"Definitive statements like "punk was shit" are stupid. "
Sorry.. punk was shit... IMHO
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master marathon runner
"What you rebelling against Johnny?"
"What you got?"
This dialogue from Brando's "The Wild One" just about sums punk up for me.
"What you got?"
This dialogue from Brando's "The Wild One" just about sums punk up for me.
Apocalipsis_Darko
Nevermind the bollocks is one of the greatest albums of the history.
Roger Taylor likes a lot that album, and also he likes The Clash and The Ramones. Said by himself.
Roger Taylor likes a lot that album, and also he likes The Clash and The Ramones. Said by himself.
Apocalipsis_Darko
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b03nh32g
Apocalipsis_Darko
About The Clash, he doesn't like the politic lyrics, that is a little ironic because Roger was the politic member of Queen...
cmsdrums
[QUOTE] [b]Apocalipsis_Darko wrote:[/b]
Nevermind the bollocks is one of the greatest albums of the history.
Roger Taylor likes a lot that album, and also he likes The Clash and The Ramones. Said by himself. [/QUOTE]
The Clash weren't exclusively a punk though, there was lot more breadth to them later on. That would be like labelling Queen a synth disco pop band after only listening to Hot Space.
'Punk' in the sense that it is being referred to here wasn't really a musical genre however, but was an 'ethos' or 'movement' (certainly in the few niche places it took off in the UK) - it just so happened that Malcolm McLaren and a few others marketed the public disaffections of the time and put them into a band, and others centred the 'punk' feel around art, fashion, politics etc...
If we're just talking about loud and angry music, the Who's 'My Generation' was every ounce 'punk' a dozen years before The Sex Pistols etc.. came to prominence.
it's the same in every single musical genre you can think of, in that there are a few innovators and generally musically adept and genuine artists, and then the record companies and bands jump on the bandwagon and create a shedload of copycat acts that are a pale imitation. In the case of 'punk', the original acts that were lauded and got a lot of press were, with only a couple of exceptions, generally pretty crap and so the watered down copycats after were even worse!
The only bands that started with a punk ethos and mindset that really became successful and interesting from a musical point of view were the ones that broadened their horizons outside of the original 'three chords and shouting and spitting' format such as Blondie, Talking Heads, The Clash etc...
Nevermind the bollocks is one of the greatest albums of the history.
Roger Taylor likes a lot that album, and also he likes The Clash and The Ramones. Said by himself. [/QUOTE]
The Clash weren't exclusively a punk though, there was lot more breadth to them later on. That would be like labelling Queen a synth disco pop band after only listening to Hot Space.
'Punk' in the sense that it is being referred to here wasn't really a musical genre however, but was an 'ethos' or 'movement' (certainly in the few niche places it took off in the UK) - it just so happened that Malcolm McLaren and a few others marketed the public disaffections of the time and put them into a band, and others centred the 'punk' feel around art, fashion, politics etc...
If we're just talking about loud and angry music, the Who's 'My Generation' was every ounce 'punk' a dozen years before The Sex Pistols etc.. came to prominence.
it's the same in every single musical genre you can think of, in that there are a few innovators and generally musically adept and genuine artists, and then the record companies and bands jump on the bandwagon and create a shedload of copycat acts that are a pale imitation. In the case of 'punk', the original acts that were lauded and got a lot of press were, with only a couple of exceptions, generally pretty crap and so the watered down copycats after were even worse!
The only bands that started with a punk ethos and mindset that really became successful and interesting from a musical point of view were the ones that broadened their horizons outside of the original 'three chords and shouting and spitting' format such as Blondie, Talking Heads, The Clash etc...
Vocal harmony
The idea that Sheer Heart Attack pre dates punk because it was written at the time of album of the same name isn't quite true.
The dry sounding production (compared to previous albums) added to the overall "punk" sound of the song as did the tempo and guitar sound. It would also be interesting to hear how Roger intended the song to sound in 1974, tempo, sound and possible lyrical differences would all make a difference to how the listener perceived the song.
Yes the song/album came out during the time the media was aware of the punk movement in the UK. But I think it was Queen reflecting what was happening around them rather than leading the charge.
They repeated the exercise with their venture into disco, almost sounding like, to some die hard fans, that they had invented that too!
The dry sounding production (compared to previous albums) added to the overall "punk" sound of the song as did the tempo and guitar sound. It would also be interesting to hear how Roger intended the song to sound in 1974, tempo, sound and possible lyrical differences would all make a difference to how the listener perceived the song.
Yes the song/album came out during the time the media was aware of the punk movement in the UK. But I think it was Queen reflecting what was happening around them rather than leading the charge.
They repeated the exercise with their venture into disco, almost sounding like, to some die hard fans, that they had invented that too!
Sebastian
[QUOTE] [b]Vocal harmony wrote:[/b]
They repeated the exercise with their venture into disco, almost sounding like, to some die hard fans, that they had invented that too!
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Well, according to Brian, without 'Hot Space' there would've been no 'Thriller.' And you know the doctor's always right :p
They repeated the exercise with their venture into disco, almost sounding like, to some die hard fans, that they had invented that too!
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Well, according to Brian, without 'Hot Space' there would've been no 'Thriller.' And you know the doctor's always right :p
Apocalipsis_Darko
The Clash had the reggae influences, well, the punk in general, in the beginning. It was very casual, because the dj's from Jamaica didn't have enough punk singles, and finally played reggea and dub music.
Even Bauhaus, a "goth" band, wrote some disco/funk music.
About Hot Space and Thriller...hehehe. I never seen the connection!
Even Bauhaus, a "goth" band, wrote some disco/funk music.
About Hot Space and Thriller...hehehe. I never seen the connection!
pittrek
I always loved the Sex Pistols (their first album + some songs from the later albums, not their life styles), Clash (their music, not their political views), The Damned (again just the music), Buzzcocks, Dead Kennedys, Ramones ... As I think about it I would say I love punk MUSIC, not the punks themselves :-) But I never understood why so many people consider SHA or Modern Times r'n'r punk.
Day dop
I'm glad for the punk movement, and for some of the bands, The Sex Pistols and The Ramones being the obvious two - and those that were largely influenced by punk, especially late 80's/90's groups - Sleater-Kinney, Nirvana, Sonic Youth etc. The world of music would've been a less colourful place without it.
The Real Wizard
[QUOTE] [b]Vocal harmony wrote:[/b]
Yes the song/album came out during the time the media was aware of the punk movement in the UK. But I think it was Queen reflecting what was happening around them rather than leading the charge.
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Ding.
Yes the song/album came out during the time the media was aware of the punk movement in the UK. But I think it was Queen reflecting what was happening around them rather than leading the charge.
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Ding.
Apocalipsis_Darko
I love punk rock, I can listen X (the band from Los Angeles) and the next cd Miles Davis without problem.
Holly2003
[QUOTE] [b]Vocal harmony wrote:[/b]
The idea that Sheer Heart Attack pre dates punk because it was written at the time of album of the same name isn't quite true.
The dry sounding production (compared to previous albums) added to the overall "punk" sound of the song as did the tempo and guitar sound. It would also be interesting to hear how Roger intended the song to sound in 1974, tempo, sound and possible lyrical differences would all make a difference to how the listener perceived the song.
Yes the song/album came out during the time the media was aware of the punk movement in the UK. But I think it was Queen reflecting what was happening around them rather than leading the charge.
They repeated the exercise with their venture into disco, almost sounding like, to some die hard fans, that they had invented that too!
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Of course we'll never know until an original demo from 1974 appears, if it even exists at all. I am speculating based on the evidence currently available -- a scored/ruined album back cover* which is similar to designs punks would later use and the possibility that the song SHA was 'punk-like' from its conception (which may be why it wasn't released back in 74-75). The comparison with Hot Space isn't like for like as funk had been around for decades and disco for years when HS was released. Here I'm talking about Roger possibly being ahead of the game, or at least the possibility of him being influenced by proto punk stuff in the early 1970s.
* no idea who came up with the "scored" design, but I'm struggling to think of any other hard rock bands who did this back in 1974. Maybe it was a minor tribute to Hendrix setting fire to his guitar, or Pete Townshend destroying his guitar as a tribute to Gustav Metzger performance art.
The idea that Sheer Heart Attack pre dates punk because it was written at the time of album of the same name isn't quite true.
The dry sounding production (compared to previous albums) added to the overall "punk" sound of the song as did the tempo and guitar sound. It would also be interesting to hear how Roger intended the song to sound in 1974, tempo, sound and possible lyrical differences would all make a difference to how the listener perceived the song.
Yes the song/album came out during the time the media was aware of the punk movement in the UK. But I think it was Queen reflecting what was happening around them rather than leading the charge.
They repeated the exercise with their venture into disco, almost sounding like, to some die hard fans, that they had invented that too!
[/QUOTE]
Of course we'll never know until an original demo from 1974 appears, if it even exists at all. I am speculating based on the evidence currently available -- a scored/ruined album back cover* which is similar to designs punks would later use and the possibility that the song SHA was 'punk-like' from its conception (which may be why it wasn't released back in 74-75). The comparison with Hot Space isn't like for like as funk had been around for decades and disco for years when HS was released. Here I'm talking about Roger possibly being ahead of the game, or at least the possibility of him being influenced by proto punk stuff in the early 1970s.
* no idea who came up with the "scored" design, but I'm struggling to think of any other hard rock bands who did this back in 1974. Maybe it was a minor tribute to Hendrix setting fire to his guitar, or Pete Townshend destroying his guitar as a tribute to Gustav Metzger performance art.
Rick
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imf25Squ8ro
14 songs in 26 minutes. That's a quality, too ;)
14 songs in 26 minutes. That's a quality, too ;)