US Supreme Court rules in favor of same sex marriage
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*goodco* · Member since
Finally catching up with the rest of the civilized world. This makes it legal in 14 of the 50 states that did not allow/recognize this.
25th of the last 26 rulings made by the 6th Circuit Court that SCOTUS has overturned.
The Real Wizard · Member since
Millions of people in the bible belt are freaking out like the apocalypse has arrived.
Meanwhile, the rest of the civilized world doesn't even notice or care since everyone else finds it common sense not to discriminate against someone's sexual orientation.
Good job, USA. One step closer to being a civilized country. Now you just have to deal with the NRA, health insurance companies, Israel, Wall Street, Comcast, and the military industrial complex.
Saint Jiub · Member since
Does this mean the US is more "civilized" than any European country south of Denmark and east of France?
I never realized that most of Europe is "uncivilized".
Switzerland, Germany and Austria have civil unions (Australia too), so yes, the US are the last on board with the rest of the civilized world. But of course you knew that, because you researched this before you posted..
Sure, civil partnerships usually don't have the same status as marriage, but the difference between these places and the US is that when the day comes that gay couples finally receive the same rights as straight couples, a quarter of the population isn't going to act like the apocalypse is upon us. It will merely be a formality.
Have you been on the internet in the last couple days? It's like we're in the 16th century, but instead of an angry mob with torches you have hoards of people declaring that the country is doomed and that all gay people are going to a mythical and unmapped location called hell because their invisible man in the sky says marriage is between a man and a woman (even though marriage pre-dates their religion, but since when have religion and logic mixed?).
I digress. I don't think anyone from Lithuania would be offended if you told them that their country isn't as developed as Norway. My point stands.
On this issue, yes, the US is more civilized than most of the world now. Congratulations. But that's just on a political level. You will officially join the rest of the civilized world in practice when you have a population that refers to "gay marriage" as "marriage." That is still decades away, at least.
Also note that it is currently legal in 28 states for an employer to fire an employee for being gay.
You still have a long way to go.
The King Of Rhye · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]The Real Wizard wrote:[/b]
Millions of people in the bible belt are freaking out like the apocalypse has arrived.
Meanwhile, the rest of the civilized world doesn't even notice or care since everyone else finds it common sense not to discriminate against someone's sexual orientation.
Good job, USA. One step closer to being a civilized country. Now you just have to deal with the NRA, health insurance companies, Israel, Wall Street, Comcast, and the military industrial complex.
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I have seen some of the reactions and arguments (if you can call them that)......they're just pretty ridiculous really......
There's the one that says it's unconstitutional.....(never mind the 1st and 14th Amendments, I guess)
And then somehow, I guess this will lead to churches being forced to perform gay marriages and anyone who says something bad about it will be prosecuted......and even put to death (yes, I actually saw one guy claiming that in a discussion thread)
Oh, and there's always the 'because the bible said so' argument....as if that matters.....
magicalfreddiemercury · Member since
Meanwhile in Alabama, some probate judges are refusing to issue ANY marriage licenses rather than be forced to issue them to same-sex couples.
That move has excited a particular republican representative from Iowa who is now planning to take that idea to the federal level. He said he's going to introduce legislation eliminating civil marriage nation-wide so the country can "go back to holy matrimony". His plan is simple - without government involved, and with only the church involved, the "problem" of same-sex marriage will be solved since churches cannot be compelled by law to marry homosexual couples. Therefore, in his view, no one including probate judges will have to compromise their religious beliefs in order to comply with the law.
These people, hiding behind their religion in such disgusting ways, is nothing new, but is as sickening as ever. There's little doubt it'll be a major issue during the next presidential campaign. In a way I'm saddened by that because of the pain it will cause so many, but in a way I'm looking forward to it because this country is slowly wising up on this issue. By 2016, I doubt there will much tolerance for intolerance regarding it.
Switzerland, Germany and Austria have civil unions (Australia too), so yes, the US are the last on board with the rest of the civilized world. But of course you knew that, because you researched this before you posted..
Sure, civil partnerships usually don't have the same status as marriage, but the difference between these places and the US is that when the day comes that gay couples finally receive the same rights as straight couples, a quarter of the population isn't going to act like the apocalypse is upon us. It will merely be a formality.
Have you been on the internet in the last couple days? It's like we're in the 16th century, but instead of an angry mob with torches you have hoards of people declaring that the country is doomed and that all gay people are going to a mythical and unmapped location called hell because their invisible man in the sky says marriage is between a man and a woman (even though marriage pre-dates their religion, but since when have religion and logic mixed?).
I digress. I don't think anyone from Lithuania would be offended if you told them that their country isn't as developed as Norway. My point stands.
On this issue, yes, the US is more civilized than most of the world now. Congratulations. But that's just on a political level. You will officially join the rest of the civilized world in practice when you have a population that refers to "gay marriage" as "marriage." That is still decades away, at least.
Also note that it is currently legal in 28 states for an employer to fire an employee for being gay.
You still have a long way to go. [/QUOTE]
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Civil unions only convey 2nd class status, and convey few of the rights that really matter ...
[b]magicalfreddiemercury wrote: [/b] Meanwhile in Alabama, some probate judges are refusing to issue ANY marriage licenses rather than be forced to issue them to same-sex couples.
That move has excited a particular republican representative from Iowa who is now planning to take that idea to the federal level. He said he's going to introduce legislation eliminating civil marriage nation-wide so the country can "go back to holy matrimony". His plan is simple - without government involved, and with only the church involved, the "problem" of same-sex marriage will be solved since churches cannot be compelled by law to marry homosexual couples. Therefore, in his view, no one including probate judges will have to compromise their religious beliefs in order to comply with the law.
These people, hiding behind their religion in such disgusting ways, is nothing new, but is as sickening as ever. There's little doubt it'll be a major issue during the next presidential campaign. In a way I'm saddened by that because of the pain it will cause so many, but in a way I'm looking forward to it because this country is slowly wising up on this issue. By 2016, I doubt there will much tolerance for intolerance regarding it.
This is a great decision, but also an inevitable one. The supreme court had no legal grounds to rule against marriage equality, so even opponents (at least those who actually use their brains and not just their gut feelings) knew that this was going to be their ruling. If you look at this from a legal-historical point of view, the seeds for this ruling were laid even before the Civil War with the political compromises between 1820 and 1850 on the legal status of slaves brought from slave states into free states. I don't think the slave-owners who pushed for those decisions would have liked this result, though. Equal rights resulting from some of the most inhumane and anti-humanitarian legal decisions made in modern history, who would have thought!
The last few weeks have seen a number of great decisions in the USA. The supreme court ruling on the Affordable Care Act, its ruling that states have the authority to ban symbols like the Confederate battle flag from vanity plates, the LONG overdue decision to remove the Confederate battle flag from government buildings in several states, and now, the ruling on same-sex marriage. The USA has always been a mixed bag - but when progressive decisions ARE made, they don't usually take half measures, even if it does take them ages to finally make the decision. Still, many European countries that are, in theory, more progressive than the USA have a lot to learn - for instance regarding the legalized sale of marijuana in Colorado - while they are making real progress, raising state revenue and slashing the financial arteries of organized crime, the Netherlands, who used to lead the way in that field, are now backtracking in such a way that organized crime is getting ever MORE control as a DIRECT result of government decisions.
The Real Wizard · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]Panchgani wrote:[/b]
Civil unions only convey 2nd class status, and convey few of the rights that really matter ...
Virtually any news article on the subject has people declaring that the US has gone to hell with this decision, and that all homosexuals will be going there ... wherever this mythical place is.
And the above same link shows an 18% increase in support for gay marriage in the past three years. This is significant.
pittrek · Member since
I can't understand all the hatred. As a heterosexual man my only reaction was "Oh. OK, good for them.". If I was homosexual, I would probably be happy. But still I read everywhere crap about human extinction, about burning in hell, end of civilisation etc.
brENsKi · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]Panchgani wrote:[/b]
I would like for civil marriage to be abolished. It might end social & financial discrimination against single people.[/QUOTE]
so very much wrong with this ^^^, don't know where to begin. oh wait, it's another throwaway exclusive from Panchgani....
sometimes ALL we need to know about a statement is it's author
Saint Jiub · Member since
[QUOTE]
[b]brENsKi wrote: [/b] [QUOTE] [b]Panchgani wrote:[/b] I would like for civil marriage to be abolished. It might end social & financial discrimination against single people.[/QUOTE]
so very much wrong with this ^^^, don't know where to begin. oh wait, it's another throwaway exclusive from Panchgani.... sometimes ALL we need to know about a statement is it's author[/QUOTE]
