I think John Deacon vowed to be faithful to Freddie when he died and did not want to continue with out him, i also believe he was more closer towards Freddie than Brian or Roger.
They do say grief leads into terrible depression and some people never get over the loss.
I would say John is certainly one of those people.
He is however spot on for not continuing and he has a sense of pride to just leave the Queen legacy alone.
Queen should just have been left untouched as the 4 guys in the band were all very special as one working unit.
The magic has vanished now and the remaining members of Queen have trashed the once tingling spectacle Queen once were.
Arnaldo "Ogre-" Silveira · Member since
Please do not forget he played with Roger in 1993 as Queen.
Roger Taylor & John Deacon- A Kind Of Magic (LIiv…: http://youtu.be/s82zuCYAuTs
And please skip the disrespectful comments on John. He does not owe us anything. On the contrary, any Queen fan owes him a lot, admit it or not.
Oh, and if this helps the duscussion in any way, I wrote to John through Jacky (Official Fan Club) in1997 or 1998. I thanked him for everything he did, told him my fan story and asked him not to retire. Jacky seemed gladly surprised that I mentioned a retirement possibility and thanked me for my email, saying something like: "I hope he listens to you" or something to that effect.
I have no more facts than you stated above to base my assumptions, but I would sadly have to bet that he is in a mental state of mind which is "fragile"(Roger's words) and also makes him unconfortable in front of crowds. I can bet it is not only a personal decision, but maybe it could be that coupled with some sort of mental condition. I can only hope that does not stop him from being happy, as I wish him the best every single day of his life.
Love John forever.
Cheers,
Ogre-
cmsdrums · Member since
Whilst John OWES us nothing, it would certainly be NICE if he recognised the fans with an occasional something such as a letter to the fan club, a web posting, signing the annual fan club xmas card, or a quote for new release press releases. This way he would still not have to have any direct face to face interaction with fans, press, record company execs etc...whilst giving something for the fans that enables him to retire at about 40 years old!!
A step up from that would have been attending and maybe doing a photo call at the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame, or Stormtroopers In Stilletos, or WWRY opening etc....he wouldn't have had to play or speak, and I feel almost sorry for him in that he is missing out on receiving the recognition and admiration he would receive at those events (and that he deserves) for his career. Yes, he is probably quite happy to not seek that attention or admiration and so coupled with a social phobia then this is probably not an option.
DrumSter · Member since
Let's not forget that by 1993 he was still involved. Roger said in interview in 1993 that he and John are going to continue as Queen with or without Brian. Roger and John performed in 93 and started MIH project. He played at a SAS band gig at 95 and particapated in 96-97 SAS recordings. In 99, according to Cyberbarn interview, there were plans for all three of them to perform with a guest singer in the near future.
For a long time I believed that he may have some mental problems. Brian and Roger could never explain what's the reason for his absence, they give the same odd explanations for almost 15 years. But he wouldn't be allowed to drive a car with mental problems. And you can see him behind the wheel on one of pictures.
Hoopsie · Member since
Good grief, the man retired and wants to be 100% done with his old job like 99% of the schmucks in the world that hated going to work half their lives.
The end.
You would all do well to remember that correlation does not equal causation.
All these crackpot theories only illustrate the deeper issues within each poster far more than they have anything to do with John Deacon.
Respect his decision, enjoy what he gave you, and leave the man and his memory in peace.
jeffuk49 · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]Hoopsie wrote:[/b]
Good grief, the man retired and wants to be 100% done with his old job like 99% of the schmucks in the world that hated going to work half their lives.
The end.
You would all do well to remember that correlation does not equal causation.
All these crackpot theories only illustrate the deeper issues within each poster far more than they have anything to do with John Deacon.
Respect his decision, enjoy what he gave you, and leave the man and his memory in peace.[/QUOTE]
Hey I have suffered with depression and i could still drive a car
jeffuk49 · Member since
I do love this speculation regarding John, perhaps he has thought I know I'll retire at 50 put my feet up and enjoy my family
Chrisallstar · Member since
Or possibly he did suffer from severe depression. During the 80s when Queen were on hiatus he got depressed as there was nothing to do and Brian, Roger and Freddie were doing their various solo projects. Therefore in the late 90s and no prospect of queen recording or doing a meaningful tour it is quite possible that he got depressed and distanced himself from music completely.
Has it occurred to anyone that perhaps Brian and Roger have closed ranks on the subject of John and spin out the same lines about him being fragile but still looking at the finances because that is what they agreed with John to say when asked by press?
Let's not forget they protected Freddie in a similar fashion when asked questions by the press.
As others have pointed out John was open as performing as Queen up until 1998 and then something changed. I remember reading an article by jacky in the fan club magazine where she visited Brian, Roger and John as they were in Roger's studio in late 1997. She said that as she walked back to her car she heard them rehearse the opening bars of "innuendo". So they must have been planning something at some stage...I guess we'll never know the real reason.
It's odd that John doesn't even contribute with interviews for documentaries, and it's clear that he had some sort of anxiety attack when he was planning to attend the Stormptroopers in Stilletoes exhibition.
I don't think there has been a major bust up just a drifting apart over the years. And now if he was to make a public appearance at a Queen event there would be so much focus on him because he hasn't been properly seen or spoken to in nearly twenty years...so a bit of a catch 22 situation for John now.
ludwigs · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]Hoopsie wrote:[/b]
Good grief, the man retired and wants to be 100% done with his old job like 99% of the schmucks in the world that hated going to work half their lives.
The end.
You would all do well to remember that correlation does not equal causation.
All these crackpot theories only illustrate the deeper issues within each poster far more than they have anything to do with John Deacon.
Respect his decision, enjoy what he gave you, and leave the man and his memory in peace.[/QUOTE]
^^^^^^^^
Exactly. That time I luckily bumped into him, he certainly didn't look like a man with the weight of the world on his shoulders! He was VERY amiable.
Nice if he did maybe write a short note to thank the fans for their support - would that pacify the hounds?
TRS-Romania · Member since
John has always been a bit socially awkward during the Queen years. Just the way he responded, walked, acted ... (look at the Hungarian footage -off stage- near the river) or the Wembley 86 after party (where he crawls under a table) or the way he talked/responded during interviews. He seems to be extremely uncomfortable with it all.
I am just guessing that John never ever expected Queen to become as big as it became, but for perhaps financial stability (he got married to Veronica in '75 and started a family) did make him decide not to leave the band. During the years you could figure out that John was rather with his family and when not on tour or in the studio, he was constantly on holiday (just read the ”John” messages in the Fanclub magazines). He was also not fond of recording (or writing songs) as he rather played his bit and then disappear. Of course he wrote a number of Queen songs, but was never ”convinced” that they would be good songs which shows his insecurities.
I think he felt socially and partially financially forced to remain within Queen after they became successful , as he did not really enjoy the live shows nor the traveling, nor did he like the interest in him as a person (by the press or fans).
Regarding the fall-out with Brian and Roger, I do actually think this did happen and that he did not want the Queen brand to be mis-used for the purpose of making money. Still being a director and shareholder in Queen Productions, the only option was to silently ”agree”, whereas my assumption is that what Brian and Roger have done over the years was utter crap (again, this is what I think John thinks about the > 1997 period). Brian and Roger are both highly uncomfortable when being asked about John during interviews (just see Brian's facial expression) and John has just retired and I am sure he does NOT get involved in any decision on releasing new compilation albums, the WWRY musical, nor the Queen+ initiatives. I actually think John has given Brian and Roger carte blanche, as long as he collects his royalties on the matter. Why else would he not be in touch with Roger and Brian? I can only conclude he holds a grudge against them.
The fact that John does not want to appear in public is his right, but quite odd in a ”social” sense of the word. He is a recluse, doesn't want to do anything with the band (or its fans) and I do think he has some social behavioural issues (perhaps these are caused by other personal matters we don't know about).
Just my thoughts on the matter....
Chrisallstar · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]ludwigs wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]Hoopsie wrote:[/b]
Good grief, the man retired and wants to be 100% done with his old job like 99% of the schmucks in the world that hated going to work half their lives.
The end.
You would all do well to remember that correlation does not equal causation.
All these crackpot theories only illustrate the deeper issues within each poster far more than they have anything to do with John Deacon.
Respect his decision, enjoy what he gave you, and leave the man and his memory in peace.[/QUOTE]
^^^^^^^^
Exactly. That time I luckily bumped into him, he certainly didn't look like a man with the weight of the world on his shoulders! He was VERY amiable.
Nice if he did maybe write a short note to thank the fans for their support - would that pacify the hounds?
[/QUOTE]
Hi Ludwigs, very interesting point you make. Out of interest where did you meet him, did he discuss Queen at all?
bucsateflon · Member since
Is it true that his only friend and allied in the band was Freddie?
Good grief, the man retired and wants to be 100% done with his old job like 99% of the schmucks in the world that hated going to work half their lives. The end.
You would all do well to remember that correlation does not equal causation. All these crackpot theories only illustrate the deeper issues within each poster far more than they have anything to do with John Deacon. Respect his decision, enjoy what he gave you, and leave the man and his memory in peace.[/QUOTE]
^^^^^^^^ Exactly. That time I luckily bumped into him, he certainly didn't look like a man with the weight of the world on his shoulders! He was VERY amiable.
Nice if he did maybe write a short note to thank the fans for their support - would that pacify the hounds? [/QUOTE] ...
No ...it would only encourage the hounds ... and draw unwanted attention to himself.
inu-liger · Member since
Does anyone else think that perhaps by some small chance, John could possibly have a mild case of Asperger's? Some of the comments above did get me really thinking there, and considering I've got that too, it would certainly explain a lot of things. Social awkwardness is definitely a big factor, as are the confidence issues.
And John did have some special interests, particularly around electronics that were put to unusual use (built his own tape recorder to record off the radio, built the "Deacy Amp" out of scrap, etc.)
Rick · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]Negative Creep wrote:[/b]
Just incase anyone is still daft enough to think they didn't fall out, let's recall John Deacon's comments at a Popbitch fundraising event (if Roger and Brian's catty remarks aren't enough for ya!)
"Roger and Brian got together to do the song with Robbie Williams but I told them I had retired.
"I didn't want to be involved with it and I'm glad. I've heard what they did and it's rubbish.
"It is one of the greatest songs ever written but I think they've ruined it. I don't want to be nasty but let's just say Robbie Williams is no Freddie Mercury. Freddie can never be replaced - and certainly not by him."
He also put the kibosh on a Queen reunion with Williams fronting it. Sometime later he gives up his veto, presumably to avoid further arguments and effectively letting them just get on with it.
Them falling out and John wanting a quiet life aren't mutually exclusive. It's fairly fucking obvious he wants a private life and doesn't want to tour in some Queen+ nightmare - hence them falling out. If he didn't agree with the Williams collaboration, it seems unlikely he agrees with anything else they've done under the name since...![/QUOTE]
