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luthorn
[QUOTE] [b]The Real Wizard wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]luthorn wrote:[/b]
I personally think that the RM lacks energy from performance standpoint as the audience participation is flat.[/QUOTE]
I bet people wouldn't be saying that if the original We Will Rock You versions didn't have the audience out of the mix almost completely.
I think they sound just fine on RM.
Except, of course, where they're punched in from another show during LOML. That's just inexcusable, blatant revisionist history.
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Compared with Montreal '78 the audience sounds dull as fuck. Maybe because audience sound was removed. I do not know. But once Freddie tells the audience to move their asses a bit, or something like that, it seems to me he is frustrated with their lack of participation. It seems the band plays perfect, but their energy is low compared with Live at the Bowl, for example, for that reason.
I live in Canada now, so I can say from empirical evidence one day Canadians can be wild on fire, but the next day dull as fuck and you can never tell way. Maybe because Freddie did not speak French to them. Who knows.
[QUOTE] [b]luthorn wrote:[/b]
I personally think that the RM lacks energy from performance standpoint as the audience participation is flat.[/QUOTE]
I bet people wouldn't be saying that if the original We Will Rock You versions didn't have the audience out of the mix almost completely.
I think they sound just fine on RM.
Except, of course, where they're punched in from another show during LOML. That's just inexcusable, blatant revisionist history.
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Compared with Montreal '78 the audience sounds dull as fuck. Maybe because audience sound was removed. I do not know. But once Freddie tells the audience to move their asses a bit, or something like that, it seems to me he is frustrated with their lack of participation. It seems the band plays perfect, but their energy is low compared with Live at the Bowl, for example, for that reason.
I live in Canada now, so I can say from empirical evidence one day Canadians can be wild on fire, but the next day dull as fuck and you can never tell way. Maybe because Freddie did not speak French to them. Who knows.
Nitroboy
Freddie gets slightly annoyed because people are still seated. Not because they're not singing.
The audience can be heard clearly
Mr.QueenFan
[QUOTE] [b]The Real Wizard wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]Mr.QueenFan wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]Bad Seed wrote:[/b]
Although I'm no fan of the show itself, I think LAWS is the best sounding live release. Brian's guitar sound is awful and Freddie is obviously in poor voice but it has a wonderful clarity not found on any other release. [/QUOTE]
What is LAWS? I know the answer must be simple but i just couldn´t figure it out for myself :-)
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Live At Wembley Stadium, of course ! .[/QUOTE]
Brain fart on my part! Thanks for the answer.
[QUOTE] [b]The Real Wizard wrote:[/b]
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Live Magic is a close second. I do rather like the sound of the Knebworth tracks - everything pokes through.
By comparison, the "Knebworth mix" of Under Pressure from the Rah mix CD single sounds like crap. The loudness war was already in full vigour by 2000.
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Well, i always considered the Knebworth mix of Under Pressure to be the best live sound Queen released so far, and i consider myself very sensitive to shit sound. On a good stereo, it´s a beauty! It has a clarity of sound and instruments that i haven´t heard anywhere else on a Queen record! Is it loud? Certainly, but it gives me an idea of what was really like to be there! And the mix worked beautifully on "Under Pressure".
But it´s over 10 years sice i last heard it, so maybe it´s time for me to revisit it!
And in Queen´s case, their live songs in 1986 didn´t have that much dynamics extremes that can get lost in the loudness war. Due to the way they performed those songs, the studio dynamic was already lost. "In the Laps of the Gods" comes to mind. Great song, great dynamics in the studion, full power in the Magic tour.
So, even though i agree that the Loudness war destroys studio songs, in Queen´s case i prefer it over shit mixes like "Rock in Rio" VHS where Brian´s guitar and general sound is weak!
And i loved the sound of "Live in Budapest" VHS. But i confess, i´ve watched that concert so many times, i still haven´t watched the new version of it. But on the VHS, i remember the wall of sound that came out of the "A kind of Magic" song. Probably the best performance of this song on the Magic tour. I hope they kept the good sound for the DVD release. I need to check it out!
I must confess that lately i´ve been skipping Queen´s live releases. I still prefer Sikke´s shared version of the Rainbow concert, than the official release.
But i will give it a listen in the near future.
[QUOTE] [b]Mr.QueenFan wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]Bad Seed wrote:[/b]
Although I'm no fan of the show itself, I think LAWS is the best sounding live release. Brian's guitar sound is awful and Freddie is obviously in poor voice but it has a wonderful clarity not found on any other release. [/QUOTE]
What is LAWS? I know the answer must be simple but i just couldn´t figure it out for myself :-)
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Live At Wembley Stadium, of course ! .[/QUOTE]
Brain fart on my part! Thanks for the answer.
[QUOTE] [b]The Real Wizard wrote:[/b]
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Live Magic is a close second. I do rather like the sound of the Knebworth tracks - everything pokes through.
By comparison, the "Knebworth mix" of Under Pressure from the Rah mix CD single sounds like crap. The loudness war was already in full vigour by 2000.
[/QUOTE]
Well, i always considered the Knebworth mix of Under Pressure to be the best live sound Queen released so far, and i consider myself very sensitive to shit sound. On a good stereo, it´s a beauty! It has a clarity of sound and instruments that i haven´t heard anywhere else on a Queen record! Is it loud? Certainly, but it gives me an idea of what was really like to be there! And the mix worked beautifully on "Under Pressure".
But it´s over 10 years sice i last heard it, so maybe it´s time for me to revisit it!
And in Queen´s case, their live songs in 1986 didn´t have that much dynamics extremes that can get lost in the loudness war. Due to the way they performed those songs, the studio dynamic was already lost. "In the Laps of the Gods" comes to mind. Great song, great dynamics in the studion, full power in the Magic tour.
So, even though i agree that the Loudness war destroys studio songs, in Queen´s case i prefer it over shit mixes like "Rock in Rio" VHS where Brian´s guitar and general sound is weak!
And i loved the sound of "Live in Budapest" VHS. But i confess, i´ve watched that concert so many times, i still haven´t watched the new version of it. But on the VHS, i remember the wall of sound that came out of the "A kind of Magic" song. Probably the best performance of this song on the Magic tour. I hope they kept the good sound for the DVD release. I need to check it out!
I must confess that lately i´ve been skipping Queen´s live releases. I still prefer Sikke´s shared version of the Rainbow concert, than the official release.
But i will give it a listen in the near future.
The Real Wizard
[QUOTE] [b]luthorn wrote:[/b]
I live in Canada now, so I can say from empirical evidence one day Canadians can be wild on fire, but the next day dull as fuck and you can never tell way. Maybe because Freddie did not speak French to them. Who knows.
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I can tell you from personal experience that speaking to a Quebec audience in French (even just a few words) makes all the difference in tearing down that wall. It is so important to them to be culturally validated.
I live in Canada now, so I can say from empirical evidence one day Canadians can be wild on fire, but the next day dull as fuck and you can never tell way. Maybe because Freddie did not speak French to them. Who knows.
[/QUOTE]
I can tell you from personal experience that speaking to a Quebec audience in French (even just a few words) makes all the difference in tearing down that wall. It is so important to them to be culturally validated.
The Real Wizard
[QUOTE] [b]Mr.QueenFan wrote:[/b]
Well, i always considered the Knebworth mix of Under Pressure to be the best live sound Queen released so far, and i consider myself very sensitive to shit sound. On a good stereo, it´s a beauty! It has a clarity of sound and instruments that i haven´t heard anywhere else on a Queen record! Is it loud? Certainly, but it gives me an idea of what was really like to be there! And the mix worked beautifully on "Under Pressure".[/QUOTE]
For me it's the fact that the snare drum sounds so unnatural. Live Magic is Roger's sound to a tee - it's untreated. But that 80s compression is used on the Rah version, almost to the point of sounding like Def Leppard. I just can't enjoy it when all I hear every two beats is digital work being done after the fact.
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I must confess that lately i´ve been skipping Queen´s live releases. I still prefer Sikke´s shared version of the Rainbow concert, than the official release.
[/QUOTE]
Well, that's silly, considering that stuff is 7 or 8 songs (and also full of vocal overdubs). Not to mention the nearly complete March 31 show. All essential stuff for sure. The March show is much less processed - a very enjoyable listen.
Well, i always considered the Knebworth mix of Under Pressure to be the best live sound Queen released so far, and i consider myself very sensitive to shit sound. On a good stereo, it´s a beauty! It has a clarity of sound and instruments that i haven´t heard anywhere else on a Queen record! Is it loud? Certainly, but it gives me an idea of what was really like to be there! And the mix worked beautifully on "Under Pressure".[/QUOTE]
For me it's the fact that the snare drum sounds so unnatural. Live Magic is Roger's sound to a tee - it's untreated. But that 80s compression is used on the Rah version, almost to the point of sounding like Def Leppard. I just can't enjoy it when all I hear every two beats is digital work being done after the fact.
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I must confess that lately i´ve been skipping Queen´s live releases. I still prefer Sikke´s shared version of the Rainbow concert, than the official release.
[/QUOTE]
Well, that's silly, considering that stuff is 7 or 8 songs (and also full of vocal overdubs). Not to mention the nearly complete March 31 show. All essential stuff for sure. The March show is much less processed - a very enjoyable listen.
Mr.QueenFan
[QUOTE] [b]The Real Wizard wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]Mr.QueenFan wrote:[/b]
I must confess that lately i´ve been skipping Queen´s live releases. I still prefer Sikke´s shared version of the Rainbow concert, than the official release.
[/QUOTE]
Well, that's silly, considering that stuff is 7 or 8 songs (and also full of vocal overdubs). Not to mention the nearly complete March 31 show. All essential stuff for sure. The March show is much less processed - a very enjoyable listen.
.[/QUOTE]
Maybe i didn´t explained it in the best way. The reason i still prefer Sikke´s version is exactly because it´s a small file :-)
I remember listening to this file on my mp3 when i was waiting for someone outside the doctor, and it was a charm. Time flew and i was satisfied. Nothing to do with it´s quality or overdubs. In fact i rarely listen to music in a very critical way on my mp3 player.
Lately, i just don´t have the patience to listen to Queen. In the nineties and 00´s there would be no way i would skip any release, but now? I must give it a rest for some time until i feel it again. That´s why i said i´ve been skipping Queen´s live releases. It´s not because of the sound, it´s just becasuse i´ve listened to the CD´s and VHS so many times that i don´t feel motivated to check the DVD versions anymore.
And that happened with the latest releases of Hammy and Rainbow too. Great as they are, i´ve already listen to it in bootleg format in very good quality, so i kind lost the motivation to watch it again anytime soon, even if the quality is better.
But with time, i will revisit it again!
[QUOTE] [b]Mr.QueenFan wrote:[/b]
I must confess that lately i´ve been skipping Queen´s live releases. I still prefer Sikke´s shared version of the Rainbow concert, than the official release.
[/QUOTE]
Well, that's silly, considering that stuff is 7 or 8 songs (and also full of vocal overdubs). Not to mention the nearly complete March 31 show. All essential stuff for sure. The March show is much less processed - a very enjoyable listen.
.[/QUOTE]
Maybe i didn´t explained it in the best way. The reason i still prefer Sikke´s version is exactly because it´s a small file :-)
I remember listening to this file on my mp3 when i was waiting for someone outside the doctor, and it was a charm. Time flew and i was satisfied. Nothing to do with it´s quality or overdubs. In fact i rarely listen to music in a very critical way on my mp3 player.
Lately, i just don´t have the patience to listen to Queen. In the nineties and 00´s there would be no way i would skip any release, but now? I must give it a rest for some time until i feel it again. That´s why i said i´ve been skipping Queen´s live releases. It´s not because of the sound, it´s just becasuse i´ve listened to the CD´s and VHS so many times that i don´t feel motivated to check the DVD versions anymore.
And that happened with the latest releases of Hammy and Rainbow too. Great as they are, i´ve already listen to it in bootleg format in very good quality, so i kind lost the motivation to watch it again anytime soon, even if the quality is better.
But with time, i will revisit it again!
Mr.QueenFan
[QUOTE] [b]luthorn wrote:[/b]
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Compared with Montreal '78 the audience sounds dull as fuck. Maybe because audience sound was removed. I do not know. But once Freddie tells the audience to move their asses a bit, or something like that, it seems to me he is frustrated with their lack of participation. It seems the band plays perfect, but their energy is low compared with Live at the Bowl, for example, for that reason.
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.[/QUOTE]
I don´t know if i´ve read it before - maybe from Brian(?) - but i´m starting to get the feel that something happened with the promotion of this concert that didn´t attracted the right audience to the gig. What happened there isn´t natural in any concert anywhere in the world.
I´m guessing that the audience didn´t knew the words to LOML because they weren´t Queen fans. I would love to know who promoted this show and how. Why were those people there instead of true, die-hard Queen fans.
There´s something about this concert that doesn´t click! It´s like those people were recruited extras to help them make a movie. Or maybe they were asked before the concert to be quiet and stil because they were filming it. Very strange behaviour!
(...)
Compared with Montreal '78 the audience sounds dull as fuck. Maybe because audience sound was removed. I do not know. But once Freddie tells the audience to move their asses a bit, or something like that, it seems to me he is frustrated with their lack of participation. It seems the band plays perfect, but their energy is low compared with Live at the Bowl, for example, for that reason.
(...)
.[/QUOTE]
I don´t know if i´ve read it before - maybe from Brian(?) - but i´m starting to get the feel that something happened with the promotion of this concert that didn´t attracted the right audience to the gig. What happened there isn´t natural in any concert anywhere in the world.
I´m guessing that the audience didn´t knew the words to LOML because they weren´t Queen fans. I would love to know who promoted this show and how. Why were those people there instead of true, die-hard Queen fans.
There´s something about this concert that doesn´t click! It´s like those people were recruited extras to help them make a movie. Or maybe they were asked before the concert to be quiet and stil because they were filming it. Very strange behaviour!
luthorn
[QUOTE] [b]The Real Wizard wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]luthorn wrote:[/b]
I live in Canada now, so I can say from empirical evidence one day Canadians can be wild on fire, but the next day dull as fuck and you can never tell way. Maybe because Freddie did not speak French to them. Who knows.
[/QUOTE]
I can tell you from personal experience that speaking to a Quebec audience in French (even just a few words) makes all the difference in tearing down that wall. It is so important to them to be culturally validated.
[/QUOTE]
Queen spoke in French to the audience in the '78 show, but that aside, the audience was a lot better than RM
[QUOTE] [b]luthorn wrote:[/b]
I live in Canada now, so I can say from empirical evidence one day Canadians can be wild on fire, but the next day dull as fuck and you can never tell way. Maybe because Freddie did not speak French to them. Who knows.
[/QUOTE]
I can tell you from personal experience that speaking to a Quebec audience in French (even just a few words) makes all the difference in tearing down that wall. It is so important to them to be culturally validated.
[/QUOTE]
Queen spoke in French to the audience in the '78 show, but that aside, the audience was a lot better than RM
luthorn
[QUOTE] [b]Mr.QueenFan wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]luthorn wrote:[/b]
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Compared with Montreal '78 the audience sounds dull as fuck. Maybe because audience sound was removed. I do not know. But once Freddie tells the audience to move their asses a bit, or something like that, it seems to me he is frustrated with their lack of participation. It seems the band plays perfect, but their energy is low compared with Live at the Bowl, for example, for that reason.
(...)
.[/QUOTE]
I don´t know if i´ve read it before - maybe from Brian(?) - but i´m starting to get the feel that something happened with the promotion of this concert that didn´t attracted the right audience to the gig. What happened there isn´t natural in any concert anywhere in the world.
I´m guessing that the audience didn´t knew the words to LOML because they weren´t Queen fans. I would love to know who promoted this show and how. Why were those people there instead of true, die-hard Queen fans.
There´s something about this concert that doesn´t click! It´s like those people were recruited extras to help them make a movie. Or maybe they were asked before the concert to be quiet and stil because they were filming it. Very strange behaviour!
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Some great points and questions, indeed. The first few rows by the stage are usually wild, at least I am when I go to shows. In this show, the front row looks like they are on sleeping pills.
[QUOTE] [b]luthorn wrote:[/b]
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Compared with Montreal '78 the audience sounds dull as fuck. Maybe because audience sound was removed. I do not know. But once Freddie tells the audience to move their asses a bit, or something like that, it seems to me he is frustrated with their lack of participation. It seems the band plays perfect, but their energy is low compared with Live at the Bowl, for example, for that reason.
(...)
.[/QUOTE]
I don´t know if i´ve read it before - maybe from Brian(?) - but i´m starting to get the feel that something happened with the promotion of this concert that didn´t attracted the right audience to the gig. What happened there isn´t natural in any concert anywhere in the world.
I´m guessing that the audience didn´t knew the words to LOML because they weren´t Queen fans. I would love to know who promoted this show and how. Why were those people there instead of true, die-hard Queen fans.
There´s something about this concert that doesn´t click! It´s like those people were recruited extras to help them make a movie. Or maybe they were asked before the concert to be quiet and stil because they were filming it. Very strange behaviour!
[/QUOTE]
Some great points and questions, indeed. The first few rows by the stage are usually wild, at least I am when I go to shows. In this show, the front row looks like they are on sleeping pills.
Biggus Dickus
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[b]Mr.QueenFan wrote: [/b] [QUOTE] [b]luthorn wrote:[/b]
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Compared with Montreal '78 the audience sounds dull as fuck. Maybe because audience sound was removed. I do not know. But once Freddie tells the audience to move their asses a bit, or something like that, it seems to me he is frustrated with their lack of participation. It seems the band plays perfect, but their energy is low compared with Live at the Bowl, for example, for that reason.
(...)
.[/QUOTE]
I don´t know if i´ve read it before - maybe from Brian(?) - but i´m starting to get the feel that something happened with the promotion of this concert that didn´t attracted the right audience to the gig. What happened there isn´t natural in any concert anywhere in the world.
I´m guessing that the audience didn´t knew the words to LOML because they weren´t Queen fans. I would love to know who promoted this show and how. Why were those people there instead of true, die-hard Queen fans.
There´s something about this concert that doesn´t click! It´s like those people were recruited extras to help them make a movie. Or maybe they were asked before the concert to be quiet and stil because they were filming it. Very strange behaviour!
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I think the crowd is with it pretty good during the first concert, according to the bootleg. There's no audience recording available from the 2nd night and I don't know how much of the RM footage came from the 2nd night.
[b]Mr.QueenFan wrote: [/b] [QUOTE] [b]luthorn wrote:[/b]
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Compared with Montreal '78 the audience sounds dull as fuck. Maybe because audience sound was removed. I do not know. But once Freddie tells the audience to move their asses a bit, or something like that, it seems to me he is frustrated with their lack of participation. It seems the band plays perfect, but their energy is low compared with Live at the Bowl, for example, for that reason.
(...)
.[/QUOTE]
I don´t know if i´ve read it before - maybe from Brian(?) - but i´m starting to get the feel that something happened with the promotion of this concert that didn´t attracted the right audience to the gig. What happened there isn´t natural in any concert anywhere in the world.
I´m guessing that the audience didn´t knew the words to LOML because they weren´t Queen fans. I would love to know who promoted this show and how. Why were those people there instead of true, die-hard Queen fans.
There´s something about this concert that doesn´t click! It´s like those people were recruited extras to help them make a movie. Or maybe they were asked before the concert to be quiet and stil because they were filming it. Very strange behaviour!
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I think the crowd is with it pretty good during the first concert, according to the bootleg. There's no audience recording available from the 2nd night and I don't know how much of the RM footage came from the 2nd night.
Nitroboy
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[b]Mr.QueenFan wrote:[/b] And i loved the sound of "Live in Budapest" VHS. But i confess, i´ve watched that concert so many times, i still haven´t watched the new version of it. But on the VHS, i remember the wall of sound that came out of the "A kind of Magic" song. Probably the best performance of this song on the Magic tour. [b]I hope they kept the good sound for the DVD release.[/b] I need to check it out!
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You will be very disappointed.
It's as if the energy was sucked out of the show for the 2012 mix
[b]Mr.QueenFan wrote:[/b] And i loved the sound of "Live in Budapest" VHS. But i confess, i´ve watched that concert so many times, i still haven´t watched the new version of it. But on the VHS, i remember the wall of sound that came out of the "A kind of Magic" song. Probably the best performance of this song on the Magic tour. [b]I hope they kept the good sound for the DVD release.[/b] I need to check it out!
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You will be very disappointed.
It's as if the energy was sucked out of the show for the 2012 mix