A Fan's Property, Lost by Greg Brooks in the Last Century, circa 1999

thanks Barb. your comments are welcome - they reiterate what Real Wizard and myself (among others) have tried to say.

it's a pity those that keep slighting John in this way are so easily led by the utterly clueless and ineffective (at his actual job) Queen Archivist.

One thing has occurred to me. These people - even if John posted a 15-second youtube clip of Hangman playing - would STILL not be satisfied. the thinking of the modern fan is that of an immediate entitlement to everything. These single-minded, selfish creatures are unable to think in terms of how they'd feel about stuff they paid tens of thousands of £s for being "lost" and then sold by thieves.

Why? because they are incapable of conceiving of the idea of actually putting the legwork into searching, finding and paying for something themselves in the first place!!!

People who believe GB over a respected, long-standing member of this community, should be ashamed of themselves.

Sometimes, silence is a much better way to make a point. JSS has maintained his dignity, GB and his "bleating flock of fleece-heads" are behaving like fools

[QUOTE] [b]YourValentine wrote:[/b]

For what it's worth here is my take on the JSS vs QPL saga:

I think John was not so angry about the loss of the IBEX tape and subsequent appearance on ebay and download pages, apparently he was angry about the lack of responsibility taken by QPL. They could have paid for the lost tapes and everything would have been buried there and then. I wonder who can blame him for this. .[/QUOTE]

No one can blame him for this, but perhaps it´s better that he responds for himself and not you. Your theory falls appart the moment Greg stated that JSS accepted Greg´s apology and even accepted QP´s invitation for the Freddie´s Box-set launch party. And considering that JSS used this forum for an open invitation for QP to have access to his archive it´s clear that his problem is not with QP in general but with Greg Brooks personally.

[QUOTE] [b]YourValentine wrote:[/b]
The story about the hub is different in my memory: .[/QUOTE]
So are you saying that the user scallyuk is lying?

[QUOTE] [b]YourValentine wrote:[/b]
John did join the hub in around 2004 but it was certainly the wrong place for him at the time. We shared mostly audience recorded live concerts etc in which he was not interested and he was actually not able to encode his studio recordings into a shareable digital format. .[/QUOTE]

Scallyuk said: "On closer scrutiny the real rarities were shown to be either fakes, (the old mono speaker trick) or renamed files which weren't actually what the title said. His response - it's a laugh. "

[QUOTE] [b]YourValentine wrote:[/b]
He tried to make up for this by sharing stuff like teaser pleasers and demos that were already circulating in the the collector community but he did not stay long when he realised that hatred was the only response he received from the hub community (not from scallyuk!). [/QUOTE]

Stop treating Queenzoners as stupid! He didn´t try to do anything to make up for anything. He was disespecting the Hub and the community with his fake uploads and that´s why he received hatred. He knew what he was doing, becaue as scallyuk said when he was confronted with it he said : "it´s a laugh."

The fact that you - YourValentine - wants Queen fans to believe that by 2004 a collector of John´s status couldn´t encode his studio recordings into a shareable digital format its laughable and people deserve from you more respect than that!

Again scallyuk said :"A long long time ago I used to run the Queen Hub, JSS was invited to join by Barb Johann, Given his reputation as a serious collector I was surprised when he agreed but he did and he shared what appeared to be a large number of what were at that time very rare tracks. "

It wasn´t "teaser pleasers and demos" like you try to make us believe. It was fake demos and according to scallyuk "renamed files which weren't actually what the title said". Doesn´t John knows how to rename files either?

[QUOTE] [b]YourValentine wrote:[/b]
He left after only a few visits and nobody was hurt in the process. .[/QUOTE]
Well, i don´t see this kind of attitude with people who have the same behaviour in the announce section of this forum.

[QUOTE] [b]YourValentine wrote:[/b]
The Hangman acetate - one might think Hangman is the only studio recording Queen never released. .[/QUOTE]
This has nothing to do with what´s being discussed here!

[QUOTE] [b]YourValentine wrote:[/b]
It's funny how people who never collected anything and never made an effort but downloaded everything from QZ (and were always more than welcome to do so!) get all wound up by the idea that there might be a single recording they cannot get their hands upon. .[/QUOTE]

Instead of trying to shame people on their status why don´t you stick to the discussion taking place? People have the right to make questions.
And people don´t get wound up by the idea that there might be a single recording they cannot get their hands upon. People - me - are only trying to understand who bullshiting who. Because clearly one of them - Greg Brooks or John S Stuart - is bullshiting the Queen community with the "Hangman" acetate issue.
Trying to understand who, is not being disrespectful to anyone. At least from me there isn´t disrespect towards John.

[QUOTE] [b]YourValentine wrote:[/b]
Please think about that. What did all these people ever do for the Queen community and what did John in contrast contribute with all his knowledge he shared and his huge collection that was effectively stolen from him and spread in the community (some even paid money for the stolen items). .[/QUOTE]

I see, and that gives John the right to disrespect other Hub users by sharing fakes? Ok.
And mind you, 2004 was before the Fuller leaks thing, so John isn´t a saint either.

[QUOTE] [b]YourValentine wrote:[/b]
I won't comment about the reasons why John does not post here anymore .[/QUOTE]
Probably for the same reason many people don´t post here anymore. Lack of moderation!
Many people get offended on a daily basis on this forum, but i don´t see you pop-up do deffend them. But you are unconfortable with people questioning JSS claims. Sad, really!
And it shows that you are aware of what´s happening here, which is even worst considering you are one of the Administ. of this forum (at least i think you are, if you´re not then i´m sorry for the mistake).

[QUOTE] [b]YourValentine wrote:[/b]
but it's rather pathetic that the Queen Archivist appears here on the forum and drags this old story up - what does he expect to gain? If he is so sure that the Hangman acetate does not exist he should just say it and maybe people can relax about the issue. .[/QUOTE]

So you can definitely say to all Queen fans still reading this thread that Greg Brooks is lying? That´s all i need to know. You say that Greg is being pathetic by bringing this issue again. JSS made an open invitation to QP in Queenzone (2010) giving them access to his archive. He just didn´t want to deal with Greg. Greg stated here that in 2010 other people contacted John for the "Hangman" acetate, even on behalf of Brian May and John went silent.
So Barb, can you tell us that Greg is lying? And after such occurences- if true - can you 100% tells us that the acetate does exist?
If you can, then do it! Be frontal about it, insteat of calling pathetic to what others are saying, because reading this thread already gives me an idea of whom the pathetic really are.

[QUOTE] [b]YourValentine wrote:[/b]
I do not care what people think about John - he is a lovely, honest and serious guy and I feel lucky I met him through my Queen interest. .[/QUOTE]

And that´s all there is. Your Queen interest! And that´s why most of you are scared to say the things that are obvious. Interest!
I don´t have an interest for his collection, and i don´t care about being friends with JSS or Greg Brooks, that´s why i´m independent enough to make the right questions. You and others here are just scared that your interests are being jeopardized.

And by the way, me and others here are also lovely, honest, and serious guys. Just ask our moms, and they will tell you!

[QUOTE] [b]YourValentine wrote:[/b]
If people feel better throwing dirt at a person they know nothing about, they can feel free to do so, we have freedom of speech on this forum. It says more about the people who do it than about JSS .[/QUOTE]

That never stoped people of throwing dirt at Greg Brooks, and Brian May, and Roger Taylor, and Adam Lambert and to each other on this forum.

But enough of the "It says more about the people who do it than about JSS". This is just to try to shame people who are questioning John´s claims. In fact, all of your post was just to see if people would stop doing this!

(continues in next reply)

Continuation

But i still don´t understand why you consider that people making questions are throwing dirt at John. Look, there´s much worst things being said in this forum on a daily basis that what is happening here.

Interestingly enough, you never said that people should stop insulting Greg Brooks everytime he comes here, or stop insulting Adam Lambert or Brian May. But i guess insults on this forum are alright with you, depending of who´s on the other end - receiving the insults!

How about replying to this?

[QUOTE] [b]Sebastian wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]Mr.QueenFan wrote:[/b]
And i´m not counting the fact that when the Queen multitracks were leaked you were proved wrong in so many assumptions that it´s not even fun!
[/QUOTE]
Really? Which ones?[/QUOTE]

Talk about making a claim and then not being able to back it up...

[QUOTE] [b]Mr.QueenFan wrote:[/b]

Continuation

But i still don´t understand why you consider that people making questions are throwing dirt at John. Look, there´s much worst things being said in this forum on a daily basis that what is happening here.

Interestingly enough, you never said that people should stop insulting Greg Brooks everytime he comes here, or stop insulting Adam Lambert or Brian May. But i guess insults on this forum are alright with you, depending of who´s on the other end - receiving the insults!
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has it never occurred to you that JSS has nothing to prove because he really can't be bothered with this crap anymore?

he has no obligation to YOU or anyone else to give an account of himself. he's not here ..so why the fuck would you think he'll answer. you and your like are no better than the "torch bearing mobs" demanding a witch burning

and here's the rub: whatever he does have - YOU and similarly-minded people will see NONE OF IT !!!
only TWO people to blame for this
1] Greg Brooks - for allowing something there was only one copy of to be "lost" and then sold
2] David Fuller - and we all know why

the fact that YOU are unable to see what GB is really about says more about you than it does GB.
Sure, I'll argue the sh*t with GB - but that's because i like to think there's some balance to "doing to him, as he does to others" - at least my arguments are cohesive - unlike yours and GB's.

[QUOTE] [b]brENsKi wrote:[/b]

[QUOTE] [b]Mr.QueenFan wrote:[/b]

Continuation

But i still don´t understand why you consider that people making questions are throwing dirt at John. Look, there´s much worst things being said in this forum on a daily basis that what is happening here.

Interestingly enough, you never said that people should stop insulting Greg Brooks everytime he comes here, or stop insulting Adam Lambert or Brian May. But i guess insults on this forum are alright with you, depending of who´s on the other end - receiving the insults!
[/QUOTE]

has it never occurred to you that JSS has nothing to prove because he really can't be bothered with this crap anymore? .[/QUOTE]
Yes, but that doesn´t mean we at Queenzone can´t or shouldn´t discuss this.

[QUOTE] [b]brENsKi wrote:[/b]
he has no obligation to YOU or anyone else to give an account of himself. he's not here ..so why the fuck would you think he'll answer. you and your like are no better than the "torch bearing mobs" demanding a witch burning
.[/QUOTE]

I´m not demanding him to do anything!
And why all the hate in your speech? Did i offended you in any way?

[QUOTE] [b]brENsKi wrote:[/b]
and here's the rub: whatever he does have - YOU and similarly-minded people will see NONE OF IT !!! .[/QUOTE]
I don´t know what you mean by this.

[QUOTE] [b]brENsKi wrote:[/b]
only TWO people to blame for this
1] Greg Brooks - for allowing something there was only one copy of to be "lost" and then sold
2] David Fuller - and we all know why .[/QUOTE]

I never heard that the "Hangman" acetate was at a time inside QP. Maybe you can share some light on his?

What happened to John S Stuart with his Ibex tape, unfortunate as it was, has been happening with Queen´s music throughout the years as well.

Many things in the hands of collectors got there by criminal behaviour as well. And in those cases i don´t see anyone complaining!

[QUOTE] [b]brENsKi wrote:[/b]
the fact that YOU are unable to see what GB is really about says more about you than it does GB. .[/QUOTE]
You have to be more specific than that.
As i said before i had an altercation with Greg once on this forum but i moved on. This time he came here with a simple request and he was the one being insulted.
I know about the incomplete live recordings list that he shared some years ago as part of a deal, but i don´t know if we can blame him or Jim Beach, because if my memory serves me right, he had to ask Jim´s permission to make that public deal with the community.

But either case, that doesn´t mean i´m gonna treat everything Greg says as being a lie and everything JSS says as being true face value, when i see contradicting behaviour from the same people on this forum.

[QUOTE] [b]brENsKi wrote:[/b]
Sure, I'll argue the sh*t with GB - but that's because i like to think there's some balance to "doing to him, as he does to others" - at least my arguments are cohesive - unlike yours and GB's.

[/QUOTE]

And i accept your perception, but instead of being so general about it, you can go through all my replies throughout this thread and specify where my arguments aren´t cohesive.

On page two of this thread i replied to you, but you never replied back. I don´t mind being proven wrong, because i´m not trying to be right. I think we can debate without insults, and if you think i´m not cohesive just point out where i failed to make a consistent argument based on what was being said.

Well, this has turned into a right nonsensical shit show. Again.....

Well played by the OP, drops a grenade in the room and walks off laughing.

Played much?

[QUOTE] [b]Mr.QueenFan wrote:[/b][QUOTE] [b]brENsKi wrote:[/b]only TWO people to blame for this
1] Greg Brooks - for allowing something there was only one copy of to be "lost" and then sold
2] David Fuller - and we all know why .[/QUOTE]
I never heard that the "Hangman" acetate was at a time inside QP. Maybe you can share some light on his?
[/QUOTE]
re-read my post - i didn't specify - i said "something with only one copy"

[QUOTE] [b]Mr.QueenFan wrote:[/b]What happened to John S Stuart with his Ibex tape, unfortunate as it was, has been happening with Queen´s music throughout the years as well. [/QUOTE]
and that makes it ok? does it?
why don't YOU stop and think, just how many collections and releases would be incomplete without collector's (like JSS) actually collecting things...any decent person - would publically apologise - GB has not done so - because he isn't a decent person (imo)

[QUOTE] [b]Mr.QueenFan wrote:[/b]Many things in the hands of collectors got there by criminal behaviour as well. And in those cases i don´t see anyone complaining![/QUOTE]
sometimes you talk some amazing shit - how can something "thrown out" be stolen? collector buying "garbage" is not committing a crime ffs. - you're just a GB apologist

[QUOTE] [b]Mr.QueenFan wrote:[/b]I know about the incomplete live recordings list that he shared some years ago as part of a deal, but i don´t know if we can blame him or Jim Beach, because if my memory serves me right, he had to ask Jim´s permission to make that public deal with the community.
But either case, that doesn´t mean i´m gonna treat everything Greg says as being a lie and everything JSS says as being true face value, when i see contradicting behaviour from the same people on this forum.[/QUOTE]
where is the contradicting behaviour from JSS? he hasn't been here in years! - GB on the other hand is a constant source of contradiction...including (but not limited to) his famed "what live videos we actually have in the archives" BS - face facts - he shouldn't promise said info if he knows he can't deliver - he promised it to use it as leverage to get info from people here - and then delivered misinformation deliberately

bottom line? whatever you call yourself these days Gerry, you're still the same person, and i suspect it won't be long before you go nuclear again.

[QUOTE] [b]brENsKi wrote:[/b]

[QUOTE] [b]Mr.QueenFan wrote:[/b][QUOTE] [b]brENsKi wrote:[/b]only TWO people to blame for this
1] Greg Brooks - for allowing something there was only one copy of to be "lost" and then sold
2] David Fuller - and we all know why .[/QUOTE]
I never heard that the "Hangman" acetate was at a time inside QP. Maybe you can share some light on his?
[/QUOTE]
re-read my post - i didn't specify - i said "something with only one copy" .[/QUOTE]
You´re right, my mistake!
So i assume you´re talking about the Ibex tape.

[QUOTE] [b]brENsKi wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]Mr.QueenFan wrote:[/b]What happened to John S Stuart with his Ibex tape, unfortunate as it was, has been happening with Queen´s music throughout the years as well. [/QUOTE]

and that makes it ok? does it? .[/QUOTE]
No, it doesn´t! But it makes all the simpathy JSS is receiving about this tape very hypocritical, when it´s very clear that no one gives a shit. People just want to be on JSS´s good grace. That´s very disrespectful to him! It´s friendship based on interest, something that i never apply in my life.
Because if they did cared about such things, they would also be offended by the leaks from inside Queen Production studios to the hands of collectors.

[QUOTE] [b]brENsKi wrote:[/b]
why don't YOU stop and think, just how many collections and releases would be incomplete without collector's (like JSS) actually collecting things...any decent person - would publically apologise - GB has not done so - because he isn't a decent person (imo) .[/QUOTE]

Greg Brooks apologised to John S Stuart privately. He even recognized that in this forum, and if my memory is correct JSS never denied it. JSS went public with this tape thing after he promised Greg to keep this private.
As you can see, i´m not taking sides, i´m just telling what happened based on their interaction in this forum over the years.

Should one of them come here a deny what the other says, i will have new information. For the time being, this is all i know.

Greg being a decent person or not is not my problem.

[QUOTE] [b]brENsKi wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]Mr.QueenFan wrote:[/b]Many things in the hands of collectors got there by criminal behaviour as well. And in those cases i don´t see anyone complaining![/QUOTE]
sometimes you talk some amazing shit - how can something "thrown out" be stolen? collector buying "garbage" is not committing a crime ffs. - you're just a GB apologist .[/QUOTE]

I don´t know why you insist that people making questions have to be GB apologists. I´m not, and in the past when i disagreed with him i told him so - in fact i was very direct to him, like i always am!

You say collector buying "garbage" is not committing a crime. True!
But the master tapes of the "NOTW" missing are not garbage!
Many demo tapes in the hands of collectors - all over Youtube - isn´t garbage either! It was leaked by someone who shouldn´t have donne it in the first place, because probably they were on a pay check from QP, and did it against the band´s wishes.

[QUOTE] [b]brENsKi wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]Mr.QueenFan wrote:[/b]
I know about the incomplete live recordings list that he shared some years ago as part of a deal, but i don´t know if we can blame him or Jim Beach, because if my memory serves me right, he had to ask Jim´s permission to make that public deal with the community.
But either case, that doesn´t mean i´m gonna treat everything Greg says as being a lie and everything JSS says as being true face value, when i see contradicting behaviour from the same people on this forum.[/QUOTE]
where is the contradicting behaviour from JSS? he hasn't been here in years! - .[/QUOTE]

Read again scallyuk reply on page 3. Wer´re talking about the person who´s running the Hub at the time (2004) stating that JSS deliberately shared fake demos and renamed files. When confronted with it is answer was: "It´s a laugh."

Not my words, so i don´t know why you get so offended with me and others.

For me this is contradictory behaviour, because this is not the JSS who loggs into Queenzone.

(continues in next reply)

[QUOTE] [b]brENsKi wrote:[/b]

GB on the other hand is a constant source of contradiction...including (but not limited to) his famed "what live videos we actually have in the archives" BS - face facts - he shouldn't promise said info if he knows he can't deliver - he promised it to use it as leverage to get info from people here - and then delivered misinformation deliberately .[/QUOTE]

I completely agree with this!
But because at the time i remember him saying that he got permission from Jim Beach, i´m thinking that he only revealed what he could. Either way, it was a very poor decision from QP because it completely ruined the trust between the fans and them.

[QUOTE] [b]brENsKi wrote:[/b]
bottom line? whatever you call yourself these days Gerry, you're still the same person, and i suspect it won't be long before you go nuclear again.

.[/QUOTE]

I´m not Gerry - whoever that his - but you still haven´t said specifically where i failed to make cohesive arguments.
And i still don´t understand your tone, considering that i am not offending you.

I´m willing to let this go. But if people keep replying to me and stating that i´m the one with poor judgement skills, the least they can do is to point it out specifically. I don´t mind being proven wrong!

But what i see happening is people getting condescending, agressive and even moralists. They fail to have a mature argument that supports their views. They make noise, and try to shame others into silence. They talk about freedom of speech, yet what they realy are wanting to do is censore those who dare to ask questions.

In the end, i don´t care that John pranked QP. I care more about the Hub story than everything else. But one of the things i was after when i pursued this thread was to see the reaction of "some" users.
People got scared that three people dared to question the words and actions of one big collector, yet on a daily basis people offend each other on this forum like it´s nothing.

It´s good to see who´s the Boss in the Queen world and who are the followers who go against what they preach on a daily basis in this same forum, because they are scared to lose whathever it is they have to lose in the collectors world.

A very revealing thread indeed!

[QUOTE] [b]Marknow wrote:[/b]

Well, this has turned into a right nonsensical shit show. Again.....

Well played by the OP, drops a grenade in the room and walks off laughing.

Played much?[/QUOTE]

Exactly! Talk about a great way to bury bad news - nobody is complaining about no Hyde Park this year just 100 posts arguing around in circles, surely the fire should be turned on to QPL for the Hyde Park decision not each other...well played Greg Brooks!

[QUOTE] [b]Mr.QueenFan wrote:[/b]
...[/QUOTE]

Hey, how about replying to this?

[QUOTE] [b]Sebastian wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]Mr.QueenFan wrote:[/b]
And i´m not counting the fact that when the Queen multitracks were leaked you were proved wrong in so many assumptions that it´s not even fun!
[/QUOTE]
Really? Which ones?[/QUOTE]

Talk about making a claim and then not being able to back it up...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6oc9o8I6Hw

The more I read Sebastian's comment, the more I keep thinking he's Gerry.

Gerry, the unfortunate Gerry. The useless guy who bumps shit till the nonsense.

[QUOTE] [b]Mr.QueenFan wrote:[/b][QUOTE] [b]brENsKi wrote:[/b]
GB on the other hand is a constant source of contradiction...including (but not limited to) his famed "what live videos we actually have in the archives" BS - face facts - he shouldn't promise said info if he knows he can't deliver - he promised it to use it as leverage to get info from people here - and then delivered misinformation deliberately .[/QUOTE]I completely agree with this!
But because at the time i remember him saying that he got permission from Jim Beach, i´m thinking that he only revealed what he could. Either way, it was a very poor decision from QP because it completely ruined the trust between the fans and them.[/QUOTE]you've just made the same mistake again. whose fault is it that GB promises something and then doesn't deliver? It's not Jim Beach's - it's GB's. He made a promise to QZ that he couldn't follow through. In exactly the same way he promised to safely return JSS's tape.
On BOTH occasions GB blames others for his own mistakes - a secretary for the loss of the tape, and JB for the "permission" thing. GB should take responsibility for his own sh*t.


[QUOTE] [b]brENsKi wrote:[/b]bottom line? whatever you call yourself these days Gerry, you're still the same person, and i suspect it won't be long before you go nuclear again..[/QUOTE][QUOTE] [b]Mr.QueenFan wrote:[/b]I´m not Gerry - whoever that his - but you still haven´t said specifically where i failed to make cohesive arguments.[/QUOTE]well my replies (above and below) demonstrates your inability to follow a logical argument.


[QUOTE] [b]Mr.QueenFan wrote:[/b]But what i see happening is people getting condescending, agressive and even moralists. They fail to have a mature argument that supports their views. They make noise, and try to shame others into silence. They talk about freedom of speech, yet what they realy are wanting to do is censore those who dare to ask questions.[/QUOTE]and what are YOU doing? see your comment below - yet again YOU'RE telling us what happened - without an grain of proof. at least I (and similar people are basing our judgments on fact - there is nothing to prove JSS has misled anyone. so don't judge. GB on the other hand is Mr Contradiction - so i call it as it is.


[QUOTE] [b]Mr.QueenFan wrote:[/b]In the end, i don´t care that John pranked QP. I care more about the Hub story than everything else. But one of the things i was after when i pursued this thread was to see the reaction of "some" users.[/QUOTE] And don't go branding people "users" - I'm not a collector - i sold ALL of my collectable stuff when the process got "out of hand" - almost 30 years ago!


[QUOTE] [b]Mr.QueenFan wrote:[/b]People got scared that three people dared to question the words and actions of one big collector, yet on a daily basis people offend each other on this forum like it´s nothing.[/QUOTE]Scared of what exactly? There's no point trying to discuss with you - you've made your mind up on GB's say-so. It'll be a sad day for justice the day you get appointed to Jury Service!!! What proof have YOU got that JSS pranked QP? NONE. so why say it? If you're not Gerry, then your definitely behaving like GB's alter-ego.