Well Tero, that's my point.........in some songs Freddie came very close to the "Queen sound".......
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miraclesteinway
Well, of course he was going to come close to the Queen sound since that was his creative environment for 15 years before Bad Guy, but I think the point that is being made is that by the time he decided to record the songs as a solo album, he was trying too hard to make things sound different to Queen. In other words, he was maybe pushing the songs in directions that they weren't naturally able to go in.
It's a shame there was so much in-fighting in the band in the run-up to Bad Guy, which seems to have been resolved by the Magic Tour (is that right? were they on speaking terms by the Magic Tour?), because there could have been two or three more Queen albums of very good material in that period. Alas it was not to be.
Roger's solo output has always been the strongest, with the exception of Barcelona which I think as a piece of music is amongst the best work that any of them have been involved in.
It's a shame there was so much in-fighting in the band in the run-up to Bad Guy, which seems to have been resolved by the Magic Tour (is that right? were they on speaking terms by the Magic Tour?), because there could have been two or three more Queen albums of very good material in that period. Alas it was not to be.
Roger's solo output has always been the strongest, with the exception of Barcelona which I think as a piece of music is amongst the best work that any of them have been involved in.
Bike It 80
[QUOTE] [b]ANAGRAMER wrote:[/b]
To my ears Lets Turn It On has Brain May playing on it, just like Love Kills...[/QUOTE]
Apparently, Brian was annoyed by the fact that Paul Vincent's guitar playing on the Mr. Bad Guy album sounded so much like his. I might be wrong but I kinda remember reading somewhere that he said something like "If Freddie wanted so much the guitar sounding like mine, he should've asked me to play instead".
To my ears Lets Turn It On has Brain May playing on it, just like Love Kills...[/QUOTE]
Apparently, Brian was annoyed by the fact that Paul Vincent's guitar playing on the Mr. Bad Guy album sounded so much like his. I might be wrong but I kinda remember reading somewhere that he said something like "If Freddie wanted so much the guitar sounding like mine, he should've asked me to play instead".
miraclesteinway
I think he did say that, regarding some of the tracks on Bad Guy. It's on the Days of Our Lives or Great Pretender documentary.
oligneisti
[QUOTE] [b]MercurialFreddie wrote:[/b]
My Love is Dangerous could be reworked as a real rocker (Queen version). [/QUOTE]
I think that is very true. There is a rock version of it somewhere (Great Pretender - Jeff Lord-Alge Mix) but it doesn't quite work. There are some stupid added vocals on it that kind of ruin it for me.
My Love is Dangerous could be reworked as a real rocker (Queen version). [/QUOTE]
I think that is very true. There is a rock version of it somewhere (Great Pretender - Jeff Lord-Alge Mix) but it doesn't quite work. There are some stupid added vocals on it that kind of ruin it for me.
Mr.QueenFan
To my taste Mr Bad Guy is a brilliant album. It´s more fun to hear than any Queen record in the 80´s except for AKOM maybe. I can understand some issues about the production but the songwriting is superb!
Sebastian
It's important to consider that, had 'Made in Heaven' and 'I Was Born to Love You' been recorded for 'The Works' or 'A Kind of Magic', they wouldn't have sounded like the 1995 versions we all know.
Roger, John and Brian had three years to work on those tracks, had better technology and the pressure to release something more quickly was off. Under those conditions, they could've probably made 'Body Language' and 'Delilah' sound great.
Roger, John and Brian had three years to work on those tracks, had better technology and the pressure to release something more quickly was off. Under those conditions, they could've probably made 'Body Language' and 'Delilah' sound great.
The King Of Rhye
[QUOTE] [b]Bike It 80 wrote:[/b]
Apparently, Brian was annoyed by the fact that Paul Vincent's guitar playing on the Mr. Bad Guy album sounded so much like his. I might be wrong but I kinda remember reading somewhere that he said something like "If Freddie wanted so much the guitar sounding like mine, he should've asked me to play instead". [/QUOTE]
There's a song that was used as a b-side, She Blows Hot And Cold....Freddie recorded a version of it with Brian on guitar so that Paul Vincent would have something to copy (it's on the FM box set)
Apparently, Brian was annoyed by the fact that Paul Vincent's guitar playing on the Mr. Bad Guy album sounded so much like his. I might be wrong but I kinda remember reading somewhere that he said something like "If Freddie wanted so much the guitar sounding like mine, he should've asked me to play instead". [/QUOTE]
There's a song that was used as a b-side, She Blows Hot And Cold....Freddie recorded a version of it with Brian on guitar so that Paul Vincent would have something to copy (it's on the FM box set)
Ale Solan
[QUOTE] [b]Mr.QueenFan wrote:[/b]
To my taste Mr Bad Guy is a brilliant album.
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You must be the only person in the world who likes this album (?)
To my taste Mr Bad Guy is a brilliant album.
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You must be the only person in the world who likes this album (?)
Day dop
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[b]Ale Solan wrote: [/b] [QUOTE] [b]Mr.QueenFan wrote:[/b]
To my taste Mr Bad Guy is a brilliant album. [/QUOTE]
You must be the only person in the world who likes this album (?)[/QUOTE]
Lousy production, but it's got some catchy tunes on it. Freddie's voice was top notch on that album too.
[b]Ale Solan wrote: [/b] [QUOTE] [b]Mr.QueenFan wrote:[/b]
To my taste Mr Bad Guy is a brilliant album. [/QUOTE]
You must be the only person in the world who likes this album (?)[/QUOTE]
Lousy production, but it's got some catchy tunes on it. Freddie's voice was top notch on that album too.
Mr.QueenFan
[QUOTE] [b]Ale Solan wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]Mr.QueenFan wrote:[/b]
To my taste Mr Bad Guy is a brilliant album.
[/QUOTE]
You must be the only person in the world who likes this album (?)[/QUOTE]
After reading Queenzone i´m beginning to think i am, and that doesn´t make sense to me, but as Humans it´s good to have diferent tastes.
When i first heard Mr. Bad Guy i didn´t care about production, i was only interested in hearing my favorite singer. I loved the fact that the album isn´t over produced, and it clicks with me.
What Brian, John and Roger did with the MIH track and IWBTLY was superb, but they didn´t replaced the originals. I still love the originals because of their simplicity, and in the case of IWBTLY i still think Freddie nailed the perfect version of it - pure Pop genius!
For me the best thing in music is Freddie with a piano, and Mr Bad Guy has plenty in it to make me happy. When i hear songs like "LMLTNT" i´m in heaven. The way Freddie played the piano, his choice of chords and notes, and the voice is simply superb. I absolutely love this record - there´s not one song that i deslike!
[QUOTE] [b]Mr.QueenFan wrote:[/b]
To my taste Mr Bad Guy is a brilliant album.
[/QUOTE]
You must be the only person in the world who likes this album (?)[/QUOTE]
After reading Queenzone i´m beginning to think i am, and that doesn´t make sense to me, but as Humans it´s good to have diferent tastes.
When i first heard Mr. Bad Guy i didn´t care about production, i was only interested in hearing my favorite singer. I loved the fact that the album isn´t over produced, and it clicks with me.
What Brian, John and Roger did with the MIH track and IWBTLY was superb, but they didn´t replaced the originals. I still love the originals because of their simplicity, and in the case of IWBTLY i still think Freddie nailed the perfect version of it - pure Pop genius!
For me the best thing in music is Freddie with a piano, and Mr Bad Guy has plenty in it to make me happy. When i hear songs like "LMLTNT" i´m in heaven. The way Freddie played the piano, his choice of chords and notes, and the voice is simply superb. I absolutely love this record - there´s not one song that i deslike!
Martin Packer
What MrQueenFan said.
I'd add that the simpler arrangements suit Freddie better. The "mock orchestra" "demon chords" stuff could have been done better - perhaps with help from the other three.
(I'm really please the way this thread - which I started - has turned out.)
I'd add that the simpler arrangements suit Freddie better. The "mock orchestra" "demon chords" stuff could have been done better - perhaps with help from the other three.
(I'm really please the way this thread - which I started - has turned out.)
miraclesteinway
I think Freddie did suit simple arrangements. I love to hear him on things like 'You Take My Breath Away' or 'Is this the world we created?'
The saving grace on Bad Guy is Freddie's voice, and yes there are good songs on it.
I'd have liked to have heard Freddie sing in his lower range more often, you know strip the sound down and strip some of the bombast out of the voice - his vocal on slightly mad for instance, is beautiful, and on Ensueño he proves that he had a beautiful baritone capacity. I think though, he felt that it was his trademark to sing in the highest registers. He complained to Brian that Brian always wrote in a range that was just a bit too high, but actually, Let's Turn It On reaches up to higher than anything Brian wrote for him!
The saving grace on Bad Guy is Freddie's voice, and yes there are good songs on it.
I'd have liked to have heard Freddie sing in his lower range more often, you know strip the sound down and strip some of the bombast out of the voice - his vocal on slightly mad for instance, is beautiful, and on Ensueño he proves that he had a beautiful baritone capacity. I think though, he felt that it was his trademark to sing in the highest registers. He complained to Brian that Brian always wrote in a range that was just a bit too high, but actually, Let's Turn It On reaches up to higher than anything Brian wrote for him!
Mr.QueenFan
[QUOTE] [b]miraclesteinway wrote:[/b]
(...)
I'd have liked to have heard Freddie sing in his lower range more often, you know strip the sound down and strip some of the bombast out of the voice - his vocal on slightly mad for instance, is beautiful, and on Ensueño he proves that he had a beautiful baritone capacity. I think though, he felt that it was his trademark to sing in the highest registers. He complained to Brian that Brian always wrote in a range that was just a bit too high, but actually, Let's Turn It On reaches up to higher than anything Brian wrote for him! .[/QUOTE]
Indeed, and the funny thing is that - if my memory is correct - it was Montserrat Caballe who made Freddie sing in that register on Ensueno. She also liked that register of Freddie.
(...)
I'd have liked to have heard Freddie sing in his lower range more often, you know strip the sound down and strip some of the bombast out of the voice - his vocal on slightly mad for instance, is beautiful, and on Ensueño he proves that he had a beautiful baritone capacity. I think though, he felt that it was his trademark to sing in the highest registers. He complained to Brian that Brian always wrote in a range that was just a bit too high, but actually, Let's Turn It On reaches up to higher than anything Brian wrote for him! .[/QUOTE]
Indeed, and the funny thing is that - if my memory is correct - it was Montserrat Caballe who made Freddie sing in that register on Ensueno. She also liked that register of Freddie.
Mr.QueenFan
[QUOTE] [b]Martin Packer wrote:[/b]
We're told Freddie was getting bored of making Mr Bad Guy towards the end.
How would things have gone if he'd canned it and offered the songs to the band?
(And I already know Made In Heaven would've been called something else.) :-)[/QUOTE]
Just to clarify one small detail. I don´t think Freddie was bored of making Mr Bad Guy. He was exausted because he was working with Queen in between both projects. Just listen to the first minute or so of this 1985 interview where Freddie explains it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P17v8MZWEw0
By the way, what would "Made in Heaven" be called?
We're told Freddie was getting bored of making Mr Bad Guy towards the end.
How would things have gone if he'd canned it and offered the songs to the band?
(And I already know Made In Heaven would've been called something else.) :-)[/QUOTE]
Just to clarify one small detail. I don´t think Freddie was bored of making Mr Bad Guy. He was exausted because he was working with Queen in between both projects. Just listen to the first minute or so of this 1985 interview where Freddie explains it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P17v8MZWEw0
By the way, what would "Made in Heaven" be called?