Just wondering, anyone else excited about having a "Roger in a box" drum pack?! - https://youtu.be/btk7FTobl5k
http://www.spitfireaudio.com/the-grange
Adam Baboolal
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Togg
I would be if it had been using his more traditional drum set-up, I love is big Ludwig drum sound, particularly the early stuff, but this kit just doesnt do it for me, I thought it sounded weak in the recent tour, I hate the small toms, the kick and snare sounded good but I miss the depth of the tom rolls.
thomasquinn 32989
I think the use of sampled drums is something to be lamented, not applauded.
cmsdrums
Like Togg, I'd love a true sample of Roger's snare sound (and a clean kick), but would want the toms to be his traditional deep ones and not the trendy 'hyperdrive' style.
I remember about 15 years ago or so there was an article in one of the Fan Club magazines to say that a CD of Roger's samples was being worked on for release and I got really excited; like lots of Queen projects though that never materialised. I wonder if they got as far as recording the samples, and if so what happened to those files?
I remember about 15 years ago or so there was an article in one of the Fan Club magazines to say that a CD of Roger's samples was being worked on for release and I got really excited; like lots of Queen projects though that never materialised. I wonder if they got as far as recording the samples, and if so what happened to those files?
Adam Baboolal
Here's the First look which has demos of all the kits, including Roger's - https://youtu.be/K0Zpy9yAtVw
And here's bonus footage of Roger - https://youtu.be/6LzhKnLaOTg
@thomasquinn 32989 - Not everyone has the ability or technical know how to record real drums, so packs like these are a god send for them. However, even records put out now, will typically use some samples of real drums. That goes for "real" rock bands, too.
And here's bonus footage of Roger - https://youtu.be/6LzhKnLaOTg
@thomasquinn 32989 - Not everyone has the ability or technical know how to record real drums, so packs like these are a god send for them. However, even records put out now, will typically use some samples of real drums. That goes for "real" rock bands, too.
thomasquinn 32989
Yes, and I find that regrettable, not laudable. The fact that the industry uses it does not suddenly make something great - see drum pads in the '80s: extremely popular, lousy sound. Yes, drums are difficult to record properly, and so it might often be easier to use a sample. That does not mean it's better. I find the overuse of sampling deeply regrettable, just like I find the overuse of post-processing tools like Melodyne deeply regrettable. In my opinion, it detracts more than it adds. This is yet another step in the direction of producer-based music rather than artist-based music, and that is never a good thing.
cmsdrums
[QUOTE] [b]thomasquinn 32989 wrote:[/b]
Yes, and I find that regrettable, not laudable. The fact that the industry uses it does not suddenly make something great - see drum pads in the '80s: extremely popular, lousy sound. Yes, drums are difficult to record properly, and so it might often be easier to use a sample. That does not mean it's better. I find the overuse of sampling deeply regrettable, just like I find the overuse of post-processing tools like Melodyne deeply regrettable. In my opinion, it detracts more than it adds. This is yet another step in the direction of producer-based music rather than artist-based music, and that is never a good thing.[/QUOTE]
Agreed; listen to any rock album from the 70s, and into the early 80s and you get some many different and distinguishable drum sounds. The last 10-15 years has seen so many of the latest bands all sounding like clones due to the producers all using the same (mostly great sounding but also sterile) sample packs!
Yes, and I find that regrettable, not laudable. The fact that the industry uses it does not suddenly make something great - see drum pads in the '80s: extremely popular, lousy sound. Yes, drums are difficult to record properly, and so it might often be easier to use a sample. That does not mean it's better. I find the overuse of sampling deeply regrettable, just like I find the overuse of post-processing tools like Melodyne deeply regrettable. In my opinion, it detracts more than it adds. This is yet another step in the direction of producer-based music rather than artist-based music, and that is never a good thing.[/QUOTE]
Agreed; listen to any rock album from the 70s, and into the early 80s and you get some many different and distinguishable drum sounds. The last 10-15 years has seen so many of the latest bands all sounding like clones due to the producers all using the same (mostly great sounding but also sterile) sample packs!
people on streets
[QUOTE] [b]thomasquinn 32989 wrote:[/b]
This is yet another step in the direction of producer-based music rather than artist-based music, and that is never a good thing.[/QUOTE]
I agree, but I think it all depends on what kind of music you like.
This is yet another step in the direction of producer-based music rather than artist-based music, and that is never a good thing.[/QUOTE]
I agree, but I think it all depends on what kind of music you like.
Haystacks Calhoun II
[QUOTE] [b]thomasquinn 32989 wrote:[/b]
Yes, and I find that regrettable, not laudable. The fact that the industry uses it does not suddenly make something great - see drum pads in the '80s: extremely popular, lousy sound. Yes, drums are difficult to record properly, and so it might often be easier to use a sample. That does not mean it's better. I find the overuse of sampling deeply regrettable, just like I find the overuse of post-processing tools like Melodyne deeply regrettable. In my opinion, it detracts more than it adds. This is yet another step in the direction of producer-based music rather than artist-based music, and that is never a good thing.[/QUOTE]
What he said.
Yes, and I find that regrettable, not laudable. The fact that the industry uses it does not suddenly make something great - see drum pads in the '80s: extremely popular, lousy sound. Yes, drums are difficult to record properly, and so it might often be easier to use a sample. That does not mean it's better. I find the overuse of sampling deeply regrettable, just like I find the overuse of post-processing tools like Melodyne deeply regrettable. In my opinion, it detracts more than it adds. This is yet another step in the direction of producer-based music rather than artist-based music, and that is never a good thing.[/QUOTE]
What he said.
JomaDuckSoup
Yes, I'm really sad about Roger's recent Kit and sound. I miss the big Toms very much :(
He always had this deep and rich and majestic toms sound.
It's gone :(
He always had this deep and rich and majestic toms sound.
It's gone :(
Oscar J
Roger's old and weak now - maybe he just can't hit hard enough to make those big toms sing properly?
Togg
Roger stated back as far as '84 in Modern Drummer mag that he really liked the sound of small toms (like Stewart Copeland used) and that they were much easier to Mic... thankfully it took a long time before he shifted over to them. To be totally honest the size of the drum is much less a factor of the sound as you'd imagine, you can get small drums to sound large and vice versa, the roll on WARC goes from high concert tom straight to low floor tom in one go, most people wouldn't even notice that, I always used to wonder how he did it until I saw the film of them recording it and saw that he placed the high tom over the floor toms on that session.
As much as anything I miss the look of the old kit, the new one is much less impossing and just doesnt have the stage presence, if you listen closely you can tell they are smaller drums but its probably only a drummer that would notice it. I bit like swapping a strat for a tele, Joe public wouldn't notice the difference...
As much as anything I miss the look of the old kit, the new one is much less impossing and just doesnt have the stage presence, if you listen closely you can tell they are smaller drums but its probably only a drummer that would notice it. I bit like swapping a strat for a tele, Joe public wouldn't notice the difference...