^^^ Gimme The Prize is mid eighties and is more than full voice. Its "super full- extra gritty voice" and also hits some nasty D5's.
Live is another package os sausages more to do with beeing tired from touring and his "more macho" technique around that years.
I think his full voice only suffered through the AIDS years (innuendo/made in heaven). However by that time he had mastered such a great technique for "head voice" that it almost sounds like full or chest voice.
The show must go on, is a great example.
Oscar J · Member since
Every note he hit that was like Bb4 or higher had some head voice in it, including the high notes in Gimme The Prize. It's sort of a mix between chest and head voice. He didn't lose his full voice when he suffered from aids, he just lost chest power, meaning that his mixed voice had more "head" in it. Sounds just as stunning.
gerry · Member since
yes freddies vocal on "Mother Love" was spectacular for a man that was a skeleton and dying.
He still had a lot of vocal power right up to the very end and that should be commended.
Mr.QueenFan · Member since
So many Queen fans in denial, it´s not even funny. Use your ears and appreciate talent when you see one. Adam Lambert is in the group of the greatest vocalists alive today, and stating it doesn´t diminish Freddie or any other vocalist. Freddie was great and Adam is great.
There´s no need for people to be fucking around in the bushes denying the obvious. Adam has a bigger range that Freddie Mercury. And please, let´s not talk about the lower range and be picky about this. We all now that Freddie is recognized by his upper register, not his lower register. And when people talk about range, they talk about higher register, because no one gives a fuck about lower register Guiness records. I do, because i love and respect all musicians, but in this case we all know what we´re talking about here.
In fact Adam Lambert was the best thing that could have happen to Queen fans and Queenzone in particular. For the last 15 years i saw people ridiculing other artists based on Freddie´s range - Tribute concert anyone?? The amount of disrespect for other artists that goes on on this community and in this site is just ridiculous. Even Paul Rodgers - one of the greatest rock vocalists of all time - was slamed by QZer´s who just don´t know shit about music, but needed the attention.
Now appears this guy - Adam Lambert - who can reach all Freddie´s notes when he sings live without breaking a sweat- something that even Freddie couldn´t do with the consistency of Adam (the nodules, i know!) - and people get all deffensive saying that it´s not just the range, is the tone, the soul, blah blah blah. This was what me and others - who love music - kept saying when people slamed Paul Rodgers and others.
You can´t have it both ways!
How does it feel to write something your ears don´t agree with?
P.S. - For all people who disagree with me - i´m right and you´re wrong! It is what it is, and taste has nothing to do with it. Thanks and goodbye!
Stelios · Member since
^^^ Agree 100% about the range and the "who gives a fuck about the lower register". However if Freddie had a better lower register that means more body to the mid register.And a lot of the times we hear that part too (the mid register) even if it does not have the WOW factor. But is does play a role in a how a vocalist builds up his performance and the impact the song itself has to the listener in the end.
The Real Wizard · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]Mr.QueenFan wrote:[/b]
Even Paul Rodgers - one of the greatest rock vocalists of all time - was slamed by QZer´s who just don´t know shit about music, but needed the attention.
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Yup. Rodgers nailed the chorus of Champions every night. Mercury nailed it maybe five times in his career.
Facts. Don't they just suck?
Gregsynth · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]The Real Wizard wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]Mr.QueenFan wrote:[/b]
Even Paul Rodgers - one of the greatest rock vocalists of all time - was slamed by QZer´s who just don´t know shit about music, but needed the attention.
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Yup. Rodgers nailed the chorus of Champions every night. Mercury nailed it maybe five times in his career.
Facts. Don't they just suck?
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Six times! :D
matt z · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]The King Of Rhye wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]matt z wrote:[/b]
The world (USA) has gone "gay crazy" because it AMELIORATES societal problems (go reaching for your thesaurus)
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Uhhhh.............okay, I kinda agree with MOST of what you said.............but what the hell does have to do with anything???
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Okay.
In hindsight probably this:
The performing band wants to capitalize on the gay thing (for ideal reasons being THE MERCURY PHOENIX TRUST for AIDS which in the "first world" is still predominantly homosexual; don't know why they didn't promote it at the shows)
So picking an avowed homosexual would hit that TARGET AUDIENCE (marketing terms)
Maybe the "dangerous" thing they were talking about was to be touring with a cookie cutter pop star from a nation wide singing contest.
I don't know. The set list didn't really reflect danger.
Something like that.
Jumping on a bandwagon.
It's getting to the point you can't even say QUEER
The brain in me suspects social engineering.
That's all I meant by that rambling comment. If society doesn't recognize the damage done to the BIOLOGICAL family by suggesting that GENDER ROLES HAVE NO MEANING. ... then something's amiss.
Next time we vote for equality....on a sinking ship. .. It'd better be EVERYONE FOR THEMSELVES instead of this women and children $#!# ... you KNOW who'd win that bit.
It seems lately through the media that anyone who ISN'T gay is the exception. As if hetero perspectives are somehow now illogical.
Anyways
At the end of the day FREDDIE was an artist
Adam Lambert is a performing act. Though I wish him well.
I wouldn't be red in the face if he ever dropped an amazing album that blew everyone away. I'd be happy for him. But pop as it is, being homogenized with so many company writers. ... it's just "Meh". He's not bad for the gig. His over singing CAN be. (Particularly if the song doesn't warrant it)
Stelios · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]matt z wrote:[/b]
That's all I meant by that rambling comment. If society doesn't recognize the damage done to the BIOLOGICAL family by suggesting that GENDER ROLES HAVE NO MEANING. ... then something's amiss.
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I dont think that we are at the point to say GENDER ROLES HAVE NO MEANING. But so does Social Status, Financial Resources even Color of the parents to a digree.
However for a kid to be raised in a orphanage or given to foster family with no skills for good parenting, gender roles are secondary becouse a family dosent live in a vacum for the kid not to be exposed to them.Perhaps not idealy, but still...
Oscar J · Member since
double post
Oscar J · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]Mr.QueenFan wrote:[/b]
So many Queen fans in denial, it´s not even funny. Use your ears and appreciate talent when you see one. Adam Lambert is in the group of the greatest vocalists alive today, and stating it doesn´t diminish Freddie or any other vocalist. Freddie was great and Adam is great.
There´s no need for people to be fucking around in the bushes denying the obvious. Adam has a bigger range that Freddie Mercury. And please, let´s not talk about the lower range and be picky about this. We all now that Freddie is recognized by his upper register, not his lower register.
In fact Adam Lambert was the best thing that could have happen to Queen fans and Queenzone in particular. For the last 15 years i saw people ridiculing other artists based on Freddie´s range - Tribute concert anyone?? The amount of disrespect for other artists that goes on on this community and in this site is just ridiculous. Even Paul Rodgers - one of the greatest rock vocalists of all time - was slamed by QZer´s who just don´t know shit about music, but needed the attention.
Now appears this guy - Adam Lambert - who can reach all Freddie´s notes when he sings live without breaking a sweat- something that even Freddie couldn´t do with the consistency of Adam (the nodules, i know!) - and people get all deffensive saying that it´s not just the range, is the tone, the soul, blah blah blah. This was what me and others - who love music - kept saying when people slamed Paul Rodgers and others.
You can´t have it both ways!
How does it feel to write something your ears don´t agree with?
P.S. - For all people who disagree with me - i´m right and you´re wrong! It is what it is, and taste has nothing to do with it. Thanks and goodbye!
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Honestly I don't think you got very many things right in this post.
1. Vocal range by definition means the span of notes a vocalist is able to produce, meaning that you have to include the lower notes as well, regardless of what people "care about". Facts are that Freddie had a four octave range (F2-F6) while Adam's is just over 3 (G#2-B5), both excluding spoken/fry notes.
2. Even when we only consider high notes, Freddie could go significantly higher than Adam, simply because he comfortably could go well into the 6th octave both live and in the studio. The only advantage Adam has over Freddie is when we're talking about "full voice". Adam is able to seamlessly move into a very heady and in my opinion rather thin sounding register that could be considered "full voice".
3. Even though I don't have anything against Lambert, I don't see why we can't have it "both ways" as you say it. Theres nothing technically wrong with saying one artists has the tone and feel but not the range, while another's got the range, but not the tone and feel.
4. I don't think there's any "right and wrong" in this discussion. Maybe you were joking.
gerry · Member since
Mr. Queen fan: you are obviously stone deaf if you think Lambert is as great a singer as Freddie was.
Freddie Mercury is a legend & Adam Lambert is a nobody
Lamberts voice is not right for Queens Music, but would be ok if he was in U2..
Mr Queenfan: Lambert shrieks when he hits the high notes, you need your ears syringing darling.
matt z · Member since
FREDDIE'S VOICE SOUNDS BEST FOR QUEEN BECAUSE. .. (!) ....mm
Drum roll please
.... The songs were written BY and often FOR his voice.
The reason Adam sounds amiss (vocal acrobatics aside) is because his voice is thin. It doesn't fill in the frequency range.
He was by far the most active guy on stage during the tour. But that ain't saying much. It's not like they sat like BB KING but it was pretty close ;-) (exaggerating)
