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Pingfah
miraclesteinway, your main post in this thread was superb.
Myself, I have been accused of being gay on several occasions, all while defending a gay friend from bigots bullying him. At no point did I defend myself from it, because I didn't want to give the impression that it was something that should need defending from, and being straight I have the luxury of being able to take that sort of thing on the chin from time to time as it is a rare occurrence. My heart goes out to anybody who has had to deny their own sexuality to avoid a beating.
Myself, I have been accused of being gay on several occasions, all while defending a gay friend from bigots bullying him. At no point did I defend myself from it, because I didn't want to give the impression that it was something that should need defending from, and being straight I have the luxury of being able to take that sort of thing on the chin from time to time as it is a rare occurrence. My heart goes out to anybody who has had to deny their own sexuality to avoid a beating.
7thStranger
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master marathon runner
"when Queen were a second rate band" ,- nah, that one passed me by.
Just look at their catalogue and see how well they sold, the countless polls they dominated for years, the sell out tours, endless plaudits, no," second rate band" really doesn't apply.
Just look at their catalogue and see how well they sold, the countless polls they dominated for years, the sell out tours, endless plaudits, no," second rate band" really doesn't apply.
Ozz
[QUOTE] [b]7thStranger wrote:[/b]
To be quite frank, I seen a lot of homophobic remarks coming from many Queen fans who are adement that he was not attracted to men. If you search this forum for any thread relating to Jim Hutton, the speech ranges from "I don't care la la la la head in the sand" to "Jim just used Freddie, who was OBVIOUSLY confused, I mean, he loved Mary, right??"
He was partnered to a man under whose love and care he passed. The disrespect for Freddie and for all queer men and women that I've seen here and elsewhere is disturbing.[/QUOTE]
Spot on.
The amount of denial about Freddie's preferences is astounding. I think it's because during Queen's career, Freddie always gave a strong Alpha vibe that people just can't associate with gay people. Besides during the 90's the media tried to rewrite history, putting Mary in the spotlight as Freddie's true love. (Maybe it helped to boost sales way more than talking about Jim).
To be quite frank, I seen a lot of homophobic remarks coming from many Queen fans who are adement that he was not attracted to men. If you search this forum for any thread relating to Jim Hutton, the speech ranges from "I don't care la la la la head in the sand" to "Jim just used Freddie, who was OBVIOUSLY confused, I mean, he loved Mary, right??"
He was partnered to a man under whose love and care he passed. The disrespect for Freddie and for all queer men and women that I've seen here and elsewhere is disturbing.[/QUOTE]
Spot on.
The amount of denial about Freddie's preferences is astounding. I think it's because during Queen's career, Freddie always gave a strong Alpha vibe that people just can't associate with gay people. Besides during the 90's the media tried to rewrite history, putting Mary in the spotlight as Freddie's true love. (Maybe it helped to boost sales way more than talking about Jim).
gerry
Yes even Brian May tried to twist things about Freddies sexuality saying he used to go out with girls,
and we never thought he was gay back then.
Suddenly May and Taylor had venom in there eyes for Paul Prenter who they blamed for taking Freddie
to sleazy bars in New York, Germany, Hamburg etc........
This was the beginning of the end and destroyed Freddie, he craved more and more danger.
and we never thought he was gay back then.
Suddenly May and Taylor had venom in there eyes for Paul Prenter who they blamed for taking Freddie
to sleazy bars in New York, Germany, Hamburg etc........
This was the beginning of the end and destroyed Freddie, he craved more and more danger.
miraclesteinway
The whole Paul Prenter thing that all came out around the time of the Days of Our Lives documentary, was a little bit on the sleazy side - the way they spoke about him, the way they basically blamed him for Freddie's death (or - stopped short of doing so).
Believe it or not I know a relative of Paul Prenter, and this relative didn't know Freddie but his family met him once or twice. Anyway, Paul Prenter fell out with his whole family, having had some personality issues, like controlling behaviour and being bad with money, and never taking responsibility for his actions towards other people.
However, I do think that whatever happened between Freddie and Paul Prenter, was obviously something that Freddie was happy to go along with at the time. This isn't a judgement on his character. It's a fact that Freddie enjoyed living the rock and roll lifestyle, and was happy to take cocaine, drink more than he could cope with and have sex more times than he could remember. Even Freddie admitted this himself, in that very candid David Wigg interview in 1987.
I think any one of us in Freddie's situation might well have done the same thing at that time. The other members of the band have also behaved in ways that leave them open to judgement from the public and press. The difference with a rock star and the rest of us (or an actor and the rest of us, or a priest, or a politician) is that usually the rest of us don't have to have our indiscretions pasted all over the newspapers and spoken about for years to come.
It seems to me that Paul Prenter was just someone in the team who could get Freddie what he wanted, when he wanted it, and yes, was probably quite happy to party on Freddie's tab. Then, unfortunately, he went off and sold his story to the Sun, which was the wrong thing to do. By then, Paul Prenter was a dying man in a complete mess, and while it's no excuse for his actions, it's fairly easy to see why it happened. He could probably have written to Freddie and asked for help without taking the sleazy route.
Usually in this world (I mean, the world, not simply the entertainment world), where large amounts of money and fame are concerned, there will be some hanger on somewhere willing to tag along and try to manipulate you. Add drugs and alcohol to the mix, and sex drive, and you've got a pretty volatile cocktail served up right there.
Finally, I was wondering too, Gerry, why I'd heard Brian talking about Freddie liking girls in an almost defensive way - I remember there was this documentary on in 1999, and Brian was talking about Freddie meeting Mary and going on about how in those days Freddie wasn't gay, or as gay, etc. Perhaps though, that was Brian's experience of it. Perhaps Brian thinks Freddie realised he was gay later on, and hadn't considered it previously. I think it's more likely he got himself into a relationship with a girl he probably thought was very beautiful and genuinely loved, but wasn't sexually attracted to, in the hope that somehow things would work out differently for him. Many gay people have to go through that, particularly at the time when society hadn't caught up with the idea that actually, there's nothing wrong with homosexuality.
Believe it or not I know a relative of Paul Prenter, and this relative didn't know Freddie but his family met him once or twice. Anyway, Paul Prenter fell out with his whole family, having had some personality issues, like controlling behaviour and being bad with money, and never taking responsibility for his actions towards other people.
However, I do think that whatever happened between Freddie and Paul Prenter, was obviously something that Freddie was happy to go along with at the time. This isn't a judgement on his character. It's a fact that Freddie enjoyed living the rock and roll lifestyle, and was happy to take cocaine, drink more than he could cope with and have sex more times than he could remember. Even Freddie admitted this himself, in that very candid David Wigg interview in 1987.
I think any one of us in Freddie's situation might well have done the same thing at that time. The other members of the band have also behaved in ways that leave them open to judgement from the public and press. The difference with a rock star and the rest of us (or an actor and the rest of us, or a priest, or a politician) is that usually the rest of us don't have to have our indiscretions pasted all over the newspapers and spoken about for years to come.
It seems to me that Paul Prenter was just someone in the team who could get Freddie what he wanted, when he wanted it, and yes, was probably quite happy to party on Freddie's tab. Then, unfortunately, he went off and sold his story to the Sun, which was the wrong thing to do. By then, Paul Prenter was a dying man in a complete mess, and while it's no excuse for his actions, it's fairly easy to see why it happened. He could probably have written to Freddie and asked for help without taking the sleazy route.
Usually in this world (I mean, the world, not simply the entertainment world), where large amounts of money and fame are concerned, there will be some hanger on somewhere willing to tag along and try to manipulate you. Add drugs and alcohol to the mix, and sex drive, and you've got a pretty volatile cocktail served up right there.
Finally, I was wondering too, Gerry, why I'd heard Brian talking about Freddie liking girls in an almost defensive way - I remember there was this documentary on in 1999, and Brian was talking about Freddie meeting Mary and going on about how in those days Freddie wasn't gay, or as gay, etc. Perhaps though, that was Brian's experience of it. Perhaps Brian thinks Freddie realised he was gay later on, and hadn't considered it previously. I think it's more likely he got himself into a relationship with a girl he probably thought was very beautiful and genuinely loved, but wasn't sexually attracted to, in the hope that somehow things would work out differently for him. Many gay people have to go through that, particularly at the time when society hadn't caught up with the idea that actually, there's nothing wrong with homosexuality.
gerry
Great post! Yeah Brian and Roger hated Prenter because as Brian put it, Prenter took Freddie to some seedy places and Freddie appeared naive at the time
but soon ended up loving going to more and more dangerous clubs and leather bars etc........
Prenter did however back stab Freddie after Freddies hospitality!
We will never get to know the full story, unless phoebe knows anything on this subject.
Yes Freddie loved Mary very much but i believe deep in his heart he knew he was attracted to men.
He refused Mary a baby and said he would much prefer a cat, so that says it all really.
The name Queen, must ring out a few bells too, "yes i was well aware of the gay connotations" freddie said,
Mmmmmmm that was very tongue in cheek, and Freddie must have had a chuckle when he got away with that one! Bless.
but soon ended up loving going to more and more dangerous clubs and leather bars etc........
Prenter did however back stab Freddie after Freddies hospitality!
We will never get to know the full story, unless phoebe knows anything on this subject.
Yes Freddie loved Mary very much but i believe deep in his heart he knew he was attracted to men.
He refused Mary a baby and said he would much prefer a cat, so that says it all really.
The name Queen, must ring out a few bells too, "yes i was well aware of the gay connotations" freddie said,
Mmmmmmm that was very tongue in cheek, and Freddie must have had a chuckle when he got away with that one! Bless.
pittrek
During my teenage years I didn't get any negative responses, most of my friends liked the hard rock / heavy metal and punk rocks scenes, and all of them had lots of respect to the "old rock bands" like Queen. But after I became an adult, there were people who reacted "strangely" when they realized I like Queen (giggles, comments like "don't be afraid I won't tell anybody"...) I quite don't understand it to be honest.