it for one maybe two full rotations before I get bored real quick from it.... I don't know why... I know A Kinda Magic is the height of "plastic" music for Queen but for me The Miracle feels more so.. Do any of you get the same..? when listening to The Miracle? I could listen to any Queen album multiple of times esp Queen II and even Hot Space but not The Miracle... Weird..
Do you guys feel that The Game and The Miracle share something similar something like as in a parallel universe. Both "80's" albums but both released in in the midst of a changing decade both could have been either or.... What I mean by that.
The Game is essentially an album made in 79 from what I have read that got polished up in 1980, songs that were really made for the 70s with more of a 70's sound than a 80s sound to it... If it weren't for Queen focusing on the Live Killers it could have easily been their last album of that decade. An album with many great hits of which feels like to me got lost in the Pop rock songs from Queens Hot Space,The Works and A Kinda Magic and the same with The Miracle... The Miracle album, full of hits could have easily been a 90's album a album released in the last year of the 80s and once again got lost in Queens 80's pop rock peak albums (Hot Space inrg to Under Pressure!!!) Once again songs from these wonderful Queen albums "apart from ANBTD" never really get any register in themes from the 80's video's on tv or radio station's doing 80's themes... Two great 80s Queen albums I feel, that have seem to have got lost in the midst of the turn of their respective decade.
The Miracle album to me I must add... is very strange album for me.... Its full of great songs but for some reason I can only listen to it for one maybe two full rotations before I get bored real quick from it.... I don't know why... I know A Kinda Magic is the height of "plastic" music for Queen but for me The Miracle feels more so.. Do any of you get the same..? when listening to The Miracle? I could listen to any Queen album multiple of times esp Queen II and even Hot Space but not The Miracle... Weird..
Stelios
[QUOTE] [b]fras444 wrote:[/b]
(haha maybe Curt should have listen to Freddies "Don't Try Suicide!!") ... yet Queen rarely gets a mention in today's "90's" theme's
[/QUOTE]
I bet Kurt have listened to "Don't Try Suicide!!", However his pain,demons, and personal anguish was far beyond "nobody's worth it, nobody cares". I know you are joking, however not sure if this is a matter that can me taken lighlty.Kurt's story is a story of man in a hell of lot of pain.
About Queen rarely gets a mention in today's "90's" theme's, its becouse everything they did post Miracle associates with theme's of Freedie,his courage,HIV and his death. From Nirvana's Smells Like A Teen Spirit to 2Unlimited's NO LIMIT (and all the stuff in between) you get an instant 90's vibe. Not the case with Queen. Perhaps You Dont Fool Me, escapes that root.
(haha maybe Curt should have listen to Freddies "Don't Try Suicide!!") ... yet Queen rarely gets a mention in today's "90's" theme's
[/QUOTE]
I bet Kurt have listened to "Don't Try Suicide!!", However his pain,demons, and personal anguish was far beyond "nobody's worth it, nobody cares". I know you are joking, however not sure if this is a matter that can me taken lighlty.Kurt's story is a story of man in a hell of lot of pain.
About Queen rarely gets a mention in today's "90's" theme's, its becouse everything they did post Miracle associates with theme's of Freedie,his courage,HIV and his death. From Nirvana's Smells Like A Teen Spirit to 2Unlimited's NO LIMIT (and all the stuff in between) you get an instant 90's vibe. Not the case with Queen. Perhaps You Dont Fool Me, escapes that root.
Stelios
[QUOTE] [b]fras444 wrote:[/b]
I could listen to any Queen album multiple of times esp Queen II and even Hot Space but not The Miracle... Weird..
[/QUOTE]
Perhaps its because it constantly changes moods, genres, themes, attitude.
For me is the less "themed" album of Queen.
Thank god for the collision of faces in the cover. It provided somekind of refernece point since it's associated with writing credits all going after the Queen unit.
I could listen to any Queen album multiple of times esp Queen II and even Hot Space but not The Miracle... Weird..
[/QUOTE]
Perhaps its because it constantly changes moods, genres, themes, attitude.
For me is the less "themed" album of Queen.
Thank god for the collision of faces in the cover. It provided somekind of refernece point since it's associated with writing credits all going after the Queen unit.