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I was not denying their influence just pointing out the fact they are put on such a high pedestal compared to other bands
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Self Made Man
It's really not fair calling Queen the best band ever, cause there's so much great ones around, and they're all so different. Actually it's not fair to call any band/artist the best ever. I'd rather say there are some levels of quality (of artistry maybe?), which musicians can reach, and Queen is high as hell, but they're not alone tho. The influence they had to the industry and etc. is another thing, cause Michael Jackson for example is probably one of the most important people in music, he reinvented music videos (he called them short films btw), opened gates for black musicians on MTV, released the best selling album ever, created the most expensive short film ever, sold out 5 Wembleys in row during his first solo tour and everything, but does it mean rest of the artists are shit? Hell no!
Sorry if I screwed up something, english is my second language, and it was whole lots of text to write for me :D.
Sorry if I screwed up something, english is my second language, and it was whole lots of text to write for me :D.
Bo Alex
[QUOTE] [b]The Real Wizard wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]Bo Alex wrote:[/b]
The Who is a very overrated band. Not in the same league as the big 5 from the UK: Beatles, Stones, Zeppelin, Floyd and Queen. [/QUOTE]
Then make it a top six.
The Who were extremely innovative as a live band in the 60s. Watch the Smothers Brothers footage. They wrote the fu&king book.
Tommy, Who's Next and Quadrophenia are easily more beloved and influential than any three Queen studio albums.
We all love Queen here, but we need to take our blinders off and see the bigger picture.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, probably you're right. I'm from Argentina. Here The Who aren't a real big deal. That fact changes for sure in the UK and maybe in the States. I always considered them in a second lot of big bands, with acts like Black Sabbath, Deep Purple, The Doors and AC DC, among others. That's the impression I've got from my country and being a Queen fan since my childhood.
If you ask me, it would be:
1-Queen
2-Zeppelin
3-Beatles
4- Pink Floyd
I really don't like the Stones much, but I recognized the place they earned in rock music history.
By the way, Muse are really great, I love them and I've seen them live many times. But I think they "sold out" in the past two albums while they gained a lot of popularity.
Radiohead are also a great "modern era" rock band. Oasis is a huge seller but a big meh artistically.
[QUOTE] [b]Bo Alex wrote:[/b]
The Who is a very overrated band. Not in the same league as the big 5 from the UK: Beatles, Stones, Zeppelin, Floyd and Queen. [/QUOTE]
Then make it a top six.
The Who were extremely innovative as a live band in the 60s. Watch the Smothers Brothers footage. They wrote the fu&king book.
Tommy, Who's Next and Quadrophenia are easily more beloved and influential than any three Queen studio albums.
We all love Queen here, but we need to take our blinders off and see the bigger picture.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, probably you're right. I'm from Argentina. Here The Who aren't a real big deal. That fact changes for sure in the UK and maybe in the States. I always considered them in a second lot of big bands, with acts like Black Sabbath, Deep Purple, The Doors and AC DC, among others. That's the impression I've got from my country and being a Queen fan since my childhood.
If you ask me, it would be:
1-Queen
2-Zeppelin
3-Beatles
4- Pink Floyd
I really don't like the Stones much, but I recognized the place they earned in rock music history.
By the way, Muse are really great, I love them and I've seen them live many times. But I think they "sold out" in the past two albums while they gained a lot of popularity.
Radiohead are also a great "modern era" rock band. Oasis is a huge seller but a big meh artistically.
winterspelt
I wont say Beatles suck but to me things are very much this:
Sir George Martin > Beatles
Sir George Martin > Beatles
jondickens1
Has anyone mentioned The Rolling Stones? Arguably bigger than The Beatles I'd say due to 1) The longevity and 2) Their live performances. And it's the live stage act which will be for me Queen's reason for being top of the pile here. It's not all about album sales worldwide.
FlorianS
Is there any other band on this planet mich does actually CLAIM their place in rock history as much as Queen do?
I have the impression that they are not getting tired of telling us, that they invented music video, did Bohemian
Rhapsody,. played behind the iron curtain, stole the show
at Live Aid, headlined Rock in Rio, conquered South America etc etc,
Is there any other band around which insists on their place in rock history that much?
I have the impression that they are not getting tired of telling us, that they invented music video, did Bohemian
Rhapsody,. played behind the iron curtain, stole the show
at Live Aid, headlined Rock in Rio, conquered South America etc etc,
Is there any other band around which insists on their place in rock history that much?
brENsKi
[QUOTE]
[b][/b] [/QUOTE] [QUOTE] [b]Jefffabiano wrote:[/b] but all their songs sound the same to me[/QUOTE] [b]then i'll say to you what i say to others that utter such unimittigated shite....go away and have a proper listen to Rubber Soul, Revolver, Abbey Road & Sgt Pepper[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]Jefffabiano wrote:[/b] and just because I dont like the Beatles does not mean Im an idiot [/QUOTE]
[b]it does when you make statements like this:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]Jefffabiano wrote:[/b][i]The beatles are overrated more then any band in history all their songs suck [/i] [/QUOTE]
[b][/b] [/QUOTE] [QUOTE] [b]Jefffabiano wrote:[/b] but all their songs sound the same to me[/QUOTE] [b]then i'll say to you what i say to others that utter such unimittigated shite....go away and have a proper listen to Rubber Soul, Revolver, Abbey Road & Sgt Pepper[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]Jefffabiano wrote:[/b] and just because I dont like the Beatles does not mean Im an idiot [/QUOTE]
[b]it does when you make statements like this:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]Jefffabiano wrote:[/b][i]The beatles are overrated more then any band in history all their songs suck [/i] [/QUOTE]
ANAGRAMER
[QUOTE] [b]The Real Wizard wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]mooghead wrote:[/b]
"The Who, Pink Floyd, Led Zepellin, Rolling Stones, MUSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
I am actually laughing out loud on my own in my flat like a lunatic![/QUOTE]
Really?
Muse are the only British band to have consistent success in the US in the last 20 years.
And they can sell out Wembley on multiple nights.
The way Queen were incorporating other styles of music into what they were doing in the 70s is exactly what Muse are doing right now. They are excellent players and composers, relevant, and commercially successful. I can't name a single rock band from the last two decades who have achieved what they have achieved. Can you?
Indeed, this may not put them in the same league as Zeppelin or The Who - but they're the only British band in the last couple decades who have come remotely close.
Sorry for hijacking the thread.[/QUOTE]
You forgot about Coldplay...
[QUOTE] [b]mooghead wrote:[/b]
"The Who, Pink Floyd, Led Zepellin, Rolling Stones, MUSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
I am actually laughing out loud on my own in my flat like a lunatic![/QUOTE]
Really?
Muse are the only British band to have consistent success in the US in the last 20 years.
And they can sell out Wembley on multiple nights.
The way Queen were incorporating other styles of music into what they were doing in the 70s is exactly what Muse are doing right now. They are excellent players and composers, relevant, and commercially successful. I can't name a single rock band from the last two decades who have achieved what they have achieved. Can you?
Indeed, this may not put them in the same league as Zeppelin or The Who - but they're the only British band in the last couple decades who have come remotely close.
Sorry for hijacking the thread.[/QUOTE]
You forgot about Coldplay...
Chief Mouse
[QUOTE]
[b]ANAGRAMER wrote: [/b] [QUOTE] [b]The Real Wizard wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]mooghead wrote:[/b]
"The Who, Pink Floyd, Led Zepellin, Rolling Stones, MUSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
I am actually laughing out loud on my own in my flat like a lunatic![/QUOTE]
Really?
Muse are the only British band to have consistent success in the US in the last 20 years.
And they can sell out Wembley on multiple nights.
The way Queen were incorporating other styles of music into what they were doing in the 70s is exactly what Muse are doing right now. They are excellent players and composers, relevant, and commercially successful. I can't name a single rock band from the last two decades who have achieved what they have achieved. Can you?
Indeed, this may not put them in the same league as Zeppelin or The Who - but they're the only British band in the last couple decades who have come remotely close.
Sorry for hijacking the thread.[/QUOTE]
You forgot about Coldplay...
[/QUOTE]
They are not really a rock band, are they?
[b]ANAGRAMER wrote: [/b] [QUOTE] [b]The Real Wizard wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]mooghead wrote:[/b]
"The Who, Pink Floyd, Led Zepellin, Rolling Stones, MUSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
I am actually laughing out loud on my own in my flat like a lunatic![/QUOTE]
Really?
Muse are the only British band to have consistent success in the US in the last 20 years.
And they can sell out Wembley on multiple nights.
The way Queen were incorporating other styles of music into what they were doing in the 70s is exactly what Muse are doing right now. They are excellent players and composers, relevant, and commercially successful. I can't name a single rock band from the last two decades who have achieved what they have achieved. Can you?
Indeed, this may not put them in the same league as Zeppelin or The Who - but they're the only British band in the last couple decades who have come remotely close.
Sorry for hijacking the thread.[/QUOTE]
You forgot about Coldplay...
[/QUOTE]
They are not really a rock band, are they?
Rho-d Berth
I think that the Stones and the Beatles are the most famour, biggest bands ever.
Though Queen seems to last longer, still I regularly hear Queen music on the radio. I hardly hear Beatles or Stones.
And I think that "We are the Champions", "We will rock you" and "Bohemian Rhapsody" are the most famous songs in their own worldwide.
I doubt there are many (non traditional) songs that may be as famous like those songs.
So maybe Queen as a band / trademark / power generating machine / hit machine may not be on the same level as Beatles / Stones.
The artistic product of Queen however is afaics larger then what the Stones/Beatles produced.
Though Queen seems to last longer, still I regularly hear Queen music on the radio. I hardly hear Beatles or Stones.
And I think that "We are the Champions", "We will rock you" and "Bohemian Rhapsody" are the most famous songs in their own worldwide.
I doubt there are many (non traditional) songs that may be as famous like those songs.
So maybe Queen as a band / trademark / power generating machine / hit machine may not be on the same level as Beatles / Stones.
The artistic product of Queen however is afaics larger then what the Stones/Beatles produced.
McFluid
^
Nirvana.
Nirvana.
brENsKi
[QUOTE] [b]Rho-d Berth wrote:[/b]The artistic product of Queen however is afaics larger then what the Stones/Beatles produced.[/QUOTE]
i think that the fact that queen's only huge-selling Uk album is their greatest hits - shows a certain narrowness/smallness in their artistic product - afa the general music buyer is concernd.
the beatles best selling (UK) original album outsells Queen's best-seller 3 to 1 look at the worldwide album figures - much more depth
best selling original album titles:
Sgt Pepper - 1,000,000
ANATO - 300,000
worldwide album sales:
beatles - 2,300,500,000
queen - 350,000,000
as for the stones, i've never liked them, but have to admit again, queen are behind them in the pecking order.
the point here is people should stand back and take their own personal preferences out of these discussions...objectivity is the key
i think that the fact that queen's only huge-selling Uk album is their greatest hits - shows a certain narrowness/smallness in their artistic product - afa the general music buyer is concernd.
the beatles best selling (UK) original album outsells Queen's best-seller 3 to 1 look at the worldwide album figures - much more depth
best selling original album titles:
Sgt Pepper - 1,000,000
ANATO - 300,000
worldwide album sales:
beatles - 2,300,500,000
queen - 350,000,000
as for the stones, i've never liked them, but have to admit again, queen are behind them in the pecking order.
the point here is people should stand back and take their own personal preferences out of these discussions...objectivity is the key
Costa86
[QUOTE] [b]mooghead wrote:[/b]
"and also possibly a better band."
Curious to know what you mean by this?[/QUOTE]
The Beatles have surely made a bigger mark on music than Queen, and I dare say most of their songs are lyrically superior to Queen's. Melodically, they also have some excellent material.
"and also possibly a better band."
Curious to know what you mean by this?[/QUOTE]
The Beatles have surely made a bigger mark on music than Queen, and I dare say most of their songs are lyrically superior to Queen's. Melodically, they also have some excellent material.
Costa86
[QUOTE] [b]The Real Wizard wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]Costa86 wrote:[/b]
In terms of fame, I think Michael Jackson is the only dead rock star more famous than Freddie Mercury right now. Freddie's never been as big as he is now. You get 14 year old girls going crazy for him on Facebook, it's unbelievable. Elvis and John Lennon would come third and fourth.[/QUOTE]
There's no way Mercury is more popular in death than John Lennon. Lennon was an ambassador for peace and literally changed the world with his music and actions. Freddie would be the first person to tell you he was not bigger than any of The Beatles.
[/QUOTE]
I really don't know about that. Yes, Lennon left a bigger mark on the world. But in terms of how popular he is right know, I don't think as many younger people are interested in him as they are in Freddie.
[QUOTE] [b]Costa86 wrote:[/b]
In terms of fame, I think Michael Jackson is the only dead rock star more famous than Freddie Mercury right now. Freddie's never been as big as he is now. You get 14 year old girls going crazy for him on Facebook, it's unbelievable. Elvis and John Lennon would come third and fourth.[/QUOTE]
There's no way Mercury is more popular in death than John Lennon. Lennon was an ambassador for peace and literally changed the world with his music and actions. Freddie would be the first person to tell you he was not bigger than any of The Beatles.
[/QUOTE]
I really don't know about that. Yes, Lennon left a bigger mark on the world. But in terms of how popular he is right know, I don't think as many younger people are interested in him as they are in Freddie.
Costa86
[QUOTE] [b]brENsKi wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE]
[b]Costa86 wrote: [/b] In my view, which is probably biased because of my huge Queen fandom, Queen are considered the biggest band ever in the UK. Bigger than The Beatles I'd say, although The Beatles were probably more popular in their time, and also possibly a better band.
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on what basis? - ok let's face some facts here:
beatles vs queen in their home UK territory:
[b]beatles 17[/b] no1 singles / [b]queen 5[/b] no1 singles
[b]beatles 8[/b] no1 EPs / [b]queen 0[/b] no1 EPs
[b]beatles 11[/b] no1 albums / [b]queen 7[/b] no1 albums
best selling [b][i]original[/i][/b] album titles:
Sgt Pepper - 1,000,000
ANATO - 300,000
worldwide album sales:
beatles - [b]2,300,500,000[/b]
queen - [b]350,000,000[/b]
the number of beatles albums being sold equates to [b][i]one for every three people living on the planet[/i][/b].
the figure for queen is [b][i]one in every 20 people [/i][/b]on the planet.
the only UK thing that queen actually trump the beatles at is sales of Greatest Hits albums - 6 million for greatest hits vol 1. but then the beatles already won the singles argument with the number of no1s.[/QUOTE]
You have a point. In terms of statistics The Beatles do seem more popular in Britain, as a group. But statistics aren't everything. Also keep in mind that Queen are still active, while The Beatles were last active in 1970. So there isn't any recent news or activity from the Paul and Ringo, in terms of The Beatles.
[QUOTE]
[b]Costa86 wrote: [/b] In my view, which is probably biased because of my huge Queen fandom, Queen are considered the biggest band ever in the UK. Bigger than The Beatles I'd say, although The Beatles were probably more popular in their time, and also possibly a better band.
[/QUOTE]
on what basis? - ok let's face some facts here:
beatles vs queen in their home UK territory:
[b]beatles 17[/b] no1 singles / [b]queen 5[/b] no1 singles
[b]beatles 8[/b] no1 EPs / [b]queen 0[/b] no1 EPs
[b]beatles 11[/b] no1 albums / [b]queen 7[/b] no1 albums
best selling [b][i]original[/i][/b] album titles:
Sgt Pepper - 1,000,000
ANATO - 300,000
worldwide album sales:
beatles - [b]2,300,500,000[/b]
queen - [b]350,000,000[/b]
the number of beatles albums being sold equates to [b][i]one for every three people living on the planet[/i][/b].
the figure for queen is [b][i]one in every 20 people [/i][/b]on the planet.
the only UK thing that queen actually trump the beatles at is sales of Greatest Hits albums - 6 million for greatest hits vol 1. but then the beatles already won the singles argument with the number of no1s.[/QUOTE]
You have a point. In terms of statistics The Beatles do seem more popular in Britain, as a group. But statistics aren't everything. Also keep in mind that Queen are still active, while The Beatles were last active in 1970. So there isn't any recent news or activity from the Paul and Ringo, in terms of The Beatles.