"Not even the band knew at first, and his family didn’t know."[/QUOTE]
Now ... how on earth did Dave know whether Fred had told the band and his family or not?
Unless Fred explicitly told him, 'hey, by the way, if anyone asks a quarter of a century for now, those three ol' farts don't know and neither do mum and dad. As for my lil' sis, haven't told her either,' there's no way David could've known whether the rest knew or not. Especially considering Fred didn't want to bring too much attention to it anyway. Far as it's been reported, his way of telling people was 'you know what's going on, let's not discuss it.'
Maybe they all knew but they didn't know the rest knew... telling someone something serious doesn't necessarily imply telling them who else knows and doesn't know.
Bohardy · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]Sebastian wrote:[/b]
Going back to the original post:
[QUOTE] [b]The Real Wizard wrote:[/b]
"Not even the band knew at first, and his family didn’t know."[/QUOTE]
Now ... how on earth did Dave know whether Fred had told the band and his family or not?
Unless Fred explicitly told him, 'hey, by the way, if anyone asks a quarter of a century for now, those three ol' farts don't know and neither do mum and dad. As for my lil' sis, haven't told her either,' there's no way David could've known whether the rest knew or not. Especially considering Fred didn't want to bring too much attention to it anyway. Far as it's been reported, his way of telling people was 'you know what's going on, let's not discuss it.'
Maybe they all knew but they didn't know the rest knew... telling someone something serious doesn't necessarily imply telling them who else knows and doesn't know.[/QUOTE]
Not that I have any opinions one way or the other, but it's entirely possible, and at least fairly plausible, that Fred could have said to Dave "I've not told the band or my family yet, so please keep this to yourself for the time-being. Only my closest friends know right now".
I can easily see why Fred would initially feel more comfortable telling just his close friends his awful news, and then later colleagues and family (that he was not especially close to, as far as we're aware).
Costa86 · Member since
LOL Sebastian
And you are absolutely right.
Sebastian · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]Bohardy wrote:[/b]
Not that I have any opinions one way or the other, but it's entirely possible, and at least fairly plausible, that Fred could have said to Dave "I've not told the band or my family yet, so please keep this to yourself for the time-being. Only my closest friends know right now".
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I'm no shrink and I never met Fred but it makes a lot more sense, considering what's been revealed, that he kept his outgoing comments to a bare minimum. The man who said 'you know what's happening, we won't mention it again' is more likely not to offer any additional information, let alone info involving other people. I'd assume that for any of these cases, especially if Dave was a close friend, 'keep this to yourself' is the default setting anyway.
And before anyone says 'oh, you think you know everything' and shite like that ... this is just a theory. I'm entitled to come up with a hypothesis based on the available info, as is anyone else.
splicksplack · Member since
For what it's worth, a company I was working for in the 80's were involved (in a minor way) with the artwork for The Miracle.
We were using the original pics that made up the composite 'head' on the cover.
Fred's pic looked healthy and a bit fat faced (and spotty!). I think that was spring/summer '88.
I'd imagine he could have kept the news from them without suspicion at that point
JomaDuckSoup · Member since
Not knowing Freddie - I just don't believe that he is the kind of putting his foot on the table. Or even showing his wounds when not even wanting people to talk about his illness.
Sebastian · Member since
People can behave uncharacteristically from time to time, and that might very well have been a reason for them to have remembered that incident, precisely because it was not like him to do that. Having said that, those stories often get blown up or enhanced or altered. We'll never ever know what happened exactly, unless there's some sort of footage (which makes a far more reliable witness than a human witness).
AlbaNo1 · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]mooghead wrote:[/b]
Can you imagine what it must be like being Dave Clark right now? Dining out on a song from nearly 50 years ago... poor fucker....[/QUOTE]
And dining out on knowing Freddie Mercury. It seems he was a good friend but this " I knew before the band" seems to emerge every couple of years
Sebastian · Member since
Maybe Fred's exact instructions were: 'I really don't want you to tell the band, but I'm fine with you flaunting that you knew before them.' Seems legit.
niall · Member since
LOL Dave Clark also has a different account of who was with Freddie (ie only Dave Clark) when Freddie died. Both Phoebe and Jim Hutton both tell the same story that they asked Clark to leave the room while they changed Freddie's pants. Clark has also been quoted as saying he went downstairs to tell Phoebe and Joe that Freddie had died and that he called Freddie's parents. I'm not inclined to believe Dave Clark. Jim Hutton expressed hurt at Clark's version of the story and said Clark sent him a card by way of apology saying, 'you [i]were [/i]there'.
Stelios · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]JomaDuckSoup wrote:[/b]
Not knowing Freddie - I just don't believe that he is the kind of putting his foot on the table. Or even showing his wounds when not even wanting people to talk about his illness.[/QUOTE]
No this one is actually true. Its on a documentary told by Brian. Well he didnt put his foot on the table but Brian made some remarks about having a cold and Freddie was like ...'you know what a real problem is and looks like?" and showed the scar.
Brian actually told that story to emphasise how sensitive Freddie was not to hurt or offened someone, because he (Brian) reacted with a look of horror to the scar and Freddie apologised for catching him off guard and upsetting him.
k-m · Member since
I have a recent Uncut magazine in front of me (2015 issue 11), it's entirely about Queen and features the following statements from Roger and Brian respectively, both discussing The Miracle album. RT: We knew by then that Freddie was ill. We weren't doing any live work after '86. We got to the end of the "Magic" tour and that was it. BM: Freddie knew he was in serious trouble. But he kept it to himself at first. He ended up telling us quite a long way into the recording sessions. He said: "You probably figured out what's going on. I don't want to talk about it. Let's carry on life as normal, and concentrate on the music." I suspect the only reason he told us was because it was beginning to show, physically.
Not knowing Freddie - I just don't believe that he is the kind of putting his foot on the table. Or even showing his wounds when not even wanting people to talk about his illness.[/QUOTE]
No this one is actually true. Its on a documentary told by Brian. Well he didnt put his foot on the table but Brian made some remarks about having a cold and Freddie was like ...'you know what a real problem is and looks like?" and showed the scar. Brian actually told that story to emphasise how sensitive Freddie was not to hurt or offened someone, because he (Brian) reacted with a look of horror to the scar and Freddie apologised for catching him off guard and upsetting him.[/QUOTE]
Also confirmed by Jim Hutton in his book.
Penetration_Guru · Member since
So we're treating Hutton's book as gospel now, are we? Times have changed.....
Nobody is a reliable witness at this point, so the truth is probably somewhere in between - which as Sebastian has already said is likely to be the second half of '88
Biggus Dickus · Member since
[QUOTE]
[b]Penetration_Guru wrote: [/b] So we're treating Hutton's book as gospel now, are we? Times have changed.....
Nobody is a reliable witness at this point, so the truth is probably somewhere in between - which as Sebastian has already said is likely to be the second half of '88[/QUOTE]
Did I describe it as gospel? Nope. I'm only saying the story has more validity if it has been confirmed by more than one source.
