Day dop
Anyone else here who thinks the guy is an irritating narcissistic self obsessed fuckwit, who is doing little else other than essentially promoting himself?
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The Real Wizard
No.
He's a breath of fresh air that's much needed in today's world of propaganda being bombarded at us from every angle.
Ad hominem attacks like this are exactly why we need more people like him.
He's a breath of fresh air that's much needed in today's world of propaganda being bombarded at us from every angle.
Ad hominem attacks like this are exactly why we need more people like him.
noorie
Actually I love most of Russell Brand's opinions, although some are incredibly naive. I think he presents his views in a very straightforward, but fantastically witty way, so you want to keep listening to him. And he is very open and honest.
However, at times I find he tries too hard to maintain the 'sexy shagger' image. But what the heck - we love it!
However, at times I find he tries too hard to maintain the 'sexy shagger' image. But what the heck - we love it!
mooghead
I used to think he was cool but he is starting to believe his own hype and drown in it. He is articulate, he talks sense but he is rapidly becoming one of those people he hates...
The Real Wizard
I don't know what you guys have been reading, but this is the absolute best piece that came out after Robin Williams died.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/aug/12/russell-brand-robin-williams-divine-madness-broken-world
He's so in touch, articulate and well informed.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/aug/12/russell-brand-robin-williams-divine-madness-broken-world
He's so in touch, articulate and well informed.
Day dop
He essentially does the same as David Icke, sprinkles a few truths in amoungst a whole load of bullshit aimed at a certain audience - in the case of Brand, those in their teens and 20s, particularly those who are distrusting. He's tapped into that audience quite cunningly, and for sure, found his niche in the marketplace. I don't see as that's much of a breath of fresh air. It's certainly nothing new. You'll notice a lot of his fans are conspiracy theorists and woo-meisters, the latter sucked in by his Deepak Chopra style mystical bollocks type ramblings.
For example, aside from a lot of his childish so called political ideas, he promotes his Trews site as somewhere you can get "the truth" (typical charlatan tactic) - and yet, you find long debunked 9/11 conspiracy theory claims on there. "Thermite!" "WTC7!" (he also retweeted David Icke 9/11 conspiracy theory tweets). Anything anti-establishment will do, even if it's outright horseshit.
If he was serious about making change, he'd put a party together himself. As for him being articulate, to me, it seems forced, as if he's read a dictionary in order to over-compensate for his lack of education.
From DigitalSpy, worth a read:
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/showbiz/feature/a604589/why-russell-brand-is-completely-wrong.html
For example, aside from a lot of his childish so called political ideas, he promotes his Trews site as somewhere you can get "the truth" (typical charlatan tactic) - and yet, you find long debunked 9/11 conspiracy theory claims on there. "Thermite!" "WTC7!" (he also retweeted David Icke 9/11 conspiracy theory tweets). Anything anti-establishment will do, even if it's outright horseshit.
If he was serious about making change, he'd put a party together himself. As for him being articulate, to me, it seems forced, as if he's read a dictionary in order to over-compensate for his lack of education.
From DigitalSpy, worth a read:
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/showbiz/feature/a604589/why-russell-brand-is-completely-wrong.html
Day dop
[QUOTE] [b]The Real Wizard wrote:[/b]
No.
He's a breath of fresh air that's much needed in today's world of propaganda being bombarded at us from every angle.
Ad hominem attacks like this are exactly why we need more people like him.[/QUOTE]
Fuckwit is ad hominem sure, but he's admitted he's a narcissist himself, if it wasn't already obvious. And it seems to me, that's all this whole exercise is with him - narcissism on the grand scale. All talk, little substance. If anyone automatically thinks Brand going on protests makes him sincere (and it's not just about self promotion) then why can't the same could be said of Alex Jones and David Icke being as they go on protests too, being as they play a game that's not so dissimilar. (And Brand is pally with those, Icke in particular. Not that it's a case of guilty by association, but that may well be where he got some of his ideas).
We need more people like Carl Sagan, not Russell Brand. I don't recall him repeatedly having pissing contests with easy targets or misleading and manipulating the naive. The man only cared to educate and inform. That's what we need.
Brand is a part of everything he claims to dislike. Part of what dumbs down society - celebrity worship. And his views - the ones that are true - aren't anything that any reasonably intelligent person wouldn't have already figured out in their 20's.
No.
He's a breath of fresh air that's much needed in today's world of propaganda being bombarded at us from every angle.
Ad hominem attacks like this are exactly why we need more people like him.[/QUOTE]
Fuckwit is ad hominem sure, but he's admitted he's a narcissist himself, if it wasn't already obvious. And it seems to me, that's all this whole exercise is with him - narcissism on the grand scale. All talk, little substance. If anyone automatically thinks Brand going on protests makes him sincere (and it's not just about self promotion) then why can't the same could be said of Alex Jones and David Icke being as they go on protests too, being as they play a game that's not so dissimilar. (And Brand is pally with those, Icke in particular. Not that it's a case of guilty by association, but that may well be where he got some of his ideas).
We need more people like Carl Sagan, not Russell Brand. I don't recall him repeatedly having pissing contests with easy targets or misleading and manipulating the naive. The man only cared to educate and inform. That's what we need.
Brand is a part of everything he claims to dislike. Part of what dumbs down society - celebrity worship. And his views - the ones that are true - aren't anything that any reasonably intelligent person wouldn't have already figured out in their 20's.
matt z
He's popular and yet he's willingly giving himself to the crack shit and humorless cavalcade of "certainty" brought on by years of self inflated values*(never willingly upheld)
I admire the guy for his willingness to put a face and a mirror on conflicts.
Everything can be really readily and easily analyzed by a skeptic society. And any of his claims can be attributed to "bleeding heart" banality but the truth is there is NO public persona that can espouse compassion and reality to people. IF .... HE as a piece of the machinations can give Boca/voice to a contrary opinion of things that isn't comforting then I welcome him being "confrontational"
It's all different wearing a different set of boots.
And until people can acknowledge this SIMPLE platitude then we all don't truly or willing care about each other
* that said. Livestock and social gains (population) are the mathematical modes of progress in this life.
Fortune is on the few. Unless we willingly adjust and rectify some sort of die hard responsibility there WILL be another profligate AND SUBSTANTIAL militarized force to back up technical progress.
THAT is WHY the arts and SONG/MUSIC are so valuable to society.
Transitions have happened. Communications are almost DIRECT and INSTANT. It's welcome to have a perspective of a conflicting nature. THAT is the point of ANY democratic society. (*the reason FOR)
IT'S NOT just for the said structure's survival.
Thought. ... THOUGHT must flourish and changes must be made.
The HUMAN population has grown IMMENSELY in the last 40 years. Anyone feeling that that shouldn't be taken into account is completely unreasonable.
For people to disdain and ridicule someone like Russell brand fOr talking about human issues, they've got to either be oblivious to reality OR fanatical about an assumed cause.
Let the guy speak. It's more than people AREN'T READING.
Let it be.
I admire the guy for his willingness to put a face and a mirror on conflicts.
Everything can be really readily and easily analyzed by a skeptic society. And any of his claims can be attributed to "bleeding heart" banality but the truth is there is NO public persona that can espouse compassion and reality to people. IF .... HE as a piece of the machinations can give Boca/voice to a contrary opinion of things that isn't comforting then I welcome him being "confrontational"
It's all different wearing a different set of boots.
And until people can acknowledge this SIMPLE platitude then we all don't truly or willing care about each other
* that said. Livestock and social gains (population) are the mathematical modes of progress in this life.
Fortune is on the few. Unless we willingly adjust and rectify some sort of die hard responsibility there WILL be another profligate AND SUBSTANTIAL militarized force to back up technical progress.
THAT is WHY the arts and SONG/MUSIC are so valuable to society.
Transitions have happened. Communications are almost DIRECT and INSTANT. It's welcome to have a perspective of a conflicting nature. THAT is the point of ANY democratic society. (*the reason FOR)
IT'S NOT just for the said structure's survival.
Thought. ... THOUGHT must flourish and changes must be made.
The HUMAN population has grown IMMENSELY in the last 40 years. Anyone feeling that that shouldn't be taken into account is completely unreasonable.
For people to disdain and ridicule someone like Russell brand fOr talking about human issues, they've got to either be oblivious to reality OR fanatical about an assumed cause.
Let the guy speak. It's more than people AREN'T READING.
Let it be.
Donna13
Attention is like an addiction for some of these celebrities. They are completely self-focused, regardless of what "causes" or political opinions they say they have. No, they do not care about society or other individuals or making things better. They care about numbers of Twitter followers, and whether or not they are making the headlines. Ha. Very similar mindset to some (not all) politicians, actually.
I didn't realize Russell Brand was trying to be a voice of reason regarding things beyond his own personal life, until seeing what RW linked to here. It is very easy to be contrary and to pander to the new generation of young people who do not feel empowered. But finding fault with political leaders is level one on the intelligence scale. Finding solutions and bringing diverse and conflicting sides together or creating peace out of war - that is level four (to put it in gaming terms).
I didn't realize Russell Brand was trying to be a voice of reason regarding things beyond his own personal life, until seeing what RW linked to here. It is very easy to be contrary and to pander to the new generation of young people who do not feel empowered. But finding fault with political leaders is level one on the intelligence scale. Finding solutions and bringing diverse and conflicting sides together or creating peace out of war - that is level four (to put it in gaming terms).
Holly2003
Wibble, wibble, I'm a teapot.
[QUOTE] [b]matt z wrote:[/b]
He's popular and yet he's willingly giving himself to the crack shit and humorless cavalcade of "certainty" brought on by years of self inflated values*(never willingly upheld)
I admire the guy for his willingness to put a face and a mirror on conflicts.
Everything can be really readily and easily analyzed by a skeptic society. And any of his claims can be attributed to "bleeding heart" banality but the truth is there is NO public persona that can espouse compassion and reality to people. IF .... HE as a piece of the machinations can give Boca/voice to a contrary opinion of things that isn't comforting then I welcome him being "confrontational"
It's all different wearing a different set of boots.
And until people can acknowledge this SIMPLE platitude then we all don't truly or willing care about each other
* that said. Livestock and social gains (population) are the mathematical modes of progress in this life.
Fortune is on the few. Unless we willingly adjust and rectify some sort of die hard responsibility there WILL be another profligate AND SUBSTANTIAL militarized force to back up technical progress.
THAT is WHY the arts and SONG/MUSIC are so valuable to society.
Transitions have happened. Communications are almost DIRECT and INSTANT. It's welcome to have a perspective of a conflicting nature. THAT is the point of ANY democratic society. (*the reason FOR)
IT'S NOT just for the said structure's survival.
Thought. ... THOUGHT must flourish and changes must be made.
The HUMAN population has grown IMMENSELY in the last 40 years. Anyone feeling that that shouldn't be taken into account is completely unreasonable.
For people to disdain and ridicule someone like Russell brand fOr talking about human issues, they've got to either be oblivious to reality OR fanatical about an assumed cause.
Let the guy speak. It's more than people AREN'T READING.
Let it be. [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE] [b]matt z wrote:[/b]
He's popular and yet he's willingly giving himself to the crack shit and humorless cavalcade of "certainty" brought on by years of self inflated values*(never willingly upheld)
I admire the guy for his willingness to put a face and a mirror on conflicts.
Everything can be really readily and easily analyzed by a skeptic society. And any of his claims can be attributed to "bleeding heart" banality but the truth is there is NO public persona that can espouse compassion and reality to people. IF .... HE as a piece of the machinations can give Boca/voice to a contrary opinion of things that isn't comforting then I welcome him being "confrontational"
It's all different wearing a different set of boots.
And until people can acknowledge this SIMPLE platitude then we all don't truly or willing care about each other
* that said. Livestock and social gains (population) are the mathematical modes of progress in this life.
Fortune is on the few. Unless we willingly adjust and rectify some sort of die hard responsibility there WILL be another profligate AND SUBSTANTIAL militarized force to back up technical progress.
THAT is WHY the arts and SONG/MUSIC are so valuable to society.
Transitions have happened. Communications are almost DIRECT and INSTANT. It's welcome to have a perspective of a conflicting nature. THAT is the point of ANY democratic society. (*the reason FOR)
IT'S NOT just for the said structure's survival.
Thought. ... THOUGHT must flourish and changes must be made.
The HUMAN population has grown IMMENSELY in the last 40 years. Anyone feeling that that shouldn't be taken into account is completely unreasonable.
For people to disdain and ridicule someone like Russell brand fOr talking about human issues, they've got to either be oblivious to reality OR fanatical about an assumed cause.
Let the guy speak. It's more than people AREN'T READING.
Let it be. [/QUOTE]
brENsKi
the only enduring thought I get in relation to RB these days it....
"Katy Perry = soiled"
"Katy Perry = soiled"
thomasquinn 32989
I don't like Russell Brand, I do think he's a narcissist and I do think he's extremely annoying (not to say flat-out distasteful) and he thinks he's waaaay funnier than he is, but that doesn't mean he can't get it right sometimes. And lately, he's been getting things right quite a lot. Who knows? Maybe he's just improving himself.
The Real Wizard
[QUOTE] [b]Day dop wrote:[/b]
He essentially does the same as David Icke, sprinkles a few truths in amoungst a whole load of bullshit aimed at a certain audience
You'll notice a lot of his fans are conspiracy theorists and woo-meisters, the latter sucked in by his Deepak Chopra style mystical bollocks type ramblings.
For example, aside from a lot of his childish so called political ideas, he promotes his Trews site as somewhere you can get "the truth" (typical charlatan tactic) - and yet, you find long debunked 9/11 conspiracy theory claims on there. "Thermite!" "WTC7!" (he also retweeted David Icke 9/11 conspiracy theory tweets).
[/QUOTE]
Yikes. Well, thanks for bringing all that forth. Everything I'd read/heard was bang on, but obviously I'd just stumbled upon those few things he was right about. He recently did a rant on Canadian politics that was so completely accurate - and then the next day he's a conspiracy nut. This is why the political left is a complete mess. There's no clear message or organization.
[QUOTE]We need more people like Carl Sagan, not Russell Brand. I don't recall him repeatedly having pissing contests with easy targets or misleading and manipulating the naive. The man only cared to educate and inform. That's what we need.[/QUOTE]
+1
He essentially does the same as David Icke, sprinkles a few truths in amoungst a whole load of bullshit aimed at a certain audience
You'll notice a lot of his fans are conspiracy theorists and woo-meisters, the latter sucked in by his Deepak Chopra style mystical bollocks type ramblings.
For example, aside from a lot of his childish so called political ideas, he promotes his Trews site as somewhere you can get "the truth" (typical charlatan tactic) - and yet, you find long debunked 9/11 conspiracy theory claims on there. "Thermite!" "WTC7!" (he also retweeted David Icke 9/11 conspiracy theory tweets).
[/QUOTE]
Yikes. Well, thanks for bringing all that forth. Everything I'd read/heard was bang on, but obviously I'd just stumbled upon those few things he was right about. He recently did a rant on Canadian politics that was so completely accurate - and then the next day he's a conspiracy nut. This is why the political left is a complete mess. There's no clear message or organization.
[QUOTE]We need more people like Carl Sagan, not Russell Brand. I don't recall him repeatedly having pissing contests with easy targets or misleading and manipulating the naive. The man only cared to educate and inform. That's what we need.[/QUOTE]
+1
The Real Wizard
[QUOTE] [b]Day dop wrote:[/b]
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/showbiz/feature/a604589/why-russell-brand-is-completely-wrong.html
[/QUOTE]
Excellent article overall, although they have a pretty incomplete view of Libya. The reason why the country was turned upside-down is *because* the US invaded.
Before then, Libya was the most civilized country in Africa. They had free housing, free education, free health care, gas was 14 cents a gallon, newlyweds were given money to contribute to buying a home, parents were given a monetary gift with the birth of a child, women were prominent in politics, there was low infant mortality, there was a high level of literacy - all with no national debt.
But - they had no central bank, and oil had just been found. The US showed up a few months later.
Essential reading here, about the direct democracy system that existed in Libya for over 40 years:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Libya
And we wonder why western media didn't report any of this..
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/showbiz/feature/a604589/why-russell-brand-is-completely-wrong.html
[/QUOTE]
Excellent article overall, although they have a pretty incomplete view of Libya. The reason why the country was turned upside-down is *because* the US invaded.
Before then, Libya was the most civilized country in Africa. They had free housing, free education, free health care, gas was 14 cents a gallon, newlyweds were given money to contribute to buying a home, parents were given a monetary gift with the birth of a child, women were prominent in politics, there was low infant mortality, there was a high level of literacy - all with no national debt.
But - they had no central bank, and oil had just been found. The US showed up a few months later.
Essential reading here, about the direct democracy system that existed in Libya for over 40 years:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Libya
And we wonder why western media didn't report any of this..
Holly2003
David Icke believes alien reptilians control the Earth. He's wrong of course. They're not reptilian at all. That would be crazy. They are acquatic mammals.