Knebworth Question.

fr1986 wrote:

pittrek wrote:

Guys what makes you think they recorded the feed which was shown on the big screen? If they did, why would they use the bootleg video for the 2011 documentary?

A statement from Brian back when live aid DVD was coming out and also the same statement made by Greg a few years ago sayng "footage of the big screen exists".

They did not use it in the 2011 documentary because they did not remaster it, as they did not use any remastered footage from Budapest either.

I remember that Brian post on soapbox too, and i remember Greg at the beginning stating that the Big Screen feed existed but the audio was incomplete. As far as i know, the comment on Brian´s soapbox was erased, and Greg and QP state now that it wasn´t recorded.

At the time i got the impression that Brian had seen the video, or at least someoen described it to him in detailed. I don´t know what happened after that, but something isn´t right in this story.

Just one final note, there was one time when Greg was acting all defensive about his own statements (because now he says that it was never recorded from the video feeds), and one person posted that there is footage from a respected Queen collector who video recorded Greg on a Queen convention stating that INDEED the video screen existed. As far as i remember John S Stuart stated that said collector was a man of trust - meaning: if he says he has such video of Greg, then he has it.

(I´ve found the thread)
http://www.queenzone.com/forum/1059738/this-is-why-i-think-knebworth-86-concert-footage-doesnt-exist-in-archive.aspx?page=1


Just keep in mind that until someone took pictures of the audio tapes on a Genesis studio Greg was taking the piss of Queen fans stating that the audio didn´t exist in complete form - and that was why the video could not be synched. Considering that Justin Sharley-Smith at Brian soapbox replied that: http://brianmay.com/experts/exp03.html
"I saw this stuff on the WWW a while ago. These were simply tapes that I sent to "The Farm" (the Genesis studio) to have copies made. They are indeed the Knebworth multi-tacks of which we have a complete set, plus copies. I had been asked to mix the Knebworth version of Under Pressure for an internet bonus download or something (I think it eventually got put out on a CD) and needed the copies for this reason. Why somebody took a snap of them while they were there is not known - I'll ask the guys at the studio. "

If he is talking about the Knebworth version that was released as a "B" side to the "Under Pressure" Rah mix, then they know it since before 1999 that they had all the audio - contrary to what Greg said at the time.

Anyone can make a google search about this subject on Queenzone, and can read old topics. Just try this at Google : "site:queenzone.com Knebworth 1986 video screen feed"

pittrek wrote:

Guys what makes you think they recorded the feed which was shown on the big screen? If they did, why would they use the bootleg video for the 2011 documentary?

When did they use the bootleg footage? At what point

miraclesteinway wrote:

Also I don't think many people though it would be the last ever concert with Freddie. I'm not sure even Freddie really thought that at that stage.

Ohhh, yes he did.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0171x1k

Mary Austin opened up in 2011.

I also recall them using the bootleg footage in The Magic Years (I think that was the title?) short video about Queen in period of Live Aid till Budapest. Was released as part of Hungarian Rhapsody.

that is correct, it was released on the "a magic year" mini documentary in 2012. They used the already hundreds of times scenes used for the magic years documentary, bits of radio gaga, world we created and also radio gaga from the bootleg, and a bit of one vision from tv news. All the same footage, they did not bother to add something new. Instead they prefered to use what was handy.

Mercuryman12 wrote:

pittrek wrote:

Guys what makes you think they recorded the feed which was shown on the big screen? If they did, why would they use the bootleg video for the 2011 documentary?

When did they use the bootleg footage? At what point

I thought it was on the 2011 Wembley re-release but actually it was on the Budapest release. Bits of Ga Ga are taken from the audience recording, and maybe even from youtube

fr1986 wrote:

that is correct, it was released on the "a magic year" mini documentary in 2012. They used the already hundreds of times scenes used for the magic years documentary, bits of radio gaga, world we created and also radio gaga from the bootleg, and a bit of one vision from tv news. All the same footage, they did not bother to add something new. Instead they prefered to use what was handy.

Correct, 2012 and not 2011.

pittrek wrote:

Guys what makes you think they recorded the feed which was shown on the big screen? If they did, why would they use the bootleg video for the 2011 documentary?

Multiple possible reasons for the misinformation put out from QPL and the footage not being released:

They do not own the rights to the footage and haven't been able to come to any agreement with whoever does.

They have lost the footage.

They have accidently wiped the footage.

They are keeping hold of the footage for a future release. A video release of completely unseen footage of the band's last ever gig would be fairly monumental.

Of course the fucking video feed was recorded. Major rock band play huge outdoor gig, and all parties involved forget to record the video feed. Sure. People says "oh, they didn't know it would be Freddie's last gig" etc etc - irrelevant and missing the point.... it was a major concert by a major band, No one would have been stupid enough to have not recorded what was being filmed - that would have probably part of the agreement to begin with. Queen were not an amateur outfit and all parties involved would have known how huge a deal the gig was.

http://www.queenzone.com/forum/1059738/this-is-why-i-think-knebworth-86-concert-footage-doesnt-exist-in-archive.aspx?page=1

The things Greg Brooks said in that topic are intriguing.
He says to expect the unexpected, to read between the lines, even to consider the fact we might be missinformed...

All this suggests we're not being told the entire truth.

Let's not forget they kept the fact they had a live recording of FFMS also under wraps.
And they have a tendency to sell stuff from their archives as "recently rediscovered". Imo something you have but haven't looked at in ages is not a new discovery :-)

We'll know what they have when they rerelease Knebworth ;-) (rerelease yes ;-) )

I wonder whether the Rainbow rerelease include the entire March 38 minutes. I certainly do hope so!

I'm just hoping the Queen archives are as full of wonderful things as they have always told us... And that they start releasing them! Rainbow was a good first, now see what follows!

Negative Creep wrote:

Of course the fucking video feed was recorded. Major rock band play huge outdoor gig, and all parties involved forget to record the video feed. Sure. People says "oh, they didn't know it would be Freddie's last gig" etc etc - irrelevant and missing the point.... it was a major concert by a major band, No one would have been stupid enough to have not recorded what was being filmed - that would have probably part of the agreement to begin with. Queen were not an amateur outfit and all parties involved would have known how huge a deal the gig was.

In 2006 Brian stated outright that nobody pressed record. But then a year or so later Greg Brooks said they did.

You'd be surprised how many big shows didn't get recorded by bands. Certainly in the 70s. Back then things were only filmed if there was a reason. Crews were expensive, and bands didn't want to cough up the coin. Thus it's amazing that pro videos of Hyde Park 76 and Paris 79 exist at all. By comparison there is zero pro film of Pink Floyd from 1973-77 - their entire classic era.

By the 80s this mentality started to change. And when the Knebworth footage turns up, we'll know that Queen jumped on board.

The Real Wizard wrote:

Negative Creep wrote:

Of course the fucking video feed was recorded. Major rock band play huge outdoor gig, and all parties involved forget to record the video feed. Sure. People says "oh, they didn't know it would be Freddie's last gig" etc etc - irrelevant and missing the point.... it was a major concert by a major band, No one would have been stupid enough to have not recorded what was being filmed - that would have probably part of the agreement to begin with. Queen were not an amateur outfit and all parties involved would have known how huge a deal the gig was.

In 2006 Brian stated outright that nobody pressed record. But then a year or so later Greg Brooks said they did.

You'd be surprised how many big shows didn't get recorded by bands. Certainly in the 70s. Back then things were only filmed if there was a reason. Crews were expensive, and bands didn't want to cough up the coin. Thus it's amazing that pro videos of Hyde Park 76 and Paris 79 exist at all. By comparison there is zero pro film of Pink Floyd from 1973-77 - their entire classic era.

By the 80s this mentality started to change. And when the Knebworth footage turns up, we'll know that Queen jumped on board.

At Knebworth the cost was no issue. All those costs had been made by having two camera crews at the venue :-) Really funny if you think about it: two crews but no footage. Those people from those crews must have had a lot of job satisfaction lol.

Two crews, yes.

One crew, to provide images for the big screen. They did their job.
Another crew to provide images for a documentary. They did their job.

Seriously somebody think the DoRos filmed the entire concert? They probably only filmed bits. We all know how this works:

- Cameraman 1: Hey Cameraman 2, what songs we should film, the covers?

- Cameraman 2: No, i want a beer, let's return for Bo Rhapsody.

...

(Few moments later)

-Cameraman 2: Crap! I missed Bo Rhap, i was talking to that girl!

- Cameraman 1: I don't have it either, but we have enough footage from the tour so don't worry. Do you film Now I'm here?

- Cameraman 2: No i left during the solo, and you?

- Cameraman 1: No i was eating.

Aparently those cameramen don't care about not getting paid at all.
Of course Doro did not film the complete concert. Here we talk about the crew that filmed for the big Screen.

As i said before. Next year could be the chance for Knebworth 86' to come out to light.
We'll have to wait and see.

In the mean time, i hope this year they give us the Hammersith 75',79' boxet us fans want.

on my way up wrote:

http://www.queenzone.com/forum/1059738/this-is-why-i-think-knebworth-86-concert-footage-doesnt-exist-in-archive.aspx?page=1

The things Greg Brooks said in that topic are intriguing.
He says to expect the unexpected, to read between the lines, even to consider the fact we might be missinformed...

All this suggests we're not being told the entire truth.

Let's not forget they kept the fact they had a live recording of FFMS also under wraps.
And they have a tendency to sell stuff from their archives as "recently rediscovered". Imo something you have but haven't looked at in ages is not a new discovery :-)

We'll know what they have when they rerelease Knebworth ;-) (rerelease yes ;-) )

I wonder whether the Rainbow rerelease include the entire March 38 minutes. I certainly do hope so!

I'm just hoping the Queen archives are as full of wonderful things as they have always told us... And that they start releasing them! Rainbow was a good first, now see what follows!

Thanks for the link, I COMPLETELY forgot about it!

Yes, Greg said that nor the complete (or half or quarter) of the concert does not exist ON FILM and he was HINTING that one camera MIGHT be filming a bit longer.

That's really interesting, and I really hope one day QPL will release EVERYTHING they have, even if it will be like 45 minutes long in crappy quality. This concert deserves a "proper" release

Brian May said twice the show wasn't recorded in video, the archivist said the show wasn't recorded in video. Half of the show is already released in audio.

I think we have more chances to see the Leiden gig (our dutch friends can tell if was recorded entirely) than the Knebworth one.