You people are overstating the matter here. Yes, it's been doctored. But much more subtly than, say, LIVE KILLERS. Come on, what were you expecting? However, statements like "but I have absolutely no idea what I am listening to. Certainly not what the band was playing or what the audience was hearing on the night... " are utter bullshit. We have fragmentary audience recordings for comparison - that says enough.
Supersonic_Man89 · Member since
When i hear Live Killers, i don't hear Freddie evolving into a robot during high notes. Which makes Live Killers a much more pleasant experience to listen to, even if it's not authentically live, at least it's authentically human to a large degree.
cmsdrums · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]Supersonic_Man89 wrote:[/b]
When i hear Live Killers, i don't hear Freddie evolving into a robot during high notes. Which makes Live Killers a much more pleasant experience to listen to, even if it's not authentically live, at least it's authentically human to a large degree.[/QUOTE]
Live Killers is pretty much authentically live - yes it features performances from different shows, but far less in the way of studio overdubs than most live albums.
When i hear Live Killers, i don't hear Freddie evolving into a robot during high notes. Which makes Live Killers a much more pleasant experience to listen to, even if it's not authentically live, at least it's authentically human to a large degree.[/QUOTE]
Live Killers is pretty much authentically live - yes it features performances from different shows, but far less in the way of studio overdubs than most live albums.[/QUOTE]
Don't Stop Me Now intro?
thomasquinn 32989 · Member since
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[b]Supersonic_Man89 wrote: [/b] When i hear Live Killers, i don't hear Freddie evolving into a robot during high notes. Which makes Live Killers a much more pleasant experience to listen to, even if it's not authentically live, at least it's authentically human to a large degree.[/QUOTE]
I think you are dramatically overstating the degree of warping of the vocals. The length of time it took before someone even brought it up is a testament to that.
When i hear Live Killers, i don't hear Freddie evolving into a robot during high notes. Which makes Live Killers a much more pleasant experience to listen to, even if it's not authentically live, at least it's authentically human to a large degree.[/QUOTE]
Live Killers is pretty much authentically live - yes it features performances from different shows, but far less in the way of studio overdubs than most live albums.[/QUOTE]
Don't Stop Me Now intro?[/QUOTE]
That, much of We are the Champions, and Roger's top note in the middle eight of '39. Those are all the major ones that I can recall.
tomchristie22 · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]thomasquinn 32989 wrote:[/b]
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[b]Supersonic_Man89 wrote: [/b] When i hear Live Killers, i don't hear Freddie evolving into a robot during high notes. Which makes Live Killers a much more pleasant experience to listen to, even if it's not authentically live, at least it's authentically human to a large degree.[/QUOTE]
I think you are dramatically overstating the degree of warping of the vocals. The length of time it took before someone even brought it up is a testament to that.[/QUOTE]
True - I was thinking about this a bit. Once you notice it, it's pretty obvious ... I guess the excitement of how good the first section sounded, especially the vocal harmonies, led people to post very positively without having listened to the entire thing very carefully (well - the entire iTunes preview which we had at the time, which faded in at 'Pedagogue, squinting...' and faded out sometime close to the end). That and the fact that it was a live version of Fairy Feller - lots of hype.
Mrmarioanonym · Member since
actually, people commented on it pretty much immediately.
Rick · Member since
Be happy with what you got. I think it sounds amazing (despite some questionable decisions). We got a live version of a song that was probably played only once and still people are complaining. Unbelievable. The Rainbow release is one of the best, if not THE best, in the last ten years.
thomasquinn 32989 · Member since
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[b]Rick wrote: [/b] Be happy with what you got. I think it sounds amazing (despite some questionable decisions). We got a live version of a song that was probably played only once and still people are complaining. Unbelievable. The Rainbow release is one of the best, if not THE best, in the last ten years.[/QUOTE]
I have no hesitations at all in calling it THE best release since 1995.
tomchristie22 · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]Rick wrote:[/b]
We got a live version of a song that was probably played only once and still people are complaining. Unbelievable. [/QUOTE]
I think it's fair to complain when the climactic moments of said live song are so conspicuously tainted. In fact, it's absolutely fair to complain when the release could have been miles better than it ended up being,* had they simply [b]not done[/b] this one thing to it. All they had to do was leave the pitch alone.
Basically, it's not as if the complaining you refer to is some sort of general unsatisfiable whining; the criticism is directed at a single and very precise aspect of the release - the post-production treatment of the vocals.
So yes, we got a live version of a song which was only played once, but we got it in a rather poorer state than it should have, and could so easily have been in. What's more, because this is now considered the definitive release of it, it's quite possible we'll never hear it in its most authentic form.
* Even if Freddie completely botched the notes which have had the most extensive pitch correction applied, I'd still much rather listen to that.
Biggus Dickus · Member since
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[b]tomchristie22 wrote: [/b] [QUOTE] [b]Rick wrote:[/b] We got a live version of a song that was probably played only once and still people are complaining. Unbelievable. [/QUOTE]
I think it's fair to complain when the climactic moments of said live song are so conspicuously tainted. In fact, it's absolutely fair to complain when the release could have been miles better than it ended up being,* had they simply [b]not done[/b] this one thing to it. All they had to do was leave the pitch alone.
Basically, it's not as if the complaining you refer to is some sort of general unsatisfiable whining; the criticism is directed at a single and very precise aspect of the release - the post-production treatment of the vocals.
So yes, we got a live version of a song which was only played once, but we got it in a rather poorer state than it should have, and could so easily have been in. What's more, because this is now considered the definitive release of it, it's quite possible we'll never hear it in its most authentic form.
* [b]Even if Freddie completely botched the notes which have had the most extensive pitch correction applied, I'd still much rather listen to that.[/b][/QUOTE] ^^ I agree with this. It annoys me how it seems the QPL are on the crusade to leave an immaculate image of Freddie as a live singer for posterity. Anyone who knows their stuff know this isn't the truth. One other example. We all know the Rock In Rio 1985 VHS didn't have the best sound mix, but for my ears It's a Hard Life from the 2nd CD of The Works 2011 remaster sounds even worse now. The drums sound really compressed and unnatural (like they did with the Rainbow '74 release) and it annoys me they've corrected Freddie forgetting the words and replaced that little rough sounding Bb4 note at the end with this totally unnaturally clean note. I like to hear things as they happened, not as the QPL would have preferred it happening in the first place.
brENsKi · Member since
'cept that they're not, are they?
all they're doing is exactly what every band in the music industry has done to their live recordings - since live albums were "the big thing" - ie the 1970s.
pick a live album and search for "overdubs" and you'll see that very very few classic live albums were untouched.
In fact, some classics - Thin Lizzy's "Live and Dangerous" was redone untouched four years ago to show what it should've sounded like. The original release was said to have only one genuinely live aspect of the recording untouched - and that was the crowd noise
Supersonic_Man89 · Member since
I think we all appreciate that the band want to release the best representation of the group live as possible, that's something we all understand. However, there's better and more subtle ways to do this. The It's a Hard Life dub for example...thankfully, it doesn't sound digitally autotuned but it still seems out of place...i couldn't even tell you if it was Freddie? If they weren't happy with the end of Rio note, what about swapping it with a slightly better note from a another performance of It's A Hard Life...at least it would Freddie live dubbed with Freddie live...rather than whatever we got.
They may not have been able to do that with FFMS, however i really think there are better solutions available than to what we got.
Saint Jiub · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]Supersonic_Man89 wrote:[/b]
They may not have been able to do that with FFMS, however i really think there are better solutions available than to what we got. [/QUOTE]
... and their were probably worse solutions ...
Based on QPL past history, I am surprised that Rainbow was released at all.
Fortunately, "we" got a tolerable compromise rather than nothing at all.
