A horrific week so far

The terrorist siege on a cafe in Sydney, pretty close to home for me, was tragic - 2 innocents died, and a few others were injured. There was some hope that came out of that series of events, though, in the powerful display of support for the innocent Islamic people of Australia who will likely suffer public backlash for a crime they had no part in.

There's nothing hopeful to be found in the current events in Pakistan, though; the Taliban massacre on the Peshawar Military School has left (roughly) 132 dead, over 100 of whom were children. A further 250 are injured. Sickening.

Is this the world we created?
What did we do it for?
Is this the world we invaded?
Against the law

This could be heaven for everyone.

A lot of things happen every day in my country. It's horrible, but in some way you get used to hear this iniquities.
Not terrorist histories or something like that, only normal people killing other people. But, at the end of the day, it's almost the same.
People die due to other people wanting free food/clothes/TVs instead of working. But not that quantity of people every day...

Used to or not, it's still horrible. And shouldn't happen. But due to mafias, greed, anything can happen.

And to think, other members of our species recently just adhesed a lander to a moving comet.

Our race sure has a long way to go.

I think its time we all stopped fannying around and blew the cavemen cunts out of the caves they live in

You know, I think it happened because of the lack of vision from the government, there were already many alarms coming from different agencies and even some threats.
As someone who is very interested in military inteligence and stuff like that, it did surprised me that there were no clear actions by the police, military etc... I know its not the kind of stuff you want to hear but I, who live in a country in which stuff like that happens every day, feel the need to tell people who havent experienced this kind of horror that they must be critics towards police, government and militar actions (or lack of).

Im going to be honest, it seems that the police didnt had any idea about what to do, or how do deal with the situation.

Now, I truly wish Im wrong but I think the worst is yet to come, not in terms of threats but, as you already wrote, the wish for vengeance, the fear and the hate towards the muslims.

I truly wish you all over there to find peace and get rid of the fear that must be surround you, I know how you feel! I live in Monterrey Mexico, which was one of the 10 most peaceful cities in the continent and in 2010 we were from the top 10 peaceful to the 40 most dangerous cities in the world (even more dangerous that many war zones, BBC had this amazing video called Monterrey, the City of Massacres a few years ago) I and many other bystanders were in the cross fire between drug cartels, crossfire between cops and soldiers, etc etc so believe me, I know how hard it is to live with fear, that's why my advise is to stop having fear and try to live as usual, be critic, very critic of the security forces and take care...

Sending you good vibes and strength

The Australian police force is seemingly not as well trained for this sort of thing as its British or American counterparts. They have extremely serious customs and border security, but not anti-terrorism training.

Hate towards the "cavemen" is natural, but you really need to see deeper and try to understand why these Muslim extremists hate us. Who made them hate us? What was behind the American invasion of Iraq? And so on. We the citizens are ALWAYS on the losing end of things, and the people behind the scenes keep making their billions through things like foreign wars.

what it needs now is a G20 conference titled "we're going to wipe these c*nts off the face off the earth"
- that's the only way they can be in no doubt that EVERYONE is after them.
then G20 needs to deploy forces from every direct until these idiots are holed up in the mountains...final stage?
nuke the fucking mountains
once the entire command structure is gone the "lone wolf" type cretins that commit atrocities such as Australia this week will have no "sense of belonging".
the time for education and reasoning has long since passed. when will we learn? people that fly planes into buildings, kidnap girls, blow up commuter trains and buses, schools and shopping malls only understand one language - fire with fire

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[b]Costa86 wrote: [/b] The Australian police force is seemingly not as well trained for this sort of thing as it's British or American counterparts. They have extremely serious customs and border security, but not anti-terrorism training.

Hate towards the "cavemen" is natural, but you really need to see deeper and try to understand why these Muslim extremists hate us. Who made them hate us? What was behind the American invasion of Iraq? And so on. We the citizens are ALWAYS on the losing end of things, and the people behind the scenes keep making their billions through things like foreign wars.

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It is difficult to look for logic from cavemen, when school children lacking penises are kidnapped en masse because they are receiving an education that is not officially sanctioned by Allah.[/QUOTE]

Are you people really this daft? You're giving ISIS EXACTLY what they want!!! ISIS wants Muslims to believe that the world hates them and wants to destroy them. Right now, the Danes seem to be the only people who realize this, and their policy towards Jihadists is, not coincidentally, by far the most succesful. By means of anti-Islamic rhetoric and by attacking ISIS-types through slurs against Islam, you are driving more Muslims right into their arms. Not because they like ISIS, but because they're increasingly scared of Western Islamophobes. The same kind of thing happened in Germany in the 1930s - an enormous rise in the number of Jews who joined communist groups. Not because they sympathized with communism per se, but because they were scared shitless by the nazis, who kept saying that the communists were a front for Jewish interests.

What we need is more of the #illridewithyou, and less of the racism. Fighting hate with more hate is as stupid as it gets. The past two weeks, there have been two lethal shootings near where I live (fully doubling the annual homicide rate, I might add). This is part of a recently escalated but decades old feud between two groups of orthodox protestants (Christian fundamentalist nutjobs). How would you think regular orthodox protestants and even moderate protestants would respons if we started a campaign saying Christianity = Violence, out with Christian terrorists and the likes? Do you think that would drive them away from these extremists? Or do you think they'd close ranks a little further?

Casper, if i'd lost someone close to me in any such atrocity, i'd find your comment insensitive, insulting and without any due regard. These "people" will not be stopped by any form of dialogue. the only way to make the world safer for the majority is to completely eradicate the minority who continue to kill in the name of their God.

to bastardise a saying:
the needs of the many MUST outweigh the desires of a few.

ps - this is NOT fighting hate with hate. This is eradicating fire by the means the hate-preachers best understand - more fire. The world that remains will be no worse for the absence of these lunatics.

pps - if "they" really do believe that strapping an extra-large vest on before they go out in public - is part of a cause that gains them a reward in the afterlife, then I for one would not object in any manner to the western infidels helping these people into the afterlife a little sooner than they expected.

brENsKi, do you not think that if somehow all the terrorists are eradicated, a new brand of terrorists will emerge in their stead? A new potential terrorist is born every day. The root of the problem is not the radicalisation itself, but what causes people to develop the need to radicalise themselves and others. And what causes this? It is multi-factorial, and we the citizens don't know the half of it. The West is as much to blame for what is happening as are the extremist Muslims.

I agree that, in the short-term, we must do all we can to extinguish dangerous groups like ISIL/ISIS. Yes, they must be stopped from continuing to cause harm in the immediate future. But this is not a long-term solution, and certainly eradicating people isn't going to solve anything, because it won't solve what is at the root of this.

i agree with you completely. but there is an important caveat.
if you're diagnosed with cancer - your consultant will remove/eradicate it first and then address the causes afterward. you cannot address the cause while the cancer spreads/grows and destroys life.

the Muslim extremest terrorism campaign is a cancer, it needs wiping out first and foremost. full stop.

Today, eight children ranging from 18 months to 15 years were stabbed to death in their Queensland home. What the fuck is happening...? It must be that one act of violence in the public eye spurs other deranged people into more immediate action.

[QUOTE] [b]brENsKi wrote:[/b]

Casper, if i'd lost someone close to me in any such atrocity, i'd find your comment insensitive, insulting and without any due regard. These "people" will not be stopped by any form of dialogue. the only way to make the world safer for the majority is to completely eradicate the minority who continue to kill in the name of their God.

to bastardise a saying:
the needs of the many MUST outweigh the desires of a few.

ps - this is NOT fighting hate with hate. This is eradicating fire by the means the hate-preachers best understand - more fire. The world that remains will be no worse for the absence of these lunatics.

pps - if "they" really do believe that strapping an extra-large vest on before they go out in public - is part of a cause that gains them a reward in the afterlife, then I for one would not object in any manner to the western infidels helping these people into the afterlife a little sooner than they expected.[/QUOTE]

Summary: yes, you really are this daft. You are unable to comprehend that by going along with anti-Islamic rhetoric, you're driving more Muslims into the hands of ISIS out of sheer fear of the west. Your "this is not fighting hate with hate. This is eradicating fire [with] [...] more fire" illustrates that you don't get it - do you see that you YOURSELF put down a tautology matching mine?

Anyway, your knee-jerk war-and-retaliation response is understandable, but still pointless. But of course, this is going to be my fault for misunderstanding you again, because you are so reasonable and I always take your words out of context, naturally. It's getting a little old.

We judge people one at a time. When we start juding by the group, we're no better than nazis. Muslims are afraid. Most of ISIS and related groups' victims are Muslims, yet those who don't have to fear ISIS now have to fear the 'civilized' west. That is something each and every one of us should be ashamed of. When children are afraid of being attacked, locked up or thrown out of the country in our liberal, democratic, modern western countries, simply because of their religion, then we are all guilty of a grave evil.