ANNOUNCE: Radio Ga Ga Live from Sydney 1985

[QUOTE] [b]brians wig wrote:[/b]
May I ask Mr Mouse if he can clean it up but KEEP it interlaced please?
Deinterlacing interlaced footage is as bad as contaminating the audio gene pool with mp3's.[/QUOTE]
All very well if you are viewing on a CRT, those of us with LCDs might think differently.

[QUOTE] [b][/b][/QUOTE] brians wig wrote: 

May I ask Mr Mouse if he can clean it up but KEEP it interlaced please? 
Deinterlacing interlaced footage is as bad as contaminating the audio gene pool with mp3's.

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I respectfully disagree. Deinterlacing doesn't degrade quality if it's done properly. To be honest, every video re-compression degrades quality technically, except if you make a lossless copy.

Probably you are referring to the fact that I drop one field when deinterlacing so the motion is not as smooth. I can do double FPS so it looks smoother, only that it takes almost twice as long encoding time (since frames are twice as much).

Do you own CRT monitor? I am doing this from an LCD perspective. The interlaced videos are displayed with 2 fields at the same time and it looks ass. But players like "VLC" do deinterlacing real-time and not that well since the processing needs to happen real-time so it doesn't slow down your video as if it's rendering.
I deinterlace with higher quality and slower filters like QTGMC in Avisynth and the result is more pleasing to eye (for me) than watching interlaced video (both fields at the same time) or deinterlaced "on the fly" with one of VLC's cheap deinterlacers. So for me the best option is to deinterlace.

I hope this ramble made sense :) I make these videos mostly for myself and I have my own perception of how they should be. Of course, I can specially leave it interlaced for you.

Chief Mouse wrote:


I respectfully disagree. Deinterlacing doesn't degrade quality if it's done properly
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I wasn't talking about degrading quality as happens with mp3's, but I believe that if a video is interlaced, then it should be kept as such and any variation from that is a muddying of the gene pool.
I suppose that stems from the fact that I'm 43 and grew up watching beautiful interlaced video pictures from the BBC in the 1970's.
I also hate the Greatest Hits DVDs for the very reason they were widescreened. They should have been kept in the original format.

As for the rest of what you wrote. Well, maybe I'm an old guy, but I tend to use a television set for watching videos, not a computer monitor ;-)

I understand you are doing them for yourself and you sharing your work is very generous of you, but my concern stems from the fact that we live in a Youtube generation and it worries me that crappy quality Youtube videos will one day be the only source of Queen video material that was once available in much better quality even if it was VHS.
Don't get me wrong. I'm not comparing your stuff to Youtube quality, but I'm using that reference as a case in point.

It's apparent that you and many other people here still want the best quality videos they can get, otherwise these discussions wouldn't be happening and you wouldn't be improving the videos you are, but let's go the full distance and keep the interlacing as well for those videos that were shot and sourced on just that if for no other reason than a purely preservation aspect.

My TV is LCD.

I vote for de-interlacing everything, the only logical reason interlacing ever first came to be was for broadcasting stuff, then it has just happened to stick around like a sore thumb...

That's a fair point, Brian's Wig.

P.S. I'm letting you know that Pittrek's Sydney clips he sent me are progressive to begin with.

Let's remember how some of those interlaced videos from 'The Lot' looked on LCD TVs.
When de-interlaced (thus removing the combing effect) they looked so much better on LCD TVs.
(see this thread http://discuss.queenonline.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=5251&start=1320 )
The simple fact is we are never going back to domestic CRT TV technology, just as we left behind analogue TV transmissions and VHF, it's had its day.
LCD TVs can't do ''interlaced'' and just convert it, hereon the problem lies.
Realistically there is no place for interlaced videos with todays technology.

Just for the record though, the video at TTD is interlaced and includes the footage of the band going through the corridor.

I've got an LED TV Mr Durex and I can clearly tell the difference between an interlaced programme and a deinterlaced one.
Some of the videos on "The Lot" were just badly encoded with the field order the wrong with round, hence the combing effect. It was a massive cock-up from the start and should have been rectified.

[QUOTE] [b]Nitroboy wrote:[/b]

I vote for de-interlacing everything, the only logical reason interlacing ever first came to be was for broadcasting stuff, then it has just happened to stick around like a sore thumb...[/QUOTE]

Just like MP3.
The only reason that came into being was send audio files down a 14kb/s internet connection and sadly they too have stuck around like a sore thumb.
People still want them though.

[QUOTE] [b]brians wig wrote:[/b] I've got an LED TV Mr Durex and I can clearly tell the difference between an interlaced programme and a deinterlaced one. Some of the videos on "The Lot" were just badly encoded with the field order the wrong with round, hence the combing effect. It was a massive cock-up from the start and should have been rectified. [/QUOTE] There are plenty of other interlaced videos I have which suffer the combing effect on LCD and of course display perfectly on a CRT. I'm not saying ALL interlaced videos will suffer from this, but plenty will. Kurgan sent me an interlaced sample clip of Sydney (see below) and guess what? I myself prefer a nice clear de-interlaced image on my screen, so I'm with Nitroboy on this one. If you get a chance take a look at the Japanese release of DOOL, see the interlaced mess that is Japan 75! After de-interlacing it becomes watchable. Sydney 85 interlaced - Freddie had his hand in the shredder. Japan 75 interlaced (DOOL Japanese edition) There are two options, preserve or correct.

^ Yep, this is the reason I also prefer deinterlacing.

[QUOTE] [b]Chief Mouse wrote:[/b]
^ Yep, this is the reason I also prefer deinterlacing.[/QUOTE]
....and I'm also with Chief Mouse.

^ Me too.

Thanks.