^ I agree to a certain point, but you must also consider that had HIV not appeared right at that period in history, his irresponsible behaviour would not have killed him. He wasn't a big drug addict or an alcoholic, he didn't like fast cars, he wasn't involved in crime - the only thing which killed him was the unfortunate series of viral events which appeared right in the period that he was being a promiscuous homosexual.
His behaviour wouldn't have killed him had he not been one of the millions of unfortunate people to live (a) in the age of AIDS, and more precisely (b) from the 1970s to 1996.
Freddie deserves another chance.
matt z · Member since
I get the feeling that if you brought back Carlin, he'd ask how did this happen?
And when you answered, he'd probably excoriate you verbally: "you mean you could have brought back any scientist, spiritual leaders to end these goddamn wars everywhere, Christ or Mohammed to shut up these religious nuts, or Buddha, Plato, Einstein, Tesla, Da Vinci, hell even a Roosevelt or a Kennedy, and you brought back ME? !
Holy shit, you're a dumb fuck!
Speaking of FUCKS, you could have even brought back a good fuck instead. (Marilyn as a love slave etc)
Prime shit, you're stupid ! Thanks. .. asshole!"
^or something like that. And he would have blown a raspberry.
As long as we're talking extended lists, yeah: Tesla was working on free electricity globalised.
But after him. . Yeah Jesus, or Mohammed *(but the odds are that no one would recognize either one and they would both be killed almost immediately as heretics)
Even if these religious zealots gave either one time to speak it'd go down like this:
"So, you're Jesus/Mohammed eh? , prove it! "
When you wrote :"(biblical verse)" what did you mean, did you mean it figuratively or literally? "
Jesus: (after translation) "I never WROTE a book."
Jesus still has the advantage. If he LITERALLY turned water into wine then he could do it again for proof. Sorry Mohammed.
Notable second listers: Chandra Bose, ... the previous Dalai llama *(just to see him meet the new one and see what madness ensues).
... And though I'd love to talk to Charlie Chaplin and go chick cruising with him, he'd be 88 and beyond most capacity. So. ...
musicland munich · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]Costa86 wrote:[/b]
, he wasn't involved in crime
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Well...ordering larger amounts of Cocaine is a crime in most countrys I guess.
Costa86 · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]musicland munich wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]Costa86 wrote:[/b]
, he wasn't involved in crime
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Well...ordering larger amounts of Cocaine is a crime in most countrys I guess.
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Yes yes, but he was just using it for personal use (and sharing it, but that's not the same as selling it), so it's a minor crime and not one with a high death rate.
Costa86 · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]matt z wrote:[/b]
I get the feeling that if you brought back Carlin, he'd ask how did this happen?
And when you answered, he'd probably excoriate you verbally: "you mean you could have brought back any scientist, spiritual leaders to end these goddamn wars everywhere, Christ or Mohammed to shut up these religious nuts, or Buddha, Plato, Einstein, Tesla, Da Vinci, hell even a Roosevelt or a Kennedy, and you brought back ME? !
Holy shit, you're a dumb fuck!
Speaking of FUCKS, you could have even brought back a good fuck instead. (Marilyn as a love slave etc)
Prime shit, you're stupid ! Thanks. .. asshole!"
^or something like that. And he would have blown a raspberry.
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Haha yeah he'd probably be pissed I interrupted his harp playing and his looking down from up there taking care of his daughter from the clouds.
About bringing back Christ... I gave this some thought. The guy already came back from the dead, supposedly, right? Then he decided to go back again (he disappeared and we're expected to believe that he went to take his massage seat at the right hand of the Father). So he went twice, the second time out of his own volition. That's why I don't think it makes sense bringing him back. He already came back. "Been there, done that, man", is what he'd say. He did his job. Nothing left to do.
Carlin, on the other hand, still had a hell of a lot of material left in him... at least that's what I think (just like Fred still had so much music in him). His last HBO special from a few months before he died was one of his best.
Oh, and Mohammed? Can you imagine how pissed he'd be if you stole him away from all those virgins (not sure they're still virgins by now though)? Holy crap!
noorie · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]brENsKi wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]Oscar J wrote:[/b]
brENsKi: So no Freddie? [/QUOTE]
definitely not!!! for the same rule I used for the under-40s. Freddie was on a one-way-ticket-to-self-ruin. pity is, if he'd had the nine lives of one of his cat's, he'd have used every last one of them being the same hedonistic, irresponsible prick he was from 78-86
no point whatsoever in saving those who won't be saved
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Then, wouldn't the same apply to Elvis?
brENsKi · Member since
edit - dbl post (boards playing up?)
brENsKi · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]noorie wrote:[/b][QUOTE] [b]brENsKi wrote:[/b][QUOTE] [b]Oscar J wrote:[/b]brENsKi: So no Freddie? [/QUOTE]definitely not!!! for the same rule I used for the under-40s. Freddie was on a one-way-ticket-to-self-ruin. pity is, if he'd had the nine lives of one of his cat's, he'd have used every last one of them being the same hedonistic, irresponsible prick he was from 78-86
no point whatsoever in saving those who won't be saved
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Then, wouldn't the same apply to Elvis? [/QUOTE]
i don't think that Elvis' demise was one of purely hedonistic-irresponsibility - he had lots going on in his life - that he was ill-equipped psychologically to deal with - and given scant help to treat the cause when treating the symptoms was much easier.
divorced by Priscilla
his father's breakup from his stepmother
his close friend/lover linda thompson finally walked out of Graceland
his long-serving band member - david Briggs upped and left for nashville.
each new personal life "event" increased his dependence on pills and painkillers(prescribed by his own doctor) and in turn his weight ballooned.
he struggled through the 74 US tour - performances were bad. then took months off...and finally went to hospital.
once out of hospital he was almost "forced" back to work - by severe money problems. things went on for two years in a similar manner
Two years after his death, a check of prescriptions issued by George Nichopoulos (Elvis' doctor) showed that - in his final few months, over 5000 uppers, downers and painkillers were prescribed for Elvis.
that equates to over 20 a day. and strangely enough - wasn't Michael Jackson's physician jailed for much less?
matt z · Member since
^don't forget about his colon problems. He was apparently constipated for weeks at a time. His asshole was supposedly dilated wide enough to pass a small newborn
tcc · Member since
Buddha would not want to come back either, to have to go through the crap process of birth, growing old, becoming sick and dying again.
brENsKi · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]matt z wrote:[/b]
^don't forget about his colon problems. He was apparently constipated for weeks at a time. His asshole was supposedly dilated wide enough to pass a small newborn[/QUOTE]
like he hadn't enough already going on?
i wouldn't mind better that the drugs prescribed by his physician played a part in the colon thing
noorie · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]brENsKi wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]noorie wrote:[/b][QUOTE] [b]brENsKi wrote:[/b][QUOTE] [b]Oscar J wrote:[/b]brENsKi: So no Freddie? [/QUOTE]definitely not!!! for the same rule I used for the under-40s. Freddie was on a one-way-ticket-to-self-ruin. pity is, if he'd had the nine lives of one of his cat's, he'd have used every last one of them being the same hedonistic, irresponsible prick he was from 78-86
no point whatsoever in saving those who won't be saved
[/QUOTE]
Then, wouldn't the same apply to Elvis? [/QUOTE]
i don't think that Elvis' demise was one of purely hedonistic-irresponsibility - he had lots going on in his life - that he was ill-equipped psychologically to deal with - and given scant help to treat the cause when treating the symptoms was much easier.
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I get what you are saying, but by the same token, would not Fredddie having to deal with his sexuality in the repressed, homophobic attitudes of the 1970s and 1980s be a huge, horrible issue? I feel it is an extremely difficult thing for somebody to come to terms with even in today's more liberal, accepting (so-called) times.
I feel that it consumed Freddie more than he let on. Especially with his strict upbringing, and the homophobia in the rock world at the time. So perhaps he took it to the other extreme. People have weird ways of dealing with problems.
matt z · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]noorie wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]brENsKi wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]noorie wrote:[/b][QUOTE] [b]brENsKi wrote:[/b][QUOTE] [b]Oscar J wrote:[/b]brENsKi: So no Freddie? [/QUOTE]definitely not!!! for the same rule I used for the under-40s. Freddie was on a one-way-ticket-to-self-ruin. pity is, if he'd had the nine lives of one of his cat's, he'd have used every last one of them being the same hedonistic, irresponsible prick he was from 78-86
no point whatsoever in saving those who won't be saved
[/QUOTE]
Then, wouldn't the same apply to Elvis? [/QUOTE]
i don't think that Elvis' demise was one of purely hedonistic-irresponsibility - he had lots going on in his life - that he was ill-equipped psychologically to deal with - and given scant help to treat the cause when treating the symptoms was much easier.
[/QUOTE]
I get what you are saying, but by the same token, would not Fredddie having to deal with his sexuality in the repressed, homophobic attitudes of the 1970s and 1980s be a huge, horrible issue? I feel it is an extremely difficult thing for somebody to come to terms with even in today's more liberal, accepting (so-called) times.
I feel that it consumed Freddie more than he let on. Especially with his strict upbringing, and the homophobia in the rock world at the time. So perhaps he took it to the other extreme. People have weird ways of dealing with problems.[/QUOTE]
Ppl have weird ways ...
I know exactly what you're saying. I used to be so close with a beautiful blonde chick from a well to do family in north Carolina that came out to California for a bunch of hedonism and stripping. It's all "make the rounds, see what can happen and enjoy the excess"
A little bit of "let's hurt daddy" thrown into it.
Women. ...
Hey... they're getting the wealth eventually anyways. It happens. Freddie's thing on the other hand. Who knows. Part insecurity, Part excess.
Holly2003 · Member since
Rich young rock star has lots of fun, sex and parties.
Do you really need to psychoanalyse his life to understand why?
noorie · Member since
^^^ Hahaha, you are sooo right! But I guess that is why we join forums - to exchange thoughts and ideas and opinions.
Freddie lived the regular rock star life. Same as almost every other rock star of his time. But he got unlucky! End of...
